Of course she’s on about slashing spending.
Yep, low taxes and low public services - the true tory way of I'm alright jack.
For example - you want healthcare, you had better get some health insurance
Recession will come and they will have to spend one way or another.
It will be like the pandemic where they say they have to do it. So I would disregard their electioneering pledges for now.
Eh? I saw a bus that said they'd be £350 a week saving from the EU that could be used for the NHS.
The Tory Party is diverse? Don't make me laugh the choice is between two candidates with PPE degrees from different Oxford Colleges (a form of diversity I suppose but no real diversity of life experience).
It will always struggle to be diverse socially. The tory party will typically attract a certain sort of person for MP. Anyone else who wants to be an MP for whatever reasons is unlikely to choose teh Tory party to stand for.
A mate just sent me this, his take on it: "it's amazing I love it and I want to die" which is a perfect somethingion of what our experience of a Liz Truss Prime Ministership will be.
This one is always worth revisiting. Just because there’s so much of it to look forward to over the next couple of years.
We can all have a good laugh while crying inside
https://twitter.com/mrmichaelspicer/status/1219553367422169089?s=21&t=HJk967A1wKQYsK28OkGSDw
I wonder how dirty it will get?
Thers a faction taht really dont want Dunak im- the Johnson cultists are livid with him
could see lots of leaks about his tax affairs etc
That said Truss 'allegedly' had Mark Fields kid when she was his SPAD & was on that spreadsheet of the Whips (Pincher & Elphicke were flagged there too)
https://twitter.com/Portesbleus/status/1550037048152788992
Thing is, if we as a country don’t want the Tories to choose such arse awful leaders, the only way to stop that happening, is to join the party.
This. Absolutely this. In Scotland it costs you a quid. Bring the party down from the inside.
So who do I vote for this time? Sunak seems vaguely competent, possibly too rich to be easily corruptible but is more likely to win the next GE. Truss is the joker, could be very entertaining and is less likely to win the next GE but will damage the country more in the meantime. Should I just draw a cock and balls on the voting paper?
I heard Truss on the radio this morning. She sounded like someone being interviewed for a job they probably weren't going to get. I couldn't listen.
I think the next phase of this contest is going to get very nasty
Unless Sunak & Truss come to an agreement, he can stay chancellor, she becomes PM?
https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/1550116093368225795?t=99Y1cnVoUmX8Iunkd2Zq-g&s=19
She sounded like someone being interviewed for a job they probably weren’t going to get. I couldn’t listen.
Thats the thing though Molls. In any sane country the idea of someone as dim and utterly devoid of ...well... anything! as her becoming PM is patently absurd. She should be nowhere near a junior ministerial job, let alone the PM. But this is Brexit Britain and her ascent to the throne has been all but inevitable for ages now. Just as sure as Borises was before her.
We really are an international laughing stock
Watching her as PM is going to be like watching a particularly excruciating episode of The Office. Theres going to be so many David Brent moments to laugh at before realising that its not actually funny because this malfunctioning 'speak-your-weight' machine really is the Prime Minister. You didn't dream it
Will Wragg...
My word
That's some list but this one's possibly the oddest!
Purely hypothetically: what would happen if the dirt about to be dished forces both of them out of the race?
Does the whole thing start again?
The idea of Mutually Assured Destruction through briefing tabloid gossip against each other is something that would be so fitting for this whole farce.
The shittest nuclear stand-off ever
I mean Rishi has some big financial skeletons especially if you look at his wife's business deals.
I'm not sure if truss is stupid, I think she's just not as Cunning as the rest of them and that shows as being slow to reply.
Either way it's making the case for passport controls at Gretna more likely
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I think she’s just not as Cunning as the rest of them and that shows as being slow to reply.
Not wishing to defend any of them. But some people just aren't loud, brash, quick thinkers. Doesn't mean they're thick, jus that they're more likely to consider the options available and make a decision rather than go on their gut. Or in Boris's case, just throw out some latin and say nothing. Someone who's good at PMQ's might well be the person you want if it comes to pressing the nuclear button. But it's not the person you want running the country the other 100% of the time.
I see that in the latest opinion poll the Labour lead over the Tories has surged to 4%
https://mobile.twitter.com/britainelects/status/1550073634752004097
But some people just aren’t loud, brash, quick thinkers.
Unfortunately that's not what she was saying on R4 this morning. She was saying she dives straight in, bulldozing the job. Sometimes weds to tell herself to stop and take a minute. The "bulldozing" the job worries me most.
Either way it’s making the case for passport controls at Gretna more likely
Save me a space on the A Ark would you?
he was saying she dives straight in, bulldozing the job. Sometimes weds to tell herself to stop and take a minute.
Great. A PM with ADD.
Crikey, these two candidates really lack leadership quality.
I think there should be a GE just for a bit of fun, how bad can it get?
I bet Max Headroom the Unicorn Rider Keir Starmer is rubbing his hands with glee simply by thinking of the prospect of winning the next GE, and to install himself as the next PM.
Either way it is Not a good time to be PM (all of them will not last while sanctions are on).
I've absolutely no idea why Leave voters are often accused of being racist bigots...
Not everyone who voted Leave is a racist, but all the racists voted Leave.
Edit: Trying to post an image of Farage's Breaking Point poster, but this rather quaint ancient forum won't let me do it. I'm sure someone else can do the honours.
Whilst it's fun to quote Will Self the reality is that many Tory politicians, for example, voted Remain. The idea that none of them could be described as racist is absurd
I've got no idea why anyone reasonable, without an agenda, would deny that there was a strong racist motivation behind Leave.
It is a commonly accepted fact for those of independent thought without an agenda to push.
Wasn't the quote Billy Bragg's to start with in any case?
Unfortunately that’s not what she was saying on R4 this morning.
IME there's a strange fetishization of "leaders" over "managers".
Which means we end up with leaders 50% of us don't like, badly managing the country.
I’ve got no idea why anyone reasonable, without an agenda, would deny that there was a strong racist motivation behind Leave.
You said all racists voted Leave. Most Tory MPs voted Remain, the idea that none of them could be described as racist is daft, especially as apparently most of the UK is racist.
Bigotry undoubtedly played a significant part in the referendum, it doesn't mean that you can place all racists in one camp and all non-racists in another. Plenty of EU supporters are racists and strongly support the EU's racist attitudes towards migrants and asylum seekers.
I’ve absolutely no idea why Leave voters are often accused of being racist bigots…
Because that is the only way to vent their anger by using "virtue signalling". Nahhh ... people are people and you will find all sorts on all sides.
Not everyone who voted Leave is a racist, but all the racists voted Leave.
That's quite a claim.
I’ve got no idea why anyone reasonable, without an agenda, would deny that there was a strong racist motivation behind Leave.
You just need to accept that the world is not perfect.
IME there’s a strange fetishization of “leaders” over “managers”.
Leaders lead. They don't necessary know how to manage.
Which means we end up with leaders 50% of us don’t like, badly managing the country.
Managers manage. They don't necessary know to lead.
Most people simply equate leaders as managers vice versa.
At the end of the day you either have someone who can lead or manage but you cannot have both. If you think they can change ... think again and think hard. Can you change?
Oh well, I must be mistaken.
No correlation at all between racism and Leave.
And bears don't shit in the woods either.
Oh well, I must be mistaken.
No correlation at all between racism and Leave.
And bears don’t shit in the woods either.
Nobody knows if you are mistaken or not.
You are the only person that know yourself while the others are irrelevant.
As long as you are happy with your own views that's good enough.
I think there should be a GE just for a bit of fun, how bad can it get?
In the words of the late James Bond.......
"If we don’t do this ... there’ll be nothing left to save." 😉
Purely hypothetically: what would happen if the dirt about to be dished forces both of them out of the race?
Does the whole thing start again?
I bet Boris is going through their bins right now
Tax cuts for who? Borrowing needs paid back – by who?
Everyone who is currently suffering from the increase in the cost of living. Income tax, VAT, fuel duty, all could be reduced to mitigate the increase in the cost of living. Who would make up the shortfall? Well, in a word, the rich. They should be paying a lot more tax towards the effort to control inflation. The economy needs to contract to rebalance supply and demand to bring down inflation, and the burden of that should fall on those who can afford it.
And as for borrowing, it doesn't need to be paid back (not in a real sense), because that would cause an even bigger recession that the one which is going to be caused by inflation. Borrowing is required to support public services while the economy contracts and will be needed to boost growth once inflation is under control.
Well, in a word, the rich. They should be paying a lot more tax towards the effort to control inflation
Which group are you describing as "the rich" ?
Assuming they are paying their taxes and not running some avoidance scam or directing their money offshore, then they are already paying more tax than the next person. Why should they have to foot the bill ?
Someone on £100k is paying £33k in tax
Someone on £30k is paying £6k
Both getting the same piss poor services. £30k person is already getting more bang for their buck if you want to look at it that way
The person earning £100k is also probably spending a lot more in the economy , thus paying more VAT and all the other taxes than the other.
Don’t worry folks. Andrea Leadsome is on channel 4 news saying she supports Instagram Liz’s tax cuts idea
So with revered, world-renowned economic minds like that endorsing it, we can all rest easy.
Assuming they are paying their taxes and not running some avoidance scam or directing their money offshore, then they are already paying more tax than the next person. Why should they have to foot the bill ?
Someone on £100k is paying £33k in tax
They're paying more tax because they earn a lot more.
And they take more resources. It's technical necessity to pay more tax at the high end. For a start it helps control inflation which keeps the worth of their money high.
Don’t worry folks. Andrea Leadsome is on channel 4 news saying she supports Instagram Liz’s tax cuts idea
Well we don't have the detail do we so it's tricky to know either way.
Some taxes need cutting and some will need to rise.
To balance the economy rather than the books.
Someone on £100k is paying £33k in tax
Someone on £30k is paying £6k
I’m talking about people who earn a lot more than 100k and have millions in untaxed assets. Even then though your example is ridiculous. People on 100k should pay a lot more tax than those on 30k, so the figures you quote (assuming they’re correct) are about the right balance. Or are you suggesting people on 100k need financial support from the govt? Good luck with that.
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Free MemberWell we don’t have the detail do we so it’s tricky to know either way.
The one that sticks out is where she's going to cut corporation taxes to tackle the cost of living crisis. Basically policy setting by randomised fridge magnet poem.
OTOH Sunak is getting right down to the important business of appealing to individual swing voters with his wind farm ban. Just in case anyone was feeling a bit agrieved about us getting a new PM with totally new policies and manifestos based on the vote of .29% of the population, now we're getting to the point where not even most of that .29% are very important- the ones that count, are the ones that have strong opinions on wind farms,or other easily targeted issues.
And they take more resources
Probably not, most wealthy people don't rely on the NHS, state education or social care for a start, and probably dont need social services in the same way either.
People on 100k should pay a lot more tax than those on 30k
And they do both as a percentage of income and obviously in absolute terms. The problem is people who earn this sort of money have seen their share of the tax burden rise and rise.
Good luck going after the properly wealthy, they have the resources to be one step ahead, doesn't mean they shouldn't pay more but it's not a short term answer.
And as for borrowing, it doesn’t need to be paid back
I think that's called stealing, idiotic thing to say. We could default but the implications of that are not good, if nothing else are the lines of credit you so like to rely on will disappear over night.
I’m talking about people who earn a lot more than 100k and have millions in untaxed assets.
Millions is just like a drop of water in the ocean.
I think you need a lot of billions, a lot more and ideally trillions.
It's the likes of the big multi nationals that irk me, Starbucks,amazon etc.
I'd have Rishi pegged at the start of this but now I'm not sure!
Probably not, most wealthy people don’t rely on the NHS, state education or social care for a start, and probably dont need social services in the same way either.
Any private UK Consultant will have a wealth of experience gained in, The NHS.
Their UK staff will come from a pool of labour educated by, public education.
On Social Services I grant they may not have a direct need.
The very rich are not separate from the rest of us and rely upon us for their comfortable way of life.