Why does the next stage take so long? Is it because the majority of those voting need to be written a letter telling them what’s going on, and that they need to send their voting preferences back by post?
No it's all the time travelling to go back to the 1950s to collate rather racy opinions of others and then collate the results back in 2022
I can confirm that she called Putin a prick and is fond of drawing funny pictures of a certain prophet.
It was always going to be Truss. Its all a part of the slow motion coup by the Britannia unchained / erg mob. They want a pliant dimwit in there. They thought Johnson was it
Can you remember when Spitting Image did the president's brain is missing on Reagan?
It does feel that picking a daft person is part of the plan these days.
Why does the next stage take so long? Is it because the majority of those voting need to be written a letter telling them what’s going on, and that they need to send their voting preferences back by post?
It's exactly that.
Ballots will be posted to members, and are due to arrive between 1 August and 5 August. The vote closes at 5pm on 2 September, with the winner announced on 5 September. They would most likely formally become prime minister a day afterwards.
I thought Gary Trudeau did Reaguns brain is missing in Doonesbury before spitting image
I have been trying for weeks to think who Liz Truss reminded me off (looks wise only)
It was always going to be Truss
And Johnson being replaced as Tory Leader was always going be an even worse disaster, despite all the misplaced celebrations.
Quite why so many people failed to understand who the most likely replacement would be, or worse not even care, I will never know. Unless of course they are enthusiastic thatcherite right-wingers.
No one can be sure of course what exactly a post-johnson Tory premiership will be like, but Truss for one has made her views clear on issues such as taxation and green/climate change.
64% of all voters support Johnson's net zero target as a policy priority, in contrast only 4% of Conservative Party members do. A sobering thought given the events of the last couple of days.
* Edited for greater accuracy.
64% of all voters support Johnson’s net zero target, in contrast only 4% of Conservative Party members do.
Oh, that's a pretty horribly grim statistic. Do you have a source for that?
Liz Truss Getting Lost Leaving A Room
barely concealed hilarity on the left of the room
Oh, that’s a pretty horribly grim statistic. Do you have a source for that?
Sorry that should have said "as a policy priority" I have edited it.
It still reflects the contrast of opinion between the British public and the Tory membership over the hugely important issue. It's probably safe to say that we know where Truss stands on the issue.
It matters not one jot who the figure head puppet is. Its the same folk pulling the strings. I view Truss as less dangerous than johnson anyway
They want a pliant dimwit in there.
Then they are truly spoilt for choice with the present lot
Oh, that’s a pretty horribly grim statistic. Do you have a source for that?
Almost every newspaper, about two or three days ago.
90% of party members will be dead by 2050. I read. Not sure how accurate. But basically, they don't care, because old and selfish.
Truss has zero positions firmly held. Remember she was a lib dem Republican remainer. She wants the prestige and money and will say and do whatever her puppet masters tell her to do
I view Truss as less dangerous than johnson anyway
Less dangerous in what way? Less likely to involve the UK in a war? Less likely to introduce austerity? Less likely to ignore the issues concerning climate change? Less likely to shift money and resources away from ordinary working people and in favour of the super rich? Can you explain?
Error there from the Sunak camp – if he’d got 10 of his supporters to jump ship and lend their votes to Mordaunt, he’d have changed the members vote contenter. He’ll lose against Truss.
He was losing solidly against both of them, according to Conservative Home polling.
Of the two of them, which is the most like to make a colossal gaffe or have some dirt ready to go? I would be very surprised if Sunak didn't 'lend' some votes to the Truss campaign.
Liz has already released a Twitter poster which proclaims she is ready to 'hit the ground' rather than 'hit the ground running'... 🙂
Less likely to do anything or go rogue. Remember she is just a puppet
Nor is she a cokehead with the mood swings we see in Johnson. Much of his behaviour is directly attributable to his coke use
Chapeau WCA!
Does Liz have a baby in the cupboard?
If she wins it's going to be a cabinet of all the dumbasses.
Truss' Triage of Talent.
I am wondering if Liz Truss is the Tory equivalent of Jeremy Corbyn? - one for the purists.
I am left of centre. I can see a remote eventuality in which I would vote for Sunak. However, I cannot even imagine how bad the Labour candidate would have to be to vote for Truss.
She is a little waspish for my taste.
I would never vote tory under any circumstance. All of them are vile
Pound shop trump, to 50p shop maggie.
No way will the tory faithful vote for a brown person
I am wondering if Liz Truss is the Tory equivalent of Jeremy Corbyn? – one for the purists.
I am left of centre. I can see a remote eventuality in which I would vote for Sunak. However, I cannot even imagine how bad the Labour candidate would have to be to vote for Truss.
And again that is the problem, with Truss labour won't offer a substantive alternative, just more of the same with more professionalism and a veneer of caring.
I am wondering if Liz Truss is the Tory equivalent of Jeremy Corbyn? – one for the purists.
which should make for an uncomfortable time for both parties, if their selection processes continue to throw up bizarre characters like Johnson Corbyn Milliband and Truss as leaders who are all as far removed in their own ways from regular normal people, It doesn't give much hope for the future.
And again that is the problem, with Truss labour won’t offer a substantive alternative, just more of the same with more professionalism and a veneer of caring.
Professionalism and competency rate very highly in what I would look for in a leader/party. If the country can move towards valuing those above celebrity, then that at least is a starting point.
Pound shop trump, to jumble sale maggie.
FTFY. Maybe. Not sure what's more cut price.
Wow
I really didn't think they'd be this daft
Maybe there's some hidden depth to Truss that she keeps hidden from the public
But I suspect that labour will be very pleased with PM Truss
No way will the tory faithful vote for a brown person
And yet Johnson's Cabinets have had a remarkable amount of brown faces, a far higher percentage than there are in the general population, and certainly far more than has ever been in a Labour Cabinet.
All of these brown MPs will have at some point been voted in as the Conservative parliamentry candidates by a local Conservative Association, presumably winning in most cases, if not all, against white prospective candidates. And then in many cases winning a parliamentary seat in a true blue Tory constituency.
The disadvantages of being black or Asian in the Tory Party is very much exaggerated imo. There was a time when it was claimed that women couldn't get anywhere in the Tory Party, that claim has long been dropped for obvious reasons.
I actually think that Sunak's role within Johnson's Cabinet has had more negative effect on his candidacy than the colour of his skin.
Despite his attempt in his resignation letter to distance himself he is seen more closely associated with "lockdown socialism" and "high taxation" than Truss. Although I have no doubt that it went against his instincts.
All of them are vile
It's comments like which I have no doubt have played a major contribution to people like mefty no longer posting on stw, and this place is all the poorer for it.
I don't consider all Tories to be vile, I consider all Tories to have had different upbringings and life experiences to me.
I have little doubt that had I had different parents, not ended up swinging a hammer on building sites to earn a crust, and instead been sent to Eton, gone on to Cambridge, and got called to the bar, that I wouldn't have ended being the lefty that I am.
I do consider all Tories to be wrong though, even if they might not necessarily be vile.
****ing hell. Truss is the next PM. Lol?
I don’t consider all Tories to be vile, I consider all Tories to have had different upbringings and life experiences to me.
This is my view too @ernielynch.
It's a poor choice, that I agree.
I do feel that Sunak has more intelligence and ability to bring people together than Truss, and for that reason I prefer him to be next leader and PM. I just hope those that surround him can bring him down to earth and connect with the real issues and people he needs to consider.
I won't hold my breath.
Well said Ernie.
Dismissing anyone who voted Tory, or indeed Leave, as vile/racist/selfish/bigoted or any other of the other lazy stereotypes that are used, rather than listening to the reasons why they did it, is one of the reasons politics is so polarised, and nut jobs like Truss can be in a position to be PM.
Of those two, I'm READY4RISH!
He was my second preference after Tom toucan, but he was never going to win. I suspect READY4RISH! would make a much better PM on almost every level. But I want the Tories to lose the next election so I'm hoping that PORK MARKETS is a total disaster for them. And I look forward to the unintended comedy gold.
vile/racist/selfish/bigoted or any other of the other lazy stereotypes that are used, rather than listening to the reasons why they did it
Only a tiny few people benefit from a tory govt. If you vote for them and you're not in this exclusive club then you may not be vile, but you're an idiot. If tory voters are not idiots then presumably they voted that way because they support or identify with the identity policies and general selfish entitled attitudes to life and other people that the tory party personifies. If that's the case I reckon those adjectives above might well apply.
Well said Ernie.
Dismissing anyone who voted Tory, or indeed Leave, as vile/racist/selfish/bigoted or any other of the other lazy stereotypes that are used, rather than listening to the reasons why they did it, is one of the reasons politics is so polarised, and nut jobs like Truss can be in a position to be PM.
Hear hear +1
Every time I open one of these politics threads it's brown this, gammon that, racist racist racist, everyone's a racist!
Professionalism and competency rate very highly in what I would look for in a leader/party. If the country can move towards valuing those above celebrity, then that at least is a starting point.
The government has been quite competent in implementing it's legislative agenda, despite the reality tv shitshow at it's helm. I really don't think a more competent and professional face could have done any more. I would hope though that a more competent and professional face leading the tories would force labour to offer a substantive alternative agenda, rather than just a man with neatly combed hair and polished shoes. I am afraid that Truss becoming PM also means just more of the same uninspiring empty rhetoric from labour.
Conservative voters are likely to be more diverse and open. The members i would be surprised if they were as tolerant. Yes some constituencies have selected non white mp's, but the vast majority haven't and we are left with such shining examples of baker, chope, bone, fabricant and i can't remember if drax is still an mp
So it's a straight race between:
Sunak - economically literate, knew how much Brexit would **** the economy, yet pushed for it anyway at the behest of his masters and to fast track his career and...
Truss - thick as two short planks who backed Brexit solely as a last chance shot at the big time, backing the electorate to be stupid enough to enable it and her.
Cynical and calculating versus barmy and thick.
Wonderful.
All of these brown MPs will have at some point been voted in as the Conservative parliamentry candidates by a local Conservative Association, presumably winning in most cases, if not all, against white prospective candidates. And then in many cases winning a parliamentary seat in a true blue Tory constituency.
I don't think that's how it works. It's not like in the US where there's a Primary election to select the candidate and then the main election. I think most candidates get picked by Tory HQ and then confirmed by the local Conservative Association.
If it's a safe Tory seat then it guarantees a decent level of diversity among your MPs. I'm sure Labour could do the same but as the Red Wall showed, are there any Labour seats left that are safe enough to do that?
But who knows, maybe all the racist Tory members quit after they found out they'd had a black MP foisted on them.
Guess we'll find out soon enough. I can't think of a single reason anyone would vote for Truss over Sunak except that they really really hate brown people.
Have we done Truss' tweet about "hitting the floor"?
It'll be a laugh a minute for the next 2 years I suppose.
If she lasts that long...
I’m just completely stumped that Truss made it to the last two, she’s a complete liability that has very little credibility in the uk, let alone around the world.
There’s a 50/50 chance that we could end up with the one politician in the Tory ranks who makes Boris look like a highly competent and professional PM 😳
As for Rishi, he is about as vanilla as they come for a Tory candidate, the worry is how much he has to give up in favours if made PM.
Sunak – economically literate, knew how much Brexit would **** the economy, yet pushed for it anyway at the behest of his masters and to fast track his career and…
That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. The Tory Party's official position was to back Remain in the Referendum, and most Tory MPs did.
Who are you suggesting that Sunak's "masters" are - some sort of shadowy conspiracy organisation that controls him? And since most of the Tory leadership backed Remain how did he come to the conclusion that it would "fast track" his career?
And Truss didn't back Leave btw - in fact far from it:
So I don't know what you mean by the comment : "backing the electorate to be stupid enough to enable it"
I can’t think of a single reason anyone would vote for Truss over Sunak except that they really really hate brown people.
Well I gave you one but you obviously don't agree.
A week ago Badenoch, who is definitely more brown than Truss, was more popular with Tory Party members than Truss.
And Sunak was no less popular with Party members than Truss.
Truss will have picked up Badenoch supporters since then.
I know people are in denial but the current leadership struggle within the Tory Party is between left and right. Or to be more precise between right and hard right.
The idiots who voted for the fantasy economics of Brexit are now going to vote for Liz’s fantasy tax cuts.
Reality doesn’t figure very significantly with these people, does it?
At some point the nation is going to have to reluctantly re engage with the real world though.
Can’t see it happening any time soon. A nation of stroppy overgrown spoilt toddlers is once again getting the leader it deserves
Having seen the huge harm done to people deliberatly by the Tory party i stand by it.
I will never see tories as anything other than vile.
To deliberatly cause massive harm to the old the vulnerable and the disabled what other adjective suits? The sheer vindictive nature of the deliberate harm to people is vile.
Sadistic? Evil? What other adjective suits
Their education etc is no excuse. They know they deliberatly inflict harm
Both julie and i dedicated our lives to trying to mitigste the harm that has been done by the tories.
Of course it colours my views