The blue rinse brigade will flippin’ love that stuff.
Honestly I don't think they do. Most of the elderly folks now are Boomers, even the Conservative voting ones their battles in the 60's were all about counter-culture and social equality. Most are bemused by attacks on cultural issues that have been settled for decades now. They're looking at a £3500 energy bill and 10% inflation pushing the price of everything through the roof, and wondering why the Tories are obsessing over toilets or what's being (not) taught in University English classes.
My Mum sent me a picture of security tagged cheese in her local supermarket the other day, and essentially blamed the Tories for it, given that she's a life long Tory voter who lives in the SE, that should be a flashing warning.
Dacre wants his knighthood.
I think he's angling for a peerage
The erg loons are all getting behind Truss as the stop Mordaunt candidte and they hope she will beat sunak with tne membership. They want someone pliant as PM and Brexity and anti woke
My Tory relatives want the most brexity most anti woke most right wing candidate
Most of the elderly folks now are Boomers, even the Conservative voting ones their battles in the 60’s were all about counter-culture and social equality
Yeah, erm, not sure I agree, not everybody in their teens or twenties during the 60s wanted counter culture and social equality.
Assuming Morduant gets it
She'd expect a decent bounce in the polls as she's quite well distanced from Johnson administration
The braindead loons seem to think that Mordaunt is somewhat of a trojan horse who is portraying herself as a fellow loon in order to secure the job.
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Free MemberBit odd to have TV debate just to allow the 200,000 Tory party members to make their decision. Not like anyone else has any choice to make.
Especially when you consider all the arguing about who could be on the election debates last time.
But imo it's a good opportunity for the public to see them all being shite. If it were all done quietly we'd miss out on the backstabbing, the random lies, and above all on Liz Truss just staring into space and saying delivering delivering delivering
It's going to be fun to watch though, see who drops a clanger or is just terrible in front of the cameras answering stuff honestly.
I don’t think I’ve spoken with any one left or right who cares about [woke].
Lucky you. It’s definitely a thing my (fully paid up DM-reading) MIL worries about.
My parents are the same, even after I'd explained to them what WOKE was! Theyre not typical though, know plenty of older people who think it's all fine and just the next generation making their mark.
When is the TV debate?
Liz Truss just staring into space and saying delivering delivering
delivering
FTFY, and no commas needed.
When is the TV debate?
What i really don't get, or completely fail to grasp is the fanboi 'liggers'
Oh, its 30c and im melting in this suit, but hey. I wamt to jam myself in a small office with 100 or so other randoms and cheers on Richi Sunak or whoever.
Do they really believe by this show of love for Riscki they will be appointed home secretary or curried favor when the next cabinet re shuffle is announced?
If that's the way it works, pin the colours to the mast, cheer and clap like those wallys on top of the pops (its leo sayer, you know he's abit shit but clap alot please) and get a pay rise amd promotion for rocking up to a press junket then there is no wonder we are in abit of a pickle.
This affair really needs to be conducted in a game-show / talent show format
Just so long as it's not THIS format! 😲
Although the way things are going with how desperate each candidate is to impress, I wouldn't actually write it off entirely. At some point one of the women is going to undress to show that she's a real woman and not trans or something. It really is that poor taste...
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The Conservative Leadership Debate will air from 7pm to 9.30pm
Two and a half bleedin hours???
How long can they spend talking about tax cuts ffs?
Although I guess on the plus side it gives them plenty of time to spend slagging each other off which obviously has considerable entertainment value.
Looking forward to it.
I follow the imaginatively named local paper "The News" in Portsmouth as my parents live there.
They posted this interview with Penny Mordaunt's constituents earlier today. It's full of face palms moments...
Afraid it's on face book.
Lucky you. It’s definitely a thing my (fully paid up DM-reading) MIL worries about.
Yeah... 'Woke' is the new 'Health and Safety Gone Mad' e.g. you can take one extreme example and use it to define/bash an entire concept, so for H&S people might dismiss sensible stuff like 'taking precautions to prevent people being squashed under earthmovers' because someone suggested something daft like 'remove all scissors from offices' or something.
Similarly Piers Morgan (all you need to know really) coined the idea of 'woke' based (I think) on some New Zealand University that debated the idea of 'safe rooms' for students, and it has subsequently been used to basically smear the entire concept of young people thinking for themselves and not just accepting a status quo handed down to them by wealthy white privileged males (Piers Morgan again). Ultimately it's an amazingly effective tool as it defines everything the Tory membership distrusts e.g. youth, progress, not kow-towing to racist pensioners any more, etc. etc. 😂
It’s full of face palms moments…
Why? Because normal people don't care, don't know or don't want to know so long as they are happy as they are with themselves etc?
Remember normal people Do Not glue themselves to politicians or policy whatever.
Assuming Morduant gets it
she's going to the Tory old boys Thatcher v2 pin up gal that they spaff over
Liz Truss just staring into space and saying delivering delivering delivering
Is that a la Hannibal Lecter?
The more I hear about that Woke, and piece together what it means from reading between the lines of the foaming swivel-eyed loons, the more I think it's for me.
LOL! Reducing cost of living! (<- that's from Liz Truss) Ya, I want to see which govt in this world can achieve that at the moment. Consider themselves lucky they are heading in the direction of Sri Lanka.
I like Kemi Badenoch as I think she can do the PM job but I have a feeling it is not her time yet (need more experience).
I think Kemi Badenoch should be PM/deputy PM or at least give her more experience to prove herself. (Yes, she is young hence more experience needed especially the role of PM)
Penny Mordaunt is still the favourite, IMO, but she needs to be strong.
I think the Tories have already accepted they will loose the next election, its absolutely in their interest to chuck this whole shit show over the fence to Labour.
This economy needs a radical overhaul, no one had the bollocks to do it including Labour. The level of long term investment required dwarfs Covid and the Tories dont want a well paid, educated electorate. Labour need to become very radical/very quickly if they get into power... this will involves billons into education, housing infrastructure, renewables etc. However we have a problem which no one ever talks about... we dont have enough two legged assets... to grow an economy you need resource including humans... contrary to all the right wing brexit bollocks we need skilled immigration and those people need a long term future here not as migrant/visa workers.
I think the Tories have already accepted they will loose the next election, its absolutely in their interest to chuck this whole shit show over the fence to Labour.
Labour will just be as bad especially if they start banging on reducing cost of living, a unicorn dream, and green credential (carbon emission etc). Generally speaking Labour is only good when the world economy is doing well and there is some sense of world economy stability, but given that the current world economy is rather challenging I doubt having a Labour govt can do better if not worst.
Labour need to become very radical/very quickly if they get into power…
LOL! Radical? I seriously doubt they can think out of the box especially with their current leader.
we dont have enough two legged assets… to grow an economy you need resource including humans…
You have enough, more than enough, but a Labour govt just chain them harder to prevent them from flourishing.
contrary to all the right wing brexit bollocks we need skilled immigration and those people need a long term future here not as migrant/visa workers.
Yes we do but even now when that is very obvious to some the average voters will still be whining about too many immigrants
Yes we do but even now when that is very obvious to some the average voters will still be whining about too many immigrants
Essentially, you are implying or saying average voters have no talent? Is that the view of Labour supporters or Labour party?
If Kemi is so anti-woke what was she doing at the equalities ministry? As she’s for small government she’ll want to get rid of it?
This economy needs a radical overhaul, no one had the bollocks to do it including Labour. The level of long term investment required dwarfs Covid and the Tories dont want a well paid, educated electorate. Labour need to become very radical/very quickly if they get into power… this will involves billons into education, housing infrastructure, renewables etc. However we have a problem which no one ever talks about… we dont have enough two legged assets… to grow an economy you need resource including humans… contrary to all the right wing brexit bollocks we need skilled immigration and those people need a long term future here not as migrant/visa workers.
Yep, agree with all of this. I don't think any of it is remotely feasible in a 21st century democracy, would require many unpopular choices that would be guaranteed vote losers, anything that requires tax/investment or that doesn't see spectacular returns within 4 years will be doomed to fail. You could argue 'why Brexit' in that instance but it was easy to lie about the positives of Brexit whereas the right wing media have all the ammunition they already need against any sort of progressive measures involving higher taxes (commies!) more houses (house prices falling!) green energy (you'll run out of battery and freeze to death on the motorway!) immigration (immigants!) education (wokesters!) etc. etc. etc. Would require an incredibly charismatic leader and some sort of seismic shift in the electorate and media.
Frankly given how little (in the grand scheme of things) someone like Obama with a bit of charisma and the popular vote achieved, we're screwed.
Essentially, you are implying or saying average voters have no talent? Is that the view of Labour supporters or Labour party?
I am saying we need more people to do the jobs that need to be done. The average voters, and you by the look of it, don't understand that and still see immigration as a bad thing rather than as a critically required thing.
As for your second line of nonsense, you had better ask them as I am a Green supporter.
Piers Morgan (all you need to know really) coined the idea of ‘woke’
You're giving that useless **** far too much credit here. It's a term that was used by (American) black people for decades, usually with reference to avoiding racism and state-enabled violence. Here's Erykah Badu using it in a tweet from 10 years ago -
https://twitter.com/fatbellybella/status/233215131876724736
Yes, Woke is a good thing to be (unless you are racist or don't care about being socially aware). It has been twisted into somehow being a negative thing.
If they accept that they will lose the next GE, then they head their worst leader to be next PM then, so the better one can lead the party after they lose?
They posted this interview with Penny Mordaunt’s constituents earlier today. It’s full of face palms moments…
Yvonne was brilliant lol
If Kemi is so anti-woke what was she doing at the equalities ministry? As she’s for small government she’ll want to get rid of it?
You've answered your own question there. It's not unusual for a government (usually Tory) to appointment a minister who hates their own brief, because the government hates that brief too. For example putting a climate change denier in charge of the environment, that sort of thing
I agree we are screwed... at least for the next 25 years... i doubt i will see a positive change in my lifetime.
I think the Tories have already accepted they will loose the next election,
I don't think that's the case at all. They'll be looking at the polls, trying to work out how they aren't further behind in the polls, then look at who they are up against and breathe a sigh of relief.
You’re giving that useless **** far too much credit here. It’s a term that was used by (American) black people for decades, usually with reference to avoiding racism and state-enabled violence. Here’s Erykah Badu using it in a tweet from 10 years ago –
Yeah, I realised this almost immediately after I posted as I went searching for the very article I thought I'd read about Piers Morgan. He might have coined (or re-invigorated) the use of the word 'snowflake' rather than 'woke' perhaps.
I do like the various definitions of 'woke' that appear on Google, all very succinct and very hard to argue as a bad thing in any (reasonable) light!
"aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)"
They’ll be looking at the polls, trying to work out how they aren’t further behind in the polls, then look at who they are up against and breathe a sigh of relief.
Yup. A Techne poll out today gives Labour a 9% lead, that's down from Labour's 12% lead last Friday.
So the Tories are clawing back support despite no one knowing who the Tory leader will be in a few weeks times.
It is perfectly reasonable for the Tories to assume that once they have a new leader the Labour poll lead could very likely disappear.
After all Labour's lead has always been based on the unpopularity of the Tories rather than the popularity of Labour.
A new leader could change that for the Tories unless Labour starts convincing voters that it is policies that is the issue not who leads the Tories. Without offering any significantly different policies Labour are going to struggle with that. Although let's be fair Labour aren't really offering any policies at all. Their entire strategy has been based on attacking Johnson's integrity.
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That why we need an independent Scotland
Folk will follow that path hete
Labours issue is that Blair turned them into a party obsessed with following the public mood via focus groups. The idea of leading the public got thrown out.
Bevan and co led the public mood. This lot follow it and leave leadership to the right wing tory press
Even Wilson led the public mood
Ultimately it’s an amazingly effective tool
Of course it is. It's exactly the same tool that screaming "project fear!" was during the brexit discussions, It's the manipulative empowering the cretins.
It seeks to ridicule an opponent without requiring a shred of further argument or evidence and it's effective because it's simply too ****ing braindead to argue against. Who knew that History Today would prove to be so prescient.
After all Labour’s lead has always been based on the unpopularity of the Tories rather than the popularity of Labour.
I think they looked at what happened in the US and thought not being Boris was going to be enough. Biden didn't offer the electorate anything but being "not Trump". Now it is just business as usual, corporate welfare while working people struggle, Bidens approval rating is a historic low and the 15 million people who hadn't voted in previous elections have already been lost.
The tories and reps really don't need to make such efforts to steal elections, when labour and the dems are willing to cast aside millions of voters to appease the corporate paymasters. The disenfranchised are massively outweigh the numbers of mythical swing voters, but earning those votes requires upsetting the status quo.