[Closed] So what's the plan?

Let's just see what the Brexit folks come up with? You wished for it - got it - now fix it

By undercutting the Asian nations on cheap labour.

Except we can't, as our workers are protected by various European directives. Oh, hang on...

sod the trading, manufacturing (yes there is some), there's a shed load of domestic carnage to fix first.

That's not a plan it's a strap line

Domestic carnage don't pay the bills

Colournoise you have just cut off your cheap labour and no one in the UK wants to labour for minimum wage

Plan I need a plan not bollocks - I run a business that pays wages, anyone got a plan?

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Oh * there is no plan? Just **** rhetoric- and that does not pay your mortgage - once again can I have a plan please? Is there anybody out there?

Come on colournoise whats the plan - serious question

Is there anybody out there?

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I run a business that pays wages, anyone got a plan?

If you haven't had a contingency plan for a likely outcome of the referendum, I do wonder...

I have a plan
1. Don't take additional staff on
2. Sweat the asset

What I want is the grand plan?

Basically no one in the Brexit camp from Boris down to Joe blogs has a Scrooby what to do? Anyone want to challenge that

It's not looking good oldmanmtb.

I think everyone's left.

I'm going to pop out to see if I can find anyone.

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I might be a while.

i don't accept the result.

Well thank **** for that.

Where are you seosamh........in Scotland ?

yip.

Jesus talk about being sold a dummy, anyone got a plan? Other than retrenchment? So 51% of the population has voted for no plan? Come on Brexiteers what's the plan?

you seem a tad upset ernie, should you not be jumping for joy today?

"Looks like moral needs a boost No 1"

The silence is deafening.....

Sorry my mistake let's chuck a YouTube video at it that will sort it, still want a grand plan?

Sorry my mistake let's chuck a YouTube video at it that will sort it, still want a grand plan?

Soz 🙁

Wrote a page or so then gave up as really couldn't be arsed.
Basically said do what's best for yourself, family and business, as will the vast majority of people in the UK.
There will be huge opportunities as well as downsides to this decision, winners and losers as always.
Grand Plans (5 Year Plans? ) never work, and in the UK it's the sum of the parts is greater than the whole IMO. What I mean is the direction etc of the country is more influenced by the small, growing and mature businesses, and general population, than the preening tw*ts in Westminster or Brussels

PS If you can be arsed to write a plan as if we had remained, I will do one for brexit
( As an aside I voted remain)

first they came for the spd's, I had none
Then they came for the flats, they had rust
Then they came for me, I gave them your address

you'll be ok, the van looked comfy.

I got a free biscuit today, because they felt sorry for me being English and all.

We will end up in a Norway type situation, but without the large oil industry to small population ratio and massive sovereign fund. None of the issues brexit people have been talking about will "improve" we will now have zero say in any decisions, politicians will be even more at the will of the papers and our economy will be smaller. Even Boris and co are not stupid enough to pull up the draw bridge as many want.

Brexit. An victory for for opinion over evidence.

There will be huge opportunities as well as downsides to this decision,

Go on then, list them. I strongly suspect the second column will be substantially longer than the first.

As someone else said on another thread: this lovely fluffy idea of an English/Welsh powerhouse at some indeterminate point down the line is great, but surely the people who wished for it have some idea of how they plan to take us there?

Incomes fall, tax revenues fall, more turn to crime and steal from the rich old folk who voted for brexit.
House prices fall but interest rates are so high no one can afford the repayments.
On the upside public health improves as we can no longer live on a diet of Tesco wine and cadbury giant buttons and our kids have to turn the computers off and get a job.
Men and women become more attracive and lots of shagging happens(cos three's fa else to do).

Eventually a leader comes along who can unite the country, all the old baby boomers are dead, public serices across Europe are all run by Serco so theres a new EU wide referendum to create one state which is agreed.

However a scientific discovery reveals we are all actually participants in an advanced game of Sims (Milky way Edition) played by a teenager on the planet Drog and about to be ugraded with the new intergalactic war update.

After centuries of fighting Uranus we agee peace terms and form a union.

Shortly afterwards the teenager on Drog gets a job and turns off Sims.

The plan is something like.. Every man for himself!
I'm going to ride my bike now and I expect some good plans when I get back....

We do what the swiss do.
Specialise in niche manufacturing that we do well.
JCB will serve as an example
Land Rover products
Rolls Royce cars
Jet engines
Military stuff like rockets (BAE)
Space bits and bobs
plane parts
Banking

We will be screwed over by Europe, we have to be. If we arent then all the remaining member states will realise the 'levy' for being 'In' does you no good so the whole shooting match would disintergrate

What the UK has to do is try to get acceptable trading tariffs with the whole world. We hear of red tape from Brussels strangling industry, so maybe now we can breathe properly industry might do a little better.

No knee jerk reactions, realise the money markets movements are paper losses and manipulted by market traders in the city .

Everyone will still go to work on monday morning , not alot is going to change for a year , so you have one year to get off your backside and see this as an opportunity , not a woe is me exercise.

On the bright side all the outers who complained about the foreigners stealing 'our jobs' will presumably now find gainful employment picking crops....(other manual low paid jobs are available)....

We do what the swiss do.

Specialise in niche manufacturing that we do well.

JCB will serve as an example

Good, we can make tractors like the soviets did

Land Rover products

Owned by India, may well decide being in Europe is better than being out

Rolls Royce cars

Owned by ze Germans, who may decide keeping manufacturing within the EU is easier

Jet engines

Good to a point, but we threw away our world beating status in the aviation industry about the same point in time as Brexit campaigners think we can go back to

Military stuff like rockets (BAE)

Excellent. Just what the world needs. More bombs.

Space bits and bobs

Bits and bobs won't build you an economy

plane parts

Mostly Airbus, who are mooting the idea of leaving

Banking

...only works well when you're not in the middle of a huge, self-inflicted recession

And with the exception of banking, we need to import raw materials and energy for all those industries to operate. Those raw materials and energy are now 10% more expensive.

Banking - also relies heavily on being part of the single market to make an international banking proposition attractive. Hence the big investment banks looking to move thousands of jobs out of London.

Well at least all that pesky red tape and those silly EU laws that gave us access to the single market will soon be consigned to history.

Jesus what were people thinking?!

We hear of red tape from Brussels strangling industry, so maybe now we can breathe properly industry might do a little better.

99% of which will stay the same. The eu has been a scape goat for business that moan about regulations, business always moan about regulations but still has done very well in the uk while part of the uk. If you beilve that these eu regulations have significantly held us back especially compared to what we gained you are flying in the face of the evidence of the growth we have experienced.

Now we have to renegotiate trade deals from a weaker position as we will not be part of the eu, so will get a worse deal.

We do what the swiss do.

[i]Become eye-wateringly expensive to live in?[/i] Spoke to a Swiss guy a couple of years back at the airport about how tough it was living over there and how most of their workforce at the time was commuting from the EU - tell me do they pay to play still?

Specialise in niche manufacturing that we do well.

[i]By its very nature, 'niche' means small[/i] Orange & Hope to save the day - I think I've seen under 20 orange bikes outside when I have been in Oz don't think it's going to cut it

JCB will serve as an example

Banking will be on the way out, what are the advantages of being in the UK now?

Anyway all serious answers back of a postcard to
Borris
Number 9
Downing St

Just watched a C4 piece from Barnsley about why people voted out. ****ing depressing attitude.

So all you English, Welsh and other worldly citizens, come and live North of the Border, you'll like IrnBru and Lee's Snowballs soon enough. Our language and use of it may seem strange at first but you'll get the hang of it eventually, but probably not the rain. Perhaps we could do a swap with the bigots and nobheads that do live here and corral them all in Barnsley. That'll likely be the majority of Rangers fans and some from the other teams.

Maybe our political elite should have had this open discussion prior to the vote. The truth (more of this will arrive over the next 2 years) is we don't have any plan other than hoping financial services (primarily London) keep us out of the real shit. Putting aside the differences from both camps the reality is that those who voted (typically older/poorly educated) are not the ones in general who create wealth or jobs and when this turns nasty as our tax receipts decrease and our ability to borrow cheap money disappear it will be those people who will bear the brunt of services and income cuts in simple terms the benefits (pensioners unemployed low income) have voted themselves into poverty. I am fortunate and my family will probably prosper on the back of this but we have a bigger cultural problem as pointed out as "who is going to pick the fruit" we are simply not a nation of grafters anymore we are fat, idle and hand fed benefits which people believes they have a right to a house and free money.

Boris plan - is probably to be a Kingmaker then sit back and not get involved in any nitty gritty.
Mr Gove plan to be Boris's King
IDS plan - I dread to think probably be the next Blair
Theresa May plan - resist the temptation to be Maggie Thatcher 2 (without North Sea Oil)
Labour party plan - talk bollocks until sacked from job

This is as far as anyone in the leave camp has thought.

I thought this was the plan so far

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In response to much earlier post - we really can not compete with emerging nations on labour costs, paying £1 hour - nonsense.

What we are most competitive on is cheap capital, efficient production, very good labour relations and excellent R&D. So for specialist high end stuff we are still well placed.

But think about, eg car manufacturing. Car plants set up in UK to build for European market because of our ability to provide quality labour (with low risk of industrial unrest) good infrastructure and low capital costs - but only enough to be competitive in zero tariff Europe. If the barriers with Europe go up the car industry will go... Other manufacturing is similar

I saw interviews from Barnsley too, Hartlepool, Durham etc but it isn't just North of England, it was pretty much everywhere outside London, Scotland, NI and a few big urban area (I live in Leeds, marginally in). Either immigration or a non-profit protest vote against Cameron/elites/the south we no thought of the consequences. I'm all for protest voting, but this really was not the election to do it.

But we do live in a democracy, and as much as I hate and worry about the result, we must push for the Government to make the best from the situtation. If we can get some sort of free trade deal with EU we may not be screwed, but the costs may be even higher than membership. The reason we will not get a free ride on the EU single market is because of the social costs (workers rights) etc of membership - they are not going to let us leave, worsen our employment rights and undercut their market in a way they cannot match

People voted to leave for the wrong reasons, a lot seem not even connected to Europe.

Maybe for a good PR boost we can give the troops down here a break
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