As much as many people hate to recognise or admit it... Advertising is a cornerstone of our world 'system'. Even if we return to using those lovely little corner shops, the local butchers and the baker delivering bread after the ringtons tea man has been around with his wicker basket full of biscuits and tea bags (childhood memory) advertising will still be present because we rely on growth and selling things in large quantities to people.
Just enjoy the world for what it is you miserable sods.
It's quite well done.
I don't think advertising/consumerism and producing nice work need be mutally exclusive. 2 minutes in John Lewis normally has me on the verge of going postal and the Christmas consumer rush normally just saddens/annoys me but if something's well done, it's well done.
No you're right it doesn't need to be mutually exclusive but the fact is that for many creative and talented people, it's a career not a gamble. This world is full of people who want everything for free, and if you're making beautiful videos on your own people will enjoy them but no one will give you a penny unless samuel l jackson stumbles upon your video on his ipad and you're roped in to make his next film. It's the lesser of two evils and let's just enjoy the fact we live in a world where we can have great adverts that can serve the purpose of furthering economies (often abused, I know - but lets ignore that for now) and be enjoyable too?
I won't even bother using my account.
As much as many people hate to recognise or admit it... Advertising is a cornerstone of our world 'system'. Even if we return to using those lovely little corner shops, the local butchers and the baker delivering bread after the ringtons tea man has been around with his wicker basket full of biscuits and tea bags (childhood memory) advertising will still be present because we rely on growth and selling things in large quantities to people.Just enjoy the world for what it is you miserable sods.
Welcome [back] to the forum.
It's an advert.
For a shop.
It cost 6 million quid.
Weep at its beauty if you want, but it was made with the express purpose of making you buy stuff.
It's not art, there is no soul there, there is no deeper meaning. The world is not made a better place by the existence of this.
It's made to make you buy stuff.
If that makes me an angry misanthrope 'I'm loving it'. 😉
It cost 6 million quid.
Just think what you could get for that...
Now that's art.
...and look at inflation; in those days it cost 6 million quid to rebuild a man, now you get an advert...
Welcome [back] to the forum.
Yep. I wonder who it is......
...and look at inflation; in those days it cost 6 million quid to rebuild a man, now you get an advert...
Yeah, but would you get grown women crying at a bionic man?
Actually, that's probably for the best. Electronics and salt water don't mix.
The adjusted figure, using the Bureau of Labor Statistics is actually 31 million dollars.
That's 5 John Lewis ads...
$31m. That's a spicy meatball...
It's not art, there is no soul there, there is no deeper meaning. The world is not made a better place by the existence of this.
It's not art, but as difficult as it may be to see, there is a deeper meaning. Whether this makes the world a better place is entirely subjective - Unless I missed the memo you dont speak on the behalf of the entire world.
It will make the world a better place for a few in a small way. Then again, there is an element of art or 'craft' because you couldn't make this advert. It was made by highly skilled videographers, designers, make up artists, special effects artists, musicians who are all artists in their own right. It's just the same as looking at a beautiful old chair, you would probably say it isn't art, but I would say it can be. Because we have to appreciate the fact it was made by someone with a stunning skill set and a creative outlook, and that that dedication and that craft makes it art if you want it to be.
Weep at its beauty if you want, but it was made with the express purpose of making you buy stuff.
You are Sherlock Holmes and I claim my 5 shillings.
[i]It will make the world a better place for a few in a small way. Then again, there is an element of art or 'craft' because you couldn't make this advert. It was made by highly skilled videographers, designers, make up artists, special effects artists, musicians who are all artists in their own right. It's just the same as looking at a beautiful old chair, you would probably say it isn't art, but I would say it can be. Because we have to appreciate the fact it was made by someone with a stunning skill set and a creative outlook, and that that dedication and that craft makes it art if you want it to be.[/i]
It's a shop advert, 'new' boy.
Jamie - Your first reply made me spit out the sip of beer i was having!
Jus' saying old timer.It's a shop advert, 'new' boy.
ah, Crikey.. I get what you think you're trying to say 😆
Yunki, I'm trying my best to live up to the angry misanthropic thing. I'd like to be one, but probably don't have the stamina.
In the mean time, who is nukeproofriding? Pretty obviously not new, is he from Poplar, perchance?
The important thing is how far will they go...
Oh dear.
I feel a wave of misanthropy washing over me.
What next, David Bowie in a cardigan?
How about David Bowie standing near a man in a cardigan?
I really liked it.
I'm not going to analyse it any further than that.
It's made to make you buy stuff.
I've never been into John Lewis.
And I don't have any plans to do so in the near future.
Am I allowed to enjoy the advert ?
I think its brilliant, really moving and their best yet.
The talent that goes into their adverts is just amazing.
Do I have to be somebody to voice an opinion? I'm not allowed to write my thoughts on an advert because i'm not an "accepted" stw insider?In the mean time, who is nukeproofriding? Pretty obviously not new, is he from Poplar, perchance?
[i]Do I have to be somebody to voice an opinion? I'm not allowed to write my thoughts on an advert because i'm not an "accepted" stw insider?[/i]
You've even got the stw thing.
You aren't new, you're someone else posing as someone new, so give over.
It was alright, prefer the Aldi ones though.
& It certainly didn't make me want to spend my hard earned at John Lewis's in particular.
Don't think adverts really work on me TBH.
Maybe the 6 million blown on that explains why waitrose had to do the charity ad.
I think its great.
Anyone saying that its a bad advert or advertising doesn't directly work on them, there is a thread on here with John Lewis in the name and your reading and discussing it...
[i]with John Lewis in the name and your reading and discussing it[/i]
...and, Professor, [i]not shopping there[/i]....
The thread isn't about the efficacy of marketing, so you don't have to defend it.
Do pay attention at the back.
[i]Anyone saying that its a bad advert or advertising doesn't directly work on them, there is a thread on here with John Lewis in the name and your reading and discussing it...[/i]
Just reading & discussing won't do much for sales though will it.
As someone in early 40's I thought last years and this years versions of classic songs were great on the ads, and made you at least remember them.
Am I the only person who hasn't seen it? I don't watch or listen to adverts.
Don't think I saw last years either!
The Sandwich family think it's a great story. The changing facial expressions are what makes it.
CG the Guardian media page has a link to it or Google john Lewis Christmas ad.
My my crikey aren't we a condescending chap.
If you would care to notice that i said 'directly' work on them; So yes, you probably wont go out and do all of your Christmas shopping at John Lewis tomorrow (and neither will I).
I just find it ironic that because of this advert which many are saying doesn't work, John Lewis is being discussed at length (and Debenhams/Selfridges etc aren't) so its very easy to argue that its a successful piece of Marketing - therefore a successful advert whether you like it or not.
CG the Guardian media page has a link to it or Google john Lewis Christmas ad.
But I have no intention of watching it!
Came downstairs earlier, found the missus in floods.
Asked what was wrong. The only words I could identify were 'snowman' and 'John Lewis'....
Looks like christmas is here then...
Looks like christmas is here then...
1l bottles of Baileys are starting to be reduced to a tenner. So I would have to agree.
Just reading & discussing won't do much for sales though will it.
In Internet land that isn't entirely true unfortunatly. Having an ad go viral is brilliant for seo and reducing the cost of google Adwords (I think). So it may not be you doing th purchasing but you make a small diffence in th chances of someone else making a purchase. Apparently there is 8 billion spent online over the christmas period so if you can redirect 0.1% to you then you've paid for yer ad
The JL xmas ad is becoming its own institution. They've had 3 years of world class ads in a row.
The JL xmas ad is becoming its own institution. They've had 3 years of world class ads in a row.
I think you're probably right, and why the heck not..? it's not like advertising campaigns have ever created traditions before is it..?
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I'm sure the naysayers can remember purer times though.. 🙄
it's not like advertising campaigns have ever created traditions before is it..?
I'm sure they can, but that particular one is an urban myth.
I'm sure they can, but that particular one is an urban myth.
please don't let's bring facts into this.. 😐
Sorry. My mistake.
As you were.
And where is the Baby Jesus in all this?
It's meant to be his birthday.
I thought you celebrated this in a hearty pagan kinda way crikey..?
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