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Just how long can the workers stay out, when their cash flow stops, when they are beaten on the picket line by the Police, where scab labour or the newly unemployed are brought in to do their jobs,where secondary picketing is not allowed, think miners strike and the print workers strikes of previous years.
When the unions have all their funds seized by the courts, where the parents and the children are stuck together for days on end with no money coming in,causing intolerable stress on relationships, where your mortgage and credit card provider attempt to make you homeless and bankrupt, because you cant pay your bills.
It all happened before with thatcher, and the unions where seriously much stronger and had a lot more clout then.
I was even on strike.
Discuss nicely.
What do you think?
Don simon , and what do you think!
They give up and go back to work, after wrecking their own lives and shooting themselves in both feet.... If they still have a job to go to.
where the parents and the children are stuck together for days on end with no money coming in,causing intolerable stress on relationships, where your and credit card provider attempt to make you homeless and bankrupt, because you cant pay your bills
You have to ask yourself which is more important: Your job, or your family.
No job is EVER worth an ounce of what you describe to me.
Don simon , and what do you think!
My thoughts have been aired on other threads, so repeating them here will not serve any purpose except to feed....
Basically if they have a justified reason for striking (as opposed to wanting an outdated and unaffordable method of pensions provision for all (even new joiners) members "NO MATTER WHAT") then the public keep supporting them....
but if not and they won't compromise in negotiations then they loose all public sympathy and eventually have to cave in to a worse deal than they were offered in the first place.
Unions are great in general but.... the sort of person who wants to be a senior union official are often the problem - raving anti establishment idiots who screw the rest of us moderate members over.... sometimes we want a bit of common sense and reality in the negotiations being done on our behalf by our unions!
it would be difficult to see a strike with teachers that went on and on
PeterPoddy - Memberwhere the parents and the children are stuck together for days on end with no money coming in,causing intolerable stress on relationships, where your and credit card provider attempt to make you homeless and bankrupt, because you cant pay your bills
You have to ask yourself which is more important: Your job, or your family.
No job is EVER worth an ounce of what you describe to me.Posted 2 minutes ago # Report-Post
Sadly it happened during the miners and steelworkers strikes, where families turned against each other.
Is it thatcher dies and we riot at her state funeral?
Sadly it happened during the miners and steelworkers strikes, where families turned against each other.
Mr Ideology, have you met Mrs Reality?
You have to ask yourself which is more important: Your job, or your family.
No job is EVER worth an ounce of what you describe to me. If I don't like it, I leave. Striking is dumb.
True, but what is the option? if there are no other jobs to go to what kind of choice is it?
Consider the following, live in swansea, the northeast, the places where a lot of public sector employers are. If you look these are places that do not offer much in the way of alternative employment.
Something i learnt working at the Shotton steel works last year
[url= http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2010/03/30/shotton-steel-remembers-day-when-6-500-were-sacked-55578-26134139/ ]how to destroy everything.[/url]
you make 6500 redundant in one day and see what happens.
when they are beaten on the picket line by the Police
Assuming that the police aren't on strike..
Mrmo, it was a very sad time at Shotton i lived down the road, and had a devastating efect on all the surrounding areas, 6500 workers at shotton lost their jobs but so did a lot of ontractors,and allied trades who relied on shotton for work, the train and lorry drivers , the shop keepers , the food suppliers etc etc.
Ian Munro, the POlice are not allowed to strike by law.
Sadly it happened during the miners and steelworkers strikes, where families turned against each other.
I'm from Nottinghamshire, and I'm sure you know what we didn't do.......
So what happens when the governmnet doesnt give in to strikers
The country prospers. The country is only efficient when all workers are paid based on the ability of the company they work for to pay, and the desirability of that workers talent in the open market.
Collective bargaining and strikes result in all workers being paid the same: there is no incentive for making an effort. If the unions demands are met companies overpay the weak to retain the talented, resulting in their end products being unduly expensive.
That "how to destroy everything" article misses one crucial fact, if something is un-profitable then going on strike isn't going to convince the managers and owners who are making a loss to keep it open?
It implies that the owners somehow wanted to shaft the little guy at the bottom. At the ened of the day if a plants profitable then it'll stay open. Even in a communist utopia guverened by Arthur Scargill that'd be the case!
How about the teachers strike during their 6 weeks off, or the week off 6 weeks later - or the two weeks off after another 6 weeks and so on - you get the idea.
I imagine this has been discussed already.
Oh and my wifes a teacher
[i]Ian Munro, the POlice are not allowed to strike by law.[/i]
Who would enforce the law if they chose to though?
the POlice are not allowed to strike by law.
Which raises the important question of who would arrest them?
[edit] dam too slow!
On a serious note, arent the police, army and courts deliberatly paced outside the governments powers (i.e. under the Royal Family) to stop the government having too much power.
My boss went on strike for more than 2 years during the miner strikes.
He thought it would be a couple of weeks at best and had some savings to get by on
The country prospers. The country is only efficient when all workers are paid based on the ability of the company they work for to pay, and the desirability of that workers talent in the open market.Collective bargaining and strikes result in all workers being paid the same: there is no incentive for making an effort. If the unions demands are met companies overpay the weak to retain the talented, resulting in their end products being unduly expensive.
erm, I find it sad that people actually think this.
How about the teachers strike during their 6 weeks off, or the week of 6 weeks later - or the two weeks off after another 6 weeks.
do you find many jobs where people strike during a time they are not working, what odd behaviour.
thisisnotaspoon - Member
That "how to destroy everything" article misses one crucial fact, if something is un-profitable then going on strike isn't going to convince the managers and owners who are making a loss to keep it open?It implies that the owners somehow wanted to shaft the little guy at the bottom. At the ened of the day if a plants profitable then it'll stay open. Even in a communist utopia guverened by Arthur Scargill that'd be the case!
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It just needed investment, just like Bidston Steel had the investment and so did Brymbo , all within about 15 distance, Bidston steel was a private steelworks, and worked thjerough the steel strike, Brymbo was a GKN owned one, and partially worked, bioth got closed down with the huge loss of jobs, in fact both Bidston and Brymbo where sold to China and re built there.
do you find many jobs where people strike during a time they are not working, what odd behaviour.
I can't think of many people who would threaten to inflict suffering and misery on innocent children in order to extort a bit of extra cash out of work. Why not do a march in the holidays and leave the kids education out of it.
I can't think of many people who would threaten to inflict suffering and misery on innocent children in order to extort a bit of extra cash out of work.
And here we go again. 🙄
thisisnotaspoon - Member
That "how to destroy everything" article misses one crucial fact, if something is un-profitable then going on strike isn't going to convince the managers and owners who are making a loss to keep it open?It implies that the owners somehow wanted to shaft the little guy at the bottom. At the ened of the day if a plants profitable then it'll stay open. Even in a communist utopia guverened by Arthur Scargill that'd be the case!
Tinas
i am not trying to argue about whether or not it needed investment, and my opinion and having spoken to a few people, i used to work for Corus now Tata, Port Talbot is not safe, S****horpe has just seen another round of redundancies, Redcar went last year, although since partially reopened.
I doubt Shotton could have survived long term even with the investment, costs etc make heavy steel production in the UK as a long term prospect doubtful, strategically having to import all steel slab is probably not the best thing but economically.
Anyway back to my point, If you shut down a big employer there is a huge knock on and it can destroy a community, it is not just the workers, the contractors, the bus drivers, train drivers, shops, schools, everything. 30 years later Shotton is still not back on its feet, and this is somewhere with decent links to the centre of the UK, look at the welsh valleys...
And look at Port Talbot to see a disaster waiting to happen.
Yes your are right DS this is like an exercise in seeing who can repeat their point of view the most whilst keeping the same high level of hyperbole.....and they say a teachers job is easy 😉
Yes your are right DS this is like an exercise in seeing who can repeat their point of view the most whilst keeping the same high level of hyperbole.....and they say a teachers job is easy
While I can agree on one hand, I am duty bound to disagee on the other. Feel free to disagree. 😉
damn you and your trickery
the big question is, is any of this striking going to affect bike bling getting into the country? When I need a new chi chi part for my bike to salve my conscience of not actually having ridden my bike recently I don't want to be waiting for some pinkos to get their arses back to work because they're striking for an extra 10minutes lunch break.
London city bankers not getting to work is one thing, bike boutiques having empty shelves is quite another! Cross the picket lines, break the unions, I want my slr c64 godsdammit!
Royal Mail are trying to provoke the Posties to strike once again but we are not taking the bait, work to rule is working a treat as they run on overtime due to the last lot of cuts.We will be in the same position as CanadaPost who have decided to lockout the workers due to the work to rule.
The working classes will only take so much!
[b]work to rule is working a treat as they run on overtime due to the last lot of cuts[/b]
But RM has a statutory duty to deliver the mail,or face large fines and there are lots of other pop it through the door services.
The country prospers. The country is only efficient when all workers are paid based on the ability of the company they work for to pay, and the desirability of that workers talent in the open market.Collective bargaining and strikes result in all workers being paid the same: there is no incentive for making an effort. If the unions demands are met companies overpay the weak to retain the talented, resulting in their end products being unduly expensive.
Meanwhile in the 21st century...
I'm from Nottinghamshire, and I'm sure you know what we didn't do.......
Carry on mining coal?
project - MemberIan Munro, the POlice are not allowed to strike by law.
They can work to rule though
plenty of people prepared to work and willing to take your job and who don't care at all about the issues or "solidarity"
personal debt now is a lot higher than in the early eighties, so peoples propensity to undertake a continuous industrial action is much reduced, the reality is that i'ts going to be a rolling series of one day strikes alternated between the different activities
Assuming that the police aren't on strike..
Why would the police strike when they'd be making all that lovely, lovely overtime?
And look at Port Talbot to see a disaster waiting to happen.
I remember the Welsh union reps smug as you like on TV after they had done their deal to shut the more profitable Ravenscraig. All the best when it comes round, at least you will have the Shotton and the Craigs examples to show you what it will be like.
can't think of many people who would threaten to inflict suffering and misery on innocent children
you try teaching the little shits all day and who said its a threat..
can't think of many people who would threaten to inflict suffering and misery on innocent children
Don't know but i would assume that although there will be a picket line and/or marches. The school day will be arranged so that the exam years get priority and continuos education, it is the extra curricular stuff that will go first followed by non-exam. Yes it is a pain and seems unfair but do the air traffic control guys strike in mid-Feb or the height of summer? Do the underground strike on a Sunday/Bank holiday or mid week?
You strike to inflict inconvenience if you can.
And if your job/conditions were under threat then you'd hope that a union would stand up for you. How far would you like them to go? A wee chat in teh bosses office or if needs be a strike?
Oh and i'm not striking as Scottish teachers were not included in this, it is an English strike. I was not balloted even though my union is one of the striking ones.
Just of of interest,DMJ would you respect us not striking and instead working to rule. Doing 35hrs a week and no more? A long term policy of this would cause far more disruption.In fact most of us think of a series of one day strikes as the lesser of two evils. Like onehundredth we are not out...YET
can't think of many people who would threaten to inflict suffering and misery on innocent children in order to extort a bit of extra cash out of work.
Complete pish,brilliant dramatic statement though. Have you thought about joining the drama club? Wed lunchtimes (industrial action allowing)
The roads should be quieter for the day as most people will be on strike it appears, lets just hope traffic wardens stay out for a long time.
Dmm just remembered our traffic wardens are privatised.
I for one am excited to see where they find tens of thousands of scab teachers from
carbon337 - MemberHow about the teachers strike during their 6 weeks off, or the week off 6 weeks later - or the two weeks off after another 6 weeks and so on - you get the idea.
I imagine this has been discussed already.
Not really discussed much as it'd be moronic.
Well what exaxtly did your strike achieve yesterday, absolutely nothing, and what will the next if they ever happen achieve.
as above plus one.
Roads where a lot quieter,
Well what exaxtly did your strike achieve yesterday, absolutely nothing
You silly billy. One thing it certainly achieved was to make folk like me aware of the issues faced by teachers and indeed many other public sector workers, IE the current government want to shaft them out of the pensions and benefits they were promised when they took the jobs, in order to keep taxes low enough to appease their wealthy cronies.
So, quite successful I thought. All power to them.
And yes, I was at the protest in central London, to support those protesting and to try to gain a greater understanding of their situation, rather than just be spoon-fed biased crap by the right-wing media...
And yes, I was at the protest in central London, to support those protesting and to try to gain a greater understanding of their situation, rather than just be spoon-fed biased crap by the [b]unions[/b]
There fixed it for you!