[Closed] So my bro got caught speeding

First question would be how much does he earn? It's going to be very spendy hurty no matter what!

Real men get caught doing triple digits.

Has he got any points already?

7-56 days disqualified or 6 points. Plus 150% of weekly income.

Plus 150% of weekly income.

How do they determine that, net, gross, with pension contributions etc?

We don't get pay slips any more, all online in some HR app....

I dont believe he has any points

Most likely 6 points and fine dependent on current outgoings/commitments

Most likely 6 points and fine dependent on current outgoings/commitments

Yes it will be this. It's 150% of disposable weekly income capped at £2,500. But I suppose if you earn enough to pay the maximum you can afford it more than someone on minimum wage paying £100. Just don't speed, it's not big or clever. I found that out the hard way 🙁

And good luck getting insurance if he does get disqualified.

It's 150% of [b]disposable[/b] weekly income

150% of Zero is Zero.

Awesome.

Yep. Disposable income is a pretty meaningless measure.

It's weekly income after tax and ni. I did read somewhere that if the defendant doesn't say what their income is then it's worked out on the median wage which is 440 per week apparently.

Seems like a bit of a loop hole - duno if there is any way the court can force the defendant to tell them.

So if you spank loads of money on a expensive car each month you have a smaller fine?

I don't remember reading that it had anything to do with 'disposable' income.

I think it's just a percentage of your weekly income; although not sure if that is gross/net etc.

It's not disposable income, but the court does take into account assets and liabilities.

Guidance [url= https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/explanatory-material/item/fines-and-financial-orders/approach-to-the-assessment-of-fines-2/4-assessment-of-financial-circumstances/ ]here[/url]
[url= https://formfinder.hmctsformfinder.justice.gov.uk/mc100-eng.pdf ]
Here's the MC100[/url] form that the OP's brother will need to complete.

I was recently stopped and was 1mph inside a band B offence (4-6 points & up to 125% fine). Am content with a conditional offer of 3 points & £100 fine.

It's not disposable income, but the court does take into account assets and liabilities.

True I'd got disposable bit wrong.
Handy fine calculator here.
https://www.confused.com/on-the-road/driving-law/speeding-fine-calculator

I know a chap who got caught speeding twice in one journey. One ticket was in one county and the other was from the one he crossed into a few minutes later. He argued in court that going by the time and distance between the speed traps that he could not have dropped below the national speed limit between them. Therefore it could only be proved he had broken the limit once and so he was only liable for one of the tickets, it worked.

He argued in court that going by the time and distance between the speed traps that he could not have dropped below the national speed limit between them.

That's some curious logic at work there. Surely there's another inescapable conclusion given that argument?

EDIT: Ah, I see now. I'd have been tempted to withdraw the charge at that point and see if the CPS fancied a stab at Dangerous Driving given the admitted sustained excessive speed over a considerable distance...

Therefore it could only be proved he had broken the limit once and so he was only liable for one of the tickets, it worked.

Far from the only one, it is a common (and legitimate) argument. Usually only worthwhile deploying if you are facing a totting-up ban. For someone with a clean licence, two FPNs will probably be cheaper than a court appearance.

Handy fine calculator here.
https://www.confused.com/on-the-road/driving-law/speeding-fine-calculator

Suggests it's capped at £1k...

I got caught doing 112mph a bit further north on the A1(M) on my way back home to Glasgow a few years ago. I pleaded guilty on the paperwork but I had to go back down for court to be sentenced and before that had a chance to write up excuse/reason/mitigating circumstances etc as well as I had to provide a statement of my financial situation. Was told that a disqualification (most likely) or points and a fine would be the outcome so not to take my car as the ban would start immediately. I had a chance to speak to the magistrates and I asked outright for the points and a fine to which they agreed to no bother. I didn't make any excuses, just said that I should have known better and that was that. They took into consideration the statement from the traffic police (I never said anything to them except to confirm my details), my annual mileage (at that point about 60k pa) the fact I never made any excuses for speeding and that driving around the UK was part of my job. Cost me a fair bit in fines, victim surcharge and travel/accomodation and I got 6 points added to the 3 I already had. Insurance premium went up but not by as much as I would have expected tbh. I think your bro will be ok unless he was being a knob to anyone during the process.

I got caught doing 112mph

😯

Cost me a fair bit in fines, [i]victim surcharge[/i] and travel/accomodation

Eh? Who's the 'victim' of speeding on the motorway?

112 is fast but the context makes a big difference.

Yeah, so rattling along nearly 30mph above the limit takes you right up the backside of considerate drivers like me..
Thanks.
And 112mph, you deserve a 10yr ban. You should know better.

I’ve zero tolerance for speeding motorists.

Yeah, so rattling along nearly 30mph above the limit takes you right up the backside of considerate drivers like me..

So you sit in the fast lane doing 70mph? You could like, move over... 🙂

Nah, 60 in the slow lane occasionally pulling out to overtake trucks.

You think I’m joking don’t you..

Rong.

EDIT: Ah, I see now. I'd have been tempted to withdraw the charge at that point and see if the CPS fancied a stab at Dangerous Driving given the admitted sustained excessive speed over a considerable distance...

Yes I think he probably would have deserved that. I'm not condoning his wriggling out of it I just thought it was an interesting tactic.

Far from the only one, it is a common (and legitimate) argument. Usually only worthwhile deploying if you are facing a totting-up ban. For someone with a clean licence, two FPNs will probably be cheaper than a court appearance.

I'm pretty sure he was facing a ban from the two charges together.

Just did 100 mph on motorway.

It was a dumb thing to do now looking at your bro or the possible consequences or injury/death to others.

Thing is my car can do 155mph and 0-60 in 5.9 secs.

Should have bought a leaf.

Not speeding again.

Eh? Who's the 'victim' of speeding on the motorway?

112 is fast but the context makes a big difference.

Yeah, so rattling along nearly 30mph above the limit takes you right up the backside of considerate drivers like me..
Thanks.

And 112mph, you deserve a 10yr ban. You should know better.

I’ve zero tolerance for speeding motorists.

Real men get caught doing triple digits.

Nah. Real men [i]dont get caught[/i] doing triple digits.
Cars need too much space to go fast, so it happens in obvious places. Bikes don’t. So it doesn’t.

Frankenstein - Member
Just did 100 mph on motorway.

It was a dumb thing to do now looking at your bro or the possible consequences or injury/death to others.

Thing is my car can do 155mph and 0-60 in 5.9 secs.

Should have bought a leaf.

Not speeding again.

BMW? 😀

doing 112mph a bit further north on the A1(M) on my way back home ....., my annual mileage (at that point about 60k pa)

What a ****ed up legal system we have...

Judge: You're accused of breaking the speed limit and endangering life. Do you have anything to say?
Accused: Yes I do it shit loads throughout the year.
Judge: Ah ok, then we'll not give you a big sentence then.

eh..

I once was stopped for doing 83mph on a Mway (it was just before 10pm on a sunday evening). The policeman, who'd clearly had a bad day was pretty rude, and accused me of "nearly killing everyone on the motorway at the time" To which i answered. "There was one person on the Motorway, and that was me" (the police car was sat in one of those "up and over" mounds you see occasionally at the side of the mWay, but wasn't a marked car so i hadn't seen any Batternburg glint etc)

The guy eventually let me off, after i'd calmly apologized and said i was sorry. He then said " I really hope you don't normally drive at that speed" to which i quite truthfully answered "no, of course not officer". It was completely truthfull, because just prior to that i'd been doing an indicated 175.........

The guy eventually let me off, after i'd calmly apologized and said i was sorry. He then said " I really hope you don't normally drive at that speed" to which i quite truthfully answered "no, of course not officer". It was completely truthfull, because just prior to that i'd been doing an indicated 175.........

*In before the hand-wringers*

That is very funny, and fully awesome 😀

I wonder what decisions you make when you decide to speed?

Is it because you feel entitled or are you just plain selfish? Maybe because you do “colossal” mileage’s means you are a better driver than you actually are?

Maybe a clear road in front of you equates to “sod the speed limits, I’m awesome”

I’d offer the courts ought to take that sense of smug entitlement away from you and once the sentence served that you take a driving test once a year for the rest of your life..

Happy to offer my opinion, you are welcome.

I’m with bikebouy on this one. It’s no wonder people speed like they do. The consequences might as well be nonexistent.

Respect your opinions chaps, but if it's an empty road, what's the problem? No one to hurt but yourself.

'If a tree falls in the woods' etc...

The problem is that not everyone can follow the empty road logic. There are a lot of seriously daft people out there. Simple blanket rules help keep things simple. Want to go fast go to the track

I think the problem is if you do **** up and hit the barriers scattering your motor and possibly your torso across the lanes of the motorway., the next driver 2 miles behind you has to stop and sort it out.

He then said " I really hope you don't normally drive at that speed" to which i quite truthfully answered "no, of course not officer". It was completely truthfull, because just prior to that i'd been doing an indicated 175.........

Motorway speed limits are pretty arbitrary, and the basis for their being set is long lost.

If they increased the limit to 80 would you still be outraged at the reckless endangerment bikebuoy, or is it just ‘because it’s the rules’?

How do you feel driving in Germany? Even at 60 it must be hard not to crash with all that hand wringing.

jambourgie - Member

Respect your opinions chaps, but if it's an empty road, what's the problem? No one to hurt but yourself.

'If a tree falls in the woods' etc...
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funkmasterp - Member

The problem is that not everyone can follow the empty road logic. There are a lot of seriously daft people out there. Simple blanket rules help keep things simple. Want to go fast go to the track
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tails - Member

I think the problem is if you do **** up and hit the barriers scattering your motor and possibly your torso across the lanes of the motorway., the next driver 2 miles behind you has to stop and sort it out.

+1 for - How do they cope in Germany?

 

thegeneralist - Member

What a **** up legal system we have...

Judge: You're accused of breaking the speed limit on a motorway [s]and endangering life.[/s] Do you have anything to say?
Accused: Yes I drive [s]do it shit[/s] loads throughout the year and this speed is not habitual as you can see from my relatively clean endorsement history.
Judge: Ah ok, then we'll not give you a big sentence then as it wasn't really that serious given you were deemed to be driving safely. Drive slower this time on your way back home.
Accused: Ok will do, cheers.

eh..