[Closed] So how close were we to guns pulled yesterday?

more lazy soddin students in leeds today
these lazy geyts will protest about anything
companies evading tax
people killing badgers
overthrow the government
ban mcdonalds

get a soddin life you good for nothing lazy layabouts.

police horses forcing them back were impressive tho.........awesome!

Ton; don't get yerself so worked up mate. It's not good for you.... 🙁

Not sure I understand your hatred of them Ton WHY?.Part of it is younger people are more likely to be radical protest and I have no problem with them doing this or getting a bit close and personal with HRH
Governments would be far more responsive if we rioted and engaged in mass civil disobediance when they ignored our wishes ...everything they do requires our acceptance and compliance.
Of course they like to lecture us when people dont do a peacful protest as a peacful compliant[middle class????] show of annoyance, hand ringing and tutting is much easier to ignore.

Odd Ton you supported the miners but hate students for doing the same and protesting/fighting for their way of life

johnnie............hatred...me
you know me better than that mate.

more lazy soddin ......these lazy geyts........good for nothing lazy

And they are "lazy" because they are protesting ?

If they stayed at home and didn't bother protesting they wouldn't be "lazy" ?

There's some interesting logic there ton. Or is it as I suspect, that no logical thinking was involved at all ?

And for that matter, probably no thinking of any description.

teej and darcy will be along soon i expect 😆

Well before they do, any chance of you explaining why protesting students are "lazy" ?

Or don't you know ?

cos all they want to do is toss it off for a couple or 4 years before they decide to contribute to the country.

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was going to say antipathy but did not want to confuse you with a word I learnt as a student 8)

God this is painful to watch. 🙁

hate students for doing the same and protesting/fighting for their way of life

what "way of life" are students fighting for?

daft comment and certainly in no way comparable to decimation of communities that the closure of mines caused. Many towns across the UK have never recovered.

[b]graduates[/b] having to pay more money back albeit at a lower monthly rate than they currently do and after they are earning above 21K does not seem to be a reason for violent protest.

But hey what do I know as I paid for my university education myself, lived on pittance, had two part time jobs whilst at uni and started paying my loan back as soon as I was earning because I believe that my further education was MY choice and I had to repay that opportunity as a responsible and accountable adult.

cos all they want to do is toss it off for a couple or 4 years before they decide to contribute to the country.

So your comments concerning "laziness" aren't aimed at protesting students at all then. They are aimed at [u]all[/u] students. You should have made that clear mate.

But you sound a little bitter to me ton.......why is that ? Couldn't you get to university ? Weren't you "lazy" enough at school ?

ernie..........i was neither brainy enough or that way inclined mate.
i was out working as soon as i left school to provide wages for my family to live on.

i was neither brainy enough or that way inclined mate.

But you clearly have a problem with people who are, I just wondered why that was ?

You see, like you, I wasn't "brainy enough or that way inclined", but I don't have a problem with students, nor do I consider them to be lazy. So I was interested in why you do.

Elfinsafety - Member
God this is painful to watch.

then enlighten the heatherns

what Humanities degrees are actually about...

The pity is that [legitimate, peaceful] protest has been overshadowed by the violence of a minority, compounded by dubious Police tactics.

[url= http://www.****/news/article-1337506/Tuition-fee-riot-Charlie-Gilmour-mob-surrounded-Charles-Camillas-car.html ]The behaviour of the Tab idiot[/url] was grimly amusing, though - it was like all [i]The Daily Fail[/i]'s Christmases came at once.

ernie..........it seems to me that a large amount of the students that decide to go to university drop out after a couple of years.
i see these as lazy people who do not want to face up to the realities of life.
you have to pay into the society, this is fair...no?
these freeloaders do not seem to want to do this.

imho that is.....i may be wrong.

graduates having to pay more money back albeit at a lower monthly rate than they currently do and after they are earning above 21K does not seem to be a reason for violent protest.

i see these as lazy people who do not want to face up to the realities of life.......i may be wrong

Mmmm..........I think there's a possibility that you might be.

Ton,

remember that the miners wanted the taxpayer to continue funding their jobs and lifestyle even though it was commercially unviable - essentially they wanted to be freeloaders for life, not for 3 or 4 years.

ernie......i agree
beans........ 😆

but we will stay pay £10k per annum to HE for vocational qualifications

most aren't vocational, a degree in electronic and electrical engineering doesn't qualify you to wire a plug

the additional payment is to cover increased teaching costs so that all students will pay the same level of tuition fees or thereabouts

that sounds very equitable

the miners wanted the taxpayer to continue funding their jobs and lifestyle even though it was commercially unviable

British deep mined coal was, apart from South Africa, the cheapest in the world. The problem actually was, that other countries were subsidising their coal industries, and the then British government, despite the job losses, destruction of whole communities, etc, was more interested in Dole, rather than Coal.

it seems to me that a large amount of the students that decide to go to university drop out after a couple of years.

How do you know this, if you've never bin to uniservity? 😕

This is now like watching a bullfight that's gone on too long. It's continuation merely prolongs the agony...

then enlighten the heathe[b]r[/b]ns

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You're on an [b]internet forum[/b]. Have a think about it...

British government, despite the job losses, destruction of whole communities, etc, was more interested in Dole, rather than Coal.

but think of the carbon saving........

I think the real issue was that the Unions didn't see the writing on the wall and the leadership chose to have a idealogical fight with the elected government of the day. If they had spent their time getting concessions in the form of re-employment strategies they may have saved their communities from a lot of the pain they went through.

big_n_daft I meant FE not HE I reaised my mistake and edited before I saw your comment
Do an apprenticeship under 19 whilst employed and thatis what it cost us to train these people- in some areas some are quite cheap Business admin for example. Construction, engineering, motor vehicle for example are all expensive courses we fund via taxation to train employeees of a company. Some companies run their own training - Landrover , BAE with own tutors/deptartments and draw down the funding themselves so make a profit/surplus from the training as well.
We pay this but not HE

CITB is different as they do use a levvy system.

ernie, was winding up Ton.

then enlighten the heatherns

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How do you know this, if you've never[b] bin to uniservity[/b]?

big_n_daft I meant FE not HE I reaised my mistake and edited before I saw your comment
Do an apprenticeship under 19 whilst employed and thatis what it cost us to train these people- in some areas some are quite cheap Business admin for example. Construction, engineering, motor vehicle for example are all expensive courses we fund via taxation to train employeees of a company. Some companies run their own training - Landrover , BAE with own tutors/deptartments and draw down the funding themselves so make a profit/surplus from the training as well.
We pay this but not HE

CITB is different as they do use a levvy system.

national industrial competitiveness is quite important and worth supporting in a globalised manufacturing economy

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humour failure there ...I see your name is quite apt 😆

beans...........fail. 😀

only cos you know I'm a confirmed union man.

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ton - Member
it seems to me that a large amount of the students that decide to go to university drop out after a couple of years.
i see these as lazy people who do not want to face up to the realities of life.

1/3 of my course failed the first year and never went back, 150% of the previous years work load had something to do with it and poor lecturing the rest. Changed quite few lives in a sink or swim manner

national industrial competitiveness is quite important and worth supporting in a globalised manufacturing economy

with the elected government of the day

The 'elected government of the day' had no mandate at all for the destruction of the British coal industry.....it was never in their election manifesto. In fact, the government of the day repeatedly denied the accusation levelled at them by the NUM that they were committed to the wholesale destruction of the British coal industry. On the contrary, they emphasised that British coal had a bright future ahead if some unproductive pits were allowed to be closed. As we now know, they were lying.

Still, none of this has anything to do with Charles and Camilla being confronted by revolting students chanting "off with their heads".

The 'elected government of the day' had no mandate at all for the destruction of the British coal industry.

You mean a bit like the fact that the like the Head of the NUM had no mandate to call a strike 😉

i think a certain woman always had a mandate..
take away the lions teeth, and the lion has no bite...... 😀

You mean a bit like the fact that the like the Head of the NUM had no mandate to call a strike

Not according to a previous court ruling they didn't. According to the court, a ballot decision was not binding on the NUM, something which Scargill challenged.

But stick to Charles and Camilla's [i]ghastly[/i] experience will you.

In fact, the government of the day repeatedly denied the accusation levelled at them by the NUM that they were committed to the wholesale destruction of the British coal industry.

due to the fight turning political

as I said above is the energy had gone into fighting for retraining and inwards investment the results would have been different. However as the NUM depended on having miners as members they were hardly going to suggest they got retrained and join another union.

as soon as it became a battle of wills between Thatcher and Scargill there was only going to be one winner, the people who felt the pain were the communities in the frontline. What was the personnal cost to Scargill? the amount of money he's personnally fleeced off the NUM I really do wonder why he is held in such regard

So no problem keeping business employees competitive or us paying for this but you think that having future graduates would add nothing to this same competitiveness and/or they should pay for it?
Seems odd you are happy to pay for the training for companies employees [ or lets call them citizens]but not directly for the people [citizens]they will one day employ.

some training/education contributes directly to competitiveness, some is a lot more marginal

funding traiing for people employed in manufacturing seems an excellent way of targetting spend for maximum effect

due to the fight turning political

Well I'm glad you don't deny that the government of the day lied to both the miners and the rest of the British people.....it's good to agree.

So what do you think of Charles and Camilla's ghastly experience then ?

what you call maximum effect I call [often]subsidising multi million/billion pound multinational companies to train the staff to have the skills they require - they would need to do this anyway so why are we paying??
McD do this for catering as well for example a great benefit to us all clearly.
You would susidise business rather than people even very wealth foreign based ones
what about an additional tax on the comanies or employees here who have benfited fromtaxes paying the training?
Moat are not manufacturing FWIW

So what do you think of Charles and Camilla's ghastly experience then ?

I thought the critics said the variety performance was OK 😉

personnally I don't think it is worth all the publicity it's getting. Lazy reportage of a minor incident, not helped by daft comments from the Met CC.

They won't care, the protection officer in charge will get replaced in the next 3-6 months quietly.