[Closed] So, do we think Wiggins is clean?

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Yes....

Who?

Oh, you mean WiggIns? As in Bradley?

If you are going to use someone to troll, at least spell his name properly.

Edit. Go on then I'll bite. What makes you think this?

Edit 2. Nice edit.

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Thoughts? I think you should take your obnoxious trolling elsewhere.

He did taste a bit dirty last time I obliged.

I'd still do it again though.

I'm not sure, I haven't seen his schedule, but if he is a good boy, Sunday night should be bath night so I think I'll say yes.....

I'd still do it again though.

Literally, the Breakfast Of Champions.

2/10

you did get an extra point for backing up your opinion with a guess though.

lived & trained at altitude for many weeks before the racing started - artificially (& legally) boosted EPO production

(I wonder what that does to your biological passport and how easily it could be differentiated from exogenous EPO or similar, dunno)

whether he did anything else that may have been against the rules, dunno

FWIW, I think he's clean - mostly just because of the stance they've taken and what a **** he'll look if he's ever caught (and Brailsford et al, too)

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Honestly Im not sure that you could say for certain any top athelete, roadie, mtber, fottball, rugby etc is clean

governing bodies notoriously corrupt

the pressures immense at the top, age isnt kind and Im always amazed how quickly pro atheletes can come back from injury, eg cedric gracia and dan atherton both had massive injuries but were back of it within a couple of months, physio rehab top doctors etc but its still must be tempting

the minute you start on energy gels/ protein/recovery drinks/powders youre already on a grey area , I dont know whats in SIS does anyone else?
and what about supplements that arent banned but might be later etc

oh and fwiw i get the impression wiggos clean, except maybe the odd recreational toke 😉

Not trying to troll at all, just wanted to start a discussion.

Are a lot of people afraid of what they might think is the truth?

Are a lot of people afraid of what they might think is the truth?

Hmm. When you put it like that, I reckon you might be onto something.*

*Allegedly.

Is there a single scrap of evidence to suggest doping? I mean other than that he won some races that previously dopers had won.

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I very much doubt it.

Yes he may well have been 'clean' during the tour, but clean for life? Very unlikely.

In most sports at the top level, PED's are commonplace.

Not trying to troll at all, just wanted to start a discussion.

Not sure what there is to discuss when there isn't any evidence.

And what is the 'truth'? I've no reason to think he's dirty, other than the sworn testimony of samuri, so, what has told you so conclusively that he's dirty.

Is winning proof of doping?

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Not sure what there is to discuss when there isn't any evidence.

In most sports at the top level, PED's are commonplace.

Are they? Care to share how you know this?

Is winning proof of doping?

Contador is labelled as a doper without any evidence

Apart from the failed dope test and 2 year ban for doping and Wiggins having never failed a dope test they they are identical

not sure why the op is getting all the clog.

it's the first thing i asked myself when he won the tdf.

but then i expect all elite level cyclists, athletes and swimmers to be dopers.

I reckon he may of used some recreationals at one time or another

I dunno, Contador is labelled as a doper without any evidence. One failed test doesn't make him a lifetime doper, unless the evidence can be presented here.

Eh? Caught doping = doper.

I won a pub quiz once, my team and I collectively had about 16 pints of drugs in our systems. I think we got away with it.

Eh? Caught doping = doper.

[url= http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17412 ]sky doping theories[/url]

essentially nothing beyond "they won, they musthave cheated" but it goes on for 100's of pages.

If someone murders someone, only once mind, at what point aren't they a murderer?

training at altutude is a nonsense. your body takes a few hours to adjust to lower pressures. that's how its possible to climb high mountains. the camp at 1st base while there body adjusts to the altitiude. same happens when you desend.

Just speculating, I haven't heard or seen more than anyone else. If I was pushed to make a decision, I'd guess he was taking some performance enhancers in some form or another

I say you’re just a ****ing ****er. I cannot be doing with people like that. It justifies your own bone idleness because you can’t imagine applying yourself to do anything in your life.

It’s easy for you to sit under a pseudonym on STW and write that sort of shit, rather than get off your own arse in your own life and apply yourself and work hard at something and achieve something. And that’s ultimately what counts. ****s.

Bradley was in my club as a teenager. So I rode with him before all of you had heard of him. He was world junior champion at the time. He did that through being committed. I don't doubt that he still does it through being committed now.
Also he hasn't written a book telling the world that he was great and how the only way he was able to motivate himself was by hating and picking fights with every single other rider.
Get over yourselves.
I cutthroat up with his second coach at New Years, he's a medaled rider too, and his first coach and mentor lived an incredible ascetic lifestyle - disappointingly not mentioned in Bradley's various books.

living at altitude is prob what matters, yeah, training by riding up mountains (halfy-halfy, let's say) - if he didn't have to ride up big hills he'd be better off training at sea level

@aracer. Like what you did there 🙂

I do wish aracer would get off the fence...

aracer, good work! 🙂

If someone murders someone, only once mind, at what point aren't they a murderer?

Can you prove that Wiggo isn't?

How do you prove a negative?
If he's not failed a test, then he's not a doper.

training at altutude is a nonsense. your body takes a few hours to adjust to lower pressures. that's how its possible to climb high mountains.

I think you need to go and have a wee read up on how altitude training works (or is meant to work)!

If he's not failed a test, then he's not a doper.

living at altitude is prob what matters,

I'm not saying Bertie is doping now, I'm saying he was proved to have, so is and always will be a doper. A reformed one maybe, but still a doper.

Bradley has not been proved to be a doper (and there isn't any evidence to even hint that he is) therefore he isn't a doper.

There was plenty of evidence against LA before it all kicked off, it's just he sued anyone who published it. Seems only the usada was the only group willing to stand up to him.

Can you prove that Contador is doping now?
Can you prove that Wiggo isn't?

Lets look at it another way, morally speaking who is in the superior position?

A convicted doper.
or
Someone who has never returned a positive sample?

All other things being equal whoyagonnabelieve?

Treat them all the same. All dope unless proven otherwise, you won't be disappointed then