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Sooo.. we're thinking of changing the family car sometime in the near future and are looking at lots of cars and the Skoda Octavia EST fits the bill. As petrol seems to be the future ( for now) I noticed the 1.0TSI and wondered if it would work for us? My wife's run about really, but needs to be a decent size, with the very occasional long run, but no more than 8k a year. Will this puny little engine even work? and has anyone had any useful experience of this car and thoughts on the new breed of small engines in big cars?
Wife has same engine in a Q2, which is a bit smaller and lighter. It’s very nippy, and even with 4 folk in it pulls well.
is it the same as the one in the fabia? Nippy and constant turbo so seems fine for most journeys . Ok with a full car in it as well
Borrowed one while my 1.4tsi estate was in for service.
Works well enough had my son n DIL plus grandaughter and load of shopping, still pulled ok. Slow compared to 1.4 (150bhp) but good enough.
Is it just me or does anyone else have doubts about the longevity of these little units?
No, that's my worry too. On paper they look o.k but I do wonder if they get over-stressed and will die early. I think the missus's next Octavia will be the new 1.5TSI or maybe a 1.4, dependant on age.
andy8442 - MemberWill this puny little engine even work? and has anyone had any useful experience of this car and thoughts on the new breed of small engines in big cars?
Performance figures have it one second faster to 60mph than the base spec diesel. It has 10bhp more, 36lbs ft less, probably offset by slightly lower weight in the petrol engine.
Will it move, definitely. Will it move in a manner that stirs your loins? Depends on your loins.
slowoldman - MemberIs it just me or does anyone else have doubts about the longevity of these little units?
If the vag are anything like Ford they are cast iron blocks designed from the ground up to cope with boost and stress. Probably only relevant if the op intends to keep the car for 50k+.
Im old school when it comes to engine(ering).
Our V70 is currently on 160k miles with no issues but i deliberately bought the least stressed engine they make -2.4l NA petrol producing 140hp.
I cant see these small capacity force induction high output engines surviving +100k miles
RustyNissanPrairie - MemberI cant see these small capacity force induction high output engines surviving +100k miles
Car manufacturers are looking at reducing the raw material content of cars as far as possible - smallengines are light and have less materials.
The white goods manufacturers have been at it for years. They all need to reduce cost at every point of the supply and manufacturing chain.
Ask Skoda for a test drive? It's what I did.
If you're buying new, I'd wager that you're looking at either a 2 litre diesel or a long wait.
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RustyNissanPrairie - Member
I cant see these small capacity force induction high output engines surviving +100k miles
But then google VW twincharged TSI for comparision.
Im not totally against small engines and I did learn a lesson when looking at Smart cars years ago for my wifes commute - i thought that the 600cc turbo engine would be a timebomb but googling ~10years or so after the event has shown that they have been pretty reliable.
RustyNissanPrairie - MemberIm old school when it comes to engine(ering).
Our V70 is currently on 160k miles with no issues but i deliberately bought the least stressed engine they make -2.4l NA petrol producing 140hp.
I cant see these small capacity force induction high output engines surviving +100k miles
Pretty sure VAG, and other car manufacturers don't give a toss about people that want to spend peanuts on old, high mileage cars.
RustyNissanPrairie - MemberBut then google VW twincharged TSI for comparision.
So compare an alloy engine that's supercharged and turbo charged for use in performance applications like the Polo GTI and Fabia VRS with a cast iron engine that's turbocharged and intended for use in everything including base spec 99bhp Fiestas?
or even that their products reach high mileages - just as long as they look cheap on lease/PCP.
Is it just me or does anyone else have doubts about the longevity of these little units?
Me too. I think a 1.4 turbo is too small for an Octavia. Posts on here about similar engine in a Touran dying at 35,000 miles
Tbh cars don’t tend to fail because the engine itself has let go anymore generally uneconomic to repair because of other issues. I wouldn’t be too worried about the engine if I test drove it and it was fast enough for me (190bhp vag driver) 🙂
In an Octavia we’ve had a 1.6 FSI NA engine..115BHP... but felt really weak. Drove OK, but had nothing in the tank for hills/overtaking etc.
Currently have a 2lTDI Oct - love it. But i kill a kitten each time i accelerate...
Also have a 1.4 TSI yeti - really great engine, but not that great mpg (Though it is a 4wd box).
I’d test drive a 1l engine, but.... i’m Not convinced that (Unless there’s magic under the bonnet) it’d be great in an Octy...
DrP
I have a 1.0 (125ps) Fiesta Ecoboost which usually just has me in it.
Not sure I'd want that sized engine in anything bigger.
My dad has just picked up his new Ibiza with the 3 cylinder 1.0 turbo. Pulls well and performs nicely.
Aren’t these new engines (1.0 & 1.5) the first to be designed to be run with a turbo rather than taking older engines and modifying them to be turbo’d?
I should have said we are looking to lease it for 2 yrs only, so,longevity , someone else's problem!
Our Q2 is averaging about 40 mpg, all stop start, slow and short journeys, heaters and demisters on etc. It will do around 10k max a year and is on a 4yr PCP, so similarly not worried about longevity.
slowoldman - Member
Is it just me or does anyone else have doubts about the longevity of these little units?
Kia = 7yr warranty 😆
Clock will start ticking around Feb, 4mnth wait 🙄
iainc - Member
Our Q2 is averaging about 40 mpg, all stop start, slow and short journeys, heaters and demisters on etc.
This is the bit that worries me. Our Sorrento does 35-40 on MrsTs commute. I can easily get 4-5mpg more than her(she holds onto gears too long!) sitting at justbover the legal limit over Xmas from Penrith to Dumfries with a top box on the Sorrento managed 35-7mpg which for a big 4x4 ain't bad...
I've a 1.2TSI and it's a bit less powerful than the newer 1.0TSI, it has enough performance. Not going to tear the road up in a blaze of tire smoke, but not by a long shot the slowest car I've driven.
It's a fairly light car for it's size too, which helps. In terms of engine longevity, I don't want to say anything at all in case I tempt fate, but judging an engine's longevity by its size is quite frankly a load of bollocks.
They do get through a reasonable amount of oil though, and not keeping on top of that could easily kill it at a very low mileage. And of course having a turbo etc is another set of stuff to go wrong.
And of course having a turbo etc is another set of stuff to go wrong.
Well yes!!
It's a fairly light car for it's size too, which helps. In terms of engine longevity, I don't want to say anything at all in case I tempt fate, but judging an engine's longevity by its size is quite frankly a load of bollocks.Large capacity unstressed naturally aspirated low output engines (which is what im talking about) vs small forced induction with large power outputs??? Only one winner as far as longevity is concerned unless you include turbo’s as consumable parts?
Fuel economy and efficiency are a completely different matter
Well looks 300kg lighter than the diesel so although just over 110bhp / 148lb-ft should probably go along Ok. Less than 10sec to 60. So not slow.
Engine longevity in modern engines I think is probably more due to sympathetic driving styles (not ragging the engine or labouring) and keeping to maintainence schedules.
I do wonder how economical this engine - car combo will be in real world use. Some of these small turbo engines are far less economical than there MPG figures would suggest.
A small car with (relatively) small engine isn't a problem but the Octavia doesn't fit my definition of a small car; for that size of car body I wouldn't go below 1.4.
New, used or nearly new?
I would be very clear about when I would move it on; flog it to death or take good care and then move it on after about three years.
Are you a cash/finance buyer or PCP?
If cash/finance, consider likely resale prices.
Having said all of that, I should probably re-think my choice of motor - 3.2 turbo german rear wheel drive auto which is incredibly.....easy to drive (think point & squirt), impractical unless you need acres of room, useless around town, undriveable on snow or ice, fantastic on long drives, uber comfortable and uber reliable.
Pays your money, takes your choice.
I wouldn't know where to start if I was in the market for a replacement.
HTH!
From experience small petrol engines with turbos are great around town but next to useless in the ice and snow (the polar opposite of a 2.0tdi+ engined car)
Interesting the manual in my 150bhp 1.4 bravo said not to let the turbo warm up and cool down pre and post drive as I had always understood was the right way to treat a car with a turbo
About cars advertised mpg figures (I know they're achieved in a lab), in my experience than can be achieved (or very close) if:
a) you drive like you ride a bike around town (no hard accelerating or braking, freewheel towards to red traffic lights and try to anticipate the traffic ahead)
b) Stick to speed limits
c) Change gear regularly to match the cars speed
d) If your car has stop/start then use it.
e) Don't carry 100kg of crap in your boot
f) regularly maintain your car including checking your tyre pressure regularly.
g) own a car suitable to your needs and not your latest whim or bank balance.
Sorry about my moan but people who drive about 10mph over the speed limit (and nose to tail) then complain of poor fuel economy really annoy me.
Modern turbos all have water jacket cooling and electric cooldown pumps. You can, in theory just shut them off straight away. I don't quite subscribe to that idea and will always ease off on the last mile or so, but then I'd do that whether the engine was F/I or N/A. There's no reason at all, with good oil care, that a small capacity lump couldn't outlast a 2.4l ponderous dinosaur.
If you rattle along at 800rpm in 6th @30mph then you deserve to have either set of ends deposit themselves in your shins. Poor engine.
I'll be keeping an eye on this out of interest. I currently drive a dirty diesel 2.0 Octavia VRS. I like it. I can't see a 1 litre petrol equivalent being as fun, quick or easy to drive on my daily commute.
It also averages 40+mpg on my day to day twisty/fast/slow A/B road driving, and as much as 55mpg on a decent run.
I wonder how these small engined bigger cars are to live with.
andy8442 - MemberI should have said we are looking to lease it for 2 yrs only, so,longevity , someone else's problem!
If you're not bothered about the environmental longevity then just get an older car with a bigger engine.
I drove yetis with 1.2tsi and 1.4tsi before plumping for the latter. The 1.2 was pefectly adequate though...1.0 has a bit more power still.
2wd Octy will be a bit lighter and more aerodynamic. Going for the dsg gearbx will help get the best out of the smaller engine without feeling that you have the row it along. That just leaves the lack of overall power for big overtakes....you just need to be honest with yourself as to how often you get to do those in today's traffic conditions?
Got a 1.4 and 1.2 Yeti. Much prefer the 1.2Tsi. it sounds smoother doesn't seem a whole lot slower and is way more economical.
Looking forward to the 1.0 Karoq in Feb.
55mpg out of my estate Octavia 1.4tsi 150 on 90 mile commute reading 48.5 for long term over two years. Lot of the non commute is around city or loaded up with 2+ bikes on towball rack for days away. I got a great deal on it from new £5k off and 0% PcP planning on buying it at end of deal, really pleased with it and service from dealer. Hope the engine looks after me long term!
frankconway - MemberA small car with (relatively) small engine isn't a problem but the Octavia doesn't fit my definition of a small car; for that size of car body I wouldn't go below 1.4.
Judging the 'suitability' of an engine by it's capacity is old fashioned, and now irrelevant. Look at the weight of the car, the output (bhp and torque, to use some old fashioned terms) and the performance figures.
I'm with rusty nissan here, the old adage that you can't beat cubic capacity. Small engine in a big car means it's going to struggle, simple power to weight ratio.
Whilst it produces more power than the 1.2l, where is max power produced? Pointless if peak power is high up the rev range, unless you like to use the gearbox.
For everyday driveability, torque is more useful, which is where the Now unfashionable big capacity long stroke with heavy flywheels are more conducive for a relaxed driving experience. Of course, YMMV.
Whilst it produces more power than the 1.2l, where is max power produced? Pointless if peak power is high up the rev range, unless you like to use the gearbox.
Only two data points but my 1.4Tsi Octavia pulls far better from low revs than my previous Mondeo 1.8 non turbo petrol. The Mondeo was better at high revs but the Octavia better for everyday driving.
MPG - Mondeo mid 30s, Octavia 47mpg for Glasgow to Cambridge at 75mph much of the way. 52mpg Glasgow to Skye and back at A road speeds.
As for smaller turbos in big cars still not convinced. I test drove a 1.2Tsi Octavia before buying a 1.4 and thought it a touch underpowered compared to my Mondeo.
I believe in general modern small turbo engines pull well from low revs. There has to be a limit how small you can go though.
slackalice - MemberI'm with rusty nissan here, the old adage that you can't beat cubic capacity. Small engine in a big car means it's going to struggle, simple power to weight ratio.
Apparently not so simple that you could make a coherent point. Forced induction = more power, less weight and a better power to weight ratio.
Whilst it produces more power than the 1.2l, where is max power produced? Pointless if peak power is high up the rev range, unless you like to use the gearbox.
For everyday driveability, torque is more useful,
Last time I checked the Ford 1.0 ecoboost produces peak torque around 1900rpm and about 90% of the bhp. It does produce max bhp closer to the top of the rev range but this means you have a wider useable power band.
My partners 1.2Tsi Polo with 110bhp, the 4cyl engine recently superceded, is remarkably smooth, refined and produces torque from very low revs. In that respect it's like driving a very smooth Tdi motor. If you haven't tried one of the modern small capacity turbo petrol motors you may be surprised by their drivability.
Her previous polo had a 100hp 1.4 16v na engine that was gutless in comparison as it had about 90lbft of torque compared to 130lbft and the power and torque came in much higher up the rev range
I had a very similar conversation with the wife's sister who works for VA group. We get a family lease plan car from her every 6 months and so far have had the seat Leon 1.4 and been very happy with them. Next time however we decided to try a skoda Karoq. Thing is after looking at the specs I noticed the Petrols are only 1 ltr and 3 cylinders. It's only 115 bhp but this is about all the Leon's we've had have been so no less power but the car is fairly big so am worried it just won't perform. All I got told was the usual "new technology and engines mean better performance" . I guess we'll see in 6 months from now.
The 1.0 VW/Audi engine pulls really well from low revs and only sounds harsh when revs get high. Being a 3 cylinder turbo it does sound a bit different. We went to it from a 1.6 petrol Kia Soul, and the Audi is much nippier and nicer to drive in every way. We live on a steepish hill in an ungritted estate and yesterday many cars couldn’t get up the road. I was surprised when the Boss pulled into the driveway after work and reported that it wasn’t spinning much on the way up.
Neighbours 4wd Kodiaq didn’t manage it 😀
Anyone done big miles on one of these little turbo petrols yet ?
100k + ?
I've seen reports of ecoboosts going through oil quickly.
As well as their arse falling out at about 30 k a couple times (big thread over on pistonheads ....same guy has had 2 engines let go at less than 30k.
I'm off to test drive a 1.2 puretech berlingo next week
Amusing to see people on the thread giving their opinion on 1.0lt turbo's when they clearly have never driven one.
I used to have a 1.0 Focus and thought it was ace. Smooth, quiet and reasonably rapid. If the VAG engine is comparable to the Ford unit it will be fine in the Octavia.