and make a triumphal return once things have stabilised a bit.
I think its wildly optimistic/wishful thinking to imagine that anything is going to stabilise any time soon. The whole Brexit thing has pulled the pin out and thrown a hand grenade into the British Body politic.
Unfortunately, I think this is going to **** this country for the next decade at least. This is only the beginning. This is the calm before the storm. There's scope for all kinds of previously unimaginable shit yet. Not least both main parties going into full on civil war/meltdown with their respective wings
Unfortunately, I think this is going to **** this country for the next decade at least.
Decade? That's an optimistic perspective. Normally you're a bit doom and gloom about such matters. 🙂
+1 except it's not just about parties, real people are involved too.
I think you'll find that the correct term is 'little people'
To Boris and chums, this is all a jolly wheeze. A parlour game. And like all their other jolly wheezes, there's never a price to be paid. That's for the little people
To Boris and chums, this is all a jolly wheeze. A parlour game. And like all their other jolly wheezes, there's never a price to be paid.
Dunno. I think Brexit has hit Boris hard. I think it's generally accepted his plan was to lose the Brexit Vote and strengthen his own political capital. He's done the opposite and I think that means a lot to him.
It's encouraging that the overwhelming collective response is one of incredulousness and schadenfreude.
If she isn't gone by xmas then I'll donate some money to a charity of my choice*.
*I'm going to do it anyway, mind.
I think its wildly optimistic/wishful thinking to imagine that anything is going to stabilise any time soon
I did say a bit. Besides you dont need things to get better as such just to be able to disown the mess and claim you are fighting hard to save things.
Although it may be a lost cause either way I think he is looking to duck out for a bit and let things go pearshaped in a way he can dodge blame later.
If she isn't gone by xmas then I'll donate some money to a charity of my choice
The main reason not to believe this will be the case is simply no one else wants the job right now. The ship is heading for the rocks and the person who is going to be blamed most is the captain at the time it hits. Even if that captain took over 2 seconds prior and just had time to look at the compass and grab the wheel.
The bit that surprises me is she hasnt simply walked away.
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[u]allegedly[/u] she was led away in tears by her hubby madness that shes sticking around ! does she not realise shes only making things worse?
Oooh. Source?
Didn't realise the P45 prankster was Simon Brodkin. He's got previous with Sepp Blatter, Donald Trump, Simon Cowell, VW, and many other. Big balls on him and he keeps managing to do it.
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Oooh. Source?
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The main reason not to believe this will be the case is simply no one else wants the job right now.
Agree. If it was up to her she'd have gone before the conference. The reason she's still there is because there was no way for her to avoid it.
The bit that surprises me is she hasnt simply walked away.
I'm not sure she's able to. Like it or not her role to keep taking the negative press and then resign before the next election - which could be quite soon!
Nervous breakdown?
The thing is, who to replace her?
There was a YouGov poll in the summer for Conservative party members that rated candidates on their appeal and how much disgust (that was the actual word used) they provoked. The only one who was more appealing than a bucket of cold vomit was Amber Rudd apparently.
There's Boris, a man who could not tell the truth if his life depended on it and who is clearly incompetent.
There's Andrea Leadsom, who would vie with IDS as the least intellectually able party leader, ever.
Gove.
JRM, a man playing the 1950s schtick to elderly voters everywhere, but who does not appeal to middle (aged) voters.
Phil Hammond. In his favour, as a youth he was apparently a proto-goth.
David Davis, still unable to shake off the "thick as mince" label and accusations of laziness.
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Possibly the first surprising thing about TM on this thread - she has a sense of humour
Like it or not her role to keep taking the negative press and then resign before the next election
Surely though she can call it a day at some point. Possibly resigning and saying "go on then you blond bleeping clown. Lets see how you handle being undermined you bleep bleep bleep. I am off to buy a shepherds hut and write my book".
Possibly the first surprising thing about TM on this thread - [s]she[/s] her aide has a sense of humour
fify 😉
Jesus christ, what a bit of a mess
edit: haha, interesting auto-correct!
I agree this is his plan now as he knows what he claimed to win the ref cannot possibly be delivered on so he wants to be as far as possible from the mess when it happens whilst saying he tried.I am not sure he does at the moment. I think it is more he wants pushing to the outskirts of the decision making so can avoid all blame and make a triumphal return once things have stabilised a bit.
I think winning the vote twice [ not to mention the GE outcome] had secured him the leadership for a while.Since JC lowered the parliamentary threshold for nominating a leader there's no point in removing him. It's over. He's won
May really is beyond parody isnt she. There is nothing she cannot make a mess of even her own speech. Its so bad I am starting to feel sorry for a tory PM.
Disappointed that jambahurtmore hasn't appeared on this thread to tell us how wonderful her speech was today. Sad.
hahaha, just catching this stuff on the news, superb! 😆
Eddie Mair running rings around Rudd....
21 mins
jeebus, Rudd (wafer thin majority aside) seems like a leadership contender....
once
Gone by weekend, to be replaced by someone much, much worse.
Very funny though......
Everyone needs to hear that Rudd interview to a the end the way he lists [s]Bernard Manning's[/s] Johnsons gaffes is comedy gold Rudd has nothing.
If it wasn't for Mays efforts this would have been the most excruciating Tory fk up of the day, it's all getting a bit Trumpian
Rusty Spanner - MemberGone by weekend, to be replaced by someone much, much worse.
Who? anyone with any ability has already run a mile. all thats left is vainglorious idiots.
Anyone who wants the job like boris is too toxic within the party, amyone with the electability and ability for the job is waiting for a better time and keeping their heads down. Unless she forces the issue by resigning then she is stuck there.
Dodger
Have no axe to grind here and too busy with work - preparing for Brexshit - to watch any of this
Even with my libertarian sympathies, I despair at the state of Uk politics. The two major parties are in total disarray and neither are fit to govern. The leaders of all three major parties are unfit for purpose too.
I cannot imagine voting now if there was an election since there is no one that I can imagine voting for. It was tough last time and then it was best of a very bad bunch. Now it’s impossible.
We are going through a challenging period - economy naturally slowing plus Brexshit - will the whole of government in disarray.
It’s pathetic in the true sense if the word. Indeed for the first time I actually felt sorry for TM today.
It’s all a bloody mess.
I think she's had enough.
all thats left is vainglorious idiots.
Yup.
But you underestimate the feral desire for power of the potential candidates.
The Tory party is so much better than Labour at ruthlessness.
Always have been, it's one of their major strengths.
Look how quickly and brutally they got rid of fatcha once they knew she'd run her course. Ironic considering how they idolise her now
May was finished on the morning of the election result. I'm sure she'd have done a Dave and walked then. But the powers that be know that the senile old racists that constitute their membership will elect Boris Johnson as... well... they're senile old racists. They love that shit!
So like most rational people, the Tory paymasters know that he is a self-serving egotistical clown, and the damage he would do, if left in charge of Brexit, would do irreparable damage to the country, usher in economic catastrophe, and more importantly to them, end their gravy train and make the Tory's unelectable for a generation, at least
But there's nobody else either. So Theresa gets told once again "you broke it, you own it! You're going nowhere!"
, I despair at the state of Uk politics.
Just wait until you hear that Rudd/Mair car crash !
What a bunch of muppets, thank god they’re not running the country... oh wait...
D’oh.
I don't care what anyone says, someone was intentionally shaking that wall during her speech and Lee Nelson was an inside job.
None of that should detract from what an utter shitstorm facing the conservatives. I'd dearly like to see them consigned to the electoral doldrums, basically forever.
The Eddie Mar interview was a thing of beauty
ICHEF-1.BBCI.CO.UK Mair asked the kind of pointed, pertinent questions that should have been put to May, not Rudd.
Not sure she can resign, or that things would be better if she did. What a stalemate.
Boris doesn't like having it pointed out to him, in gloriously graphic fashion, that he's not half as clever as he thinks he is, does he?
A great day,
Mrs May gives a speech,
And f's off
Not a single security guard or Cabinet member did anything when the protestor got to May, he was mobbed by camera men, every attendee just sat dumbfounded
Just imagine if they did that on prescott's watch!
"Somebody I'd like to give a P45 to"
Went down well with the zealots in the hall, and not a bad ad-lib in the circumstances, but when you examine the idea properly:
- if Corbyn was rubbish, then TM wouldn't want him to get the sack
- it's actually JC who's effectively handed TM her P45 (though she has a long notice period)
I'm interested to see people saying they feel sorry for her though - that seems a normal human reaction towards another human having a tough time. Whatever you might think of her and her policies, and even that she's brought it all on herself (personally I don't believe she's an inherently bad person, just completely out of her depth), she's clearly in a bad place.
I also think a lot of the commentary on the speech is a bit unfair - sure criticise the content, don't have a go at her for being ill.
sure criticise the content
Oh, go on then - have we done how it was ripped off from the West Wing?
don't have a go at her for being ill.
the coughing not her fault, nor the sign collapse, the shoddy security?, Johnson , Mogg etc undermining May so much that shes just reduced to a walking punchline for comedians ?
This was sold as her comeback speech to unite the party, the cough alone would have been bad enough, I am no fan but genuinely felt sorry for her then, seeing a parade of Torys tell us how she struggled through adversity to finish the speech like she'd survived a life threatening illness I lost my sympathy.
as for the content, her fix to the housing crisis equates to <20 house per local authority over 3 years.....
Yeah, like the massive commitment to the 'Northern Powerhouse' amounted to having a root around the back of the sofa to see what loose change they found. While there are still limitless billions for Crossrail in London, and HS2 which nobody in the north prioritises over our woefully underfunded, Victorian era public transport
I don't know how she can keep a straight face while she's announcing these insults. Which will probably be quietly cancelled within a couple of weeks anyway. Like all other previous grand announcements.
They can * right off, the patronising *s! Do they think we've all just fallen out of a ****ing tree?
