SNP support in Scotland notably down?
No.
She's been superb at protecting public services in Scotland and should continue, setting a good example to the southerners. Corbyn's labour has learned a lot from her policies in the last year or so.
She still has over half of the Westminster seats in Scotland in her team.
No, the result is the result of wicked English meddling 😆
Pretty unlikely when you consider the result in perspective. 2015 was always going to be an anomaly.
She surely has a job on her hands trying to understand the complexities of Indy vs Yoonie, Remain vs Leave etc. I reckon the picture is much more nuanced than many believe.
Besides she's just been elevated onto the "World's 100 most influential women" list, second to the Queen in the UK 🙂
There's barely a bawhair between SNP policies and Corbyns. Indeed, SNP MPs have voted with Corbyn more times in Westminster than many of his PLP colleagues.
Yes
Tories got in again due to SNP collapse.
No one wants another referendum Nicola, get over it.
I think youll find that both labour & the tories would be happy with being 'way down' and still being the bigger party by such a wide margin
[quote=benz ]SNP support in Scotland notably down?
yes the leader of the party that won the most votes and the majority of seats in Scotland should indeed resign after achieving the massive failure of winning there yet again- which once more shows how unpopular their policies are.
Face palm goes here
No, she is doing fine. Nicole should stay. 😆
She should continue to bang on about 2nd referendum for independence.
Insist on independence she will see SNP bites the dust.
Oh ... ya ... look at the scalps ...
Callum McCaig
Mike Weir
Corri Wilson
Eilidh Whiteford
Calum Kerr
Richard Arkless
Kirsten Oswald
Alex Salmond <--- 😆 (good retire coming playing golf?)
Angus Robertson <--- 😆 (crikey he looks so old yet)
Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh <---- 😆 (loud mouth is out)
Steven Paterson
Stuart Donaldson
😆
I think you'll find that the Tories got in on the back of the 300 seats they picked up in England.samunkim - Member
YesTories got in again due to SNP collapse.
and that won the most seats in the recent council election and that has the most seats in the national parliamentyes the leader of the party that won the most votes and the majority of seats in Scotland should indeed resign after achieving the massive failure of winning there yet again
It looks United Kingdom is intact ... 😆
Samunkin-
I think you'll find that a lot of Scots still want that second referendum and want to be as far away as possible from nasty, dismal May.
Junkyard,
Yes, overall most votes but I suspect that losing seats was not part of the master plan.....
No...SNP still the largest party in Scotland by a long way,the 2015 result was never sustainable was expecting losses, admittedly not as many as this,and I honestly cant see Nicola even contemplating resigning best political leader in the UK
let the dust settle....
No, we've not seen the Brexit terms yet, which may well push ID2 back up the agenda...
The SNP still have a massive majority within Scotland (the only place they put up candidates). The kind any of the other Westminster parties wish they'd won.
tory/dup coalition...........
I definitely do want another referendum.
2nd highest no of seats they have ever had in a GE.
No, I would not want her to resign.
No, she's still one of the strongest politicians in the country, and would probably make a better PM than either TM/JC.
Needs to put aside the obsession with independence for a bit though.
obviously but what is your point?I suspect that losing seats was not part of the master plan
Why keep banging on Nicola Sturgeon to go?
Just because someone has a bad day does not mean they should go.
She is still SNP party leader.
She should stay.
Silly goose ... 😆
obviously but what is your point?
I suspect that what he means is that the SNP made a major political miscalculation over IndyRef2 and she should therefore pay the price for that. I have a bit of difficulty with people who think that Corbyn 'won' the election but don't accept that Sturgeon 'lost' it. You can't have it both ways. Tories got more of the popular vote in the UK than the SNP did in Scotland. A triumph for both Nicola & Theresa no?
The Tories won the UK as a whole, the SNP won Scotland while Labour won nothing. So nothing has actually changed barring some underlying arithmetic.
I don't think she made a miscalculation on IndyRef2.
It's like when you play poker. You can be the best player in the world but if a total moron who doesn't have a clue sits down at your table then their random idiocy will sometimes screw up your game.
Unless the goal of this whole election was to reduce the size of the SNP majority in which case TM played a blinder.
So nothing has actually changed barring some underlying arithmetic.
Remember the last days of John Mayor's government - propped up by DUP with every vote going to the wire?
A lot has has changed.
May is going to have a torrid time until the next GE, which can't be more than 6 months away.
Corbyn didn't win the UK GE, but 35 is still more than half of 59....
The SNP is an independence party she will never pay the price for trying to achieve that - its what they want
As for % england is a two horse race [ and most of wales] and scotland a three horse race so the % dont tell the whole story. They still won a majority of seats in scotland and hold a majority so by any definition she has just wont the election within scotland.
I am not sure how this can be spin any other way
SNP is the most popular party in scotland again and still
well the tories just went from a majority to a minorityThe Tories won the UK as a whole, the SNP won Scotland while Labour won nothing. So nothing has actually changed barring some underlying arithmetic
In an election that is more than a underlying arithmetic change
How anyone can conclude: [i] So nothing has actually changed [/i]
is pretty astonishing really.
Inetesting that neither Sturgoen nor Swinney appear to be dancing in the the streets of Raith over the results & the ramifications this has for another referendum. Perhaps some people on here should give them a call and tell them how well they have done. You know: Cheer 'em up a bit.
55.3% v 44.7%.
Cameron you tool.
I think that is a separate issue form whether they just won and whether she should resign
It almost certainly weakens their position on that issue but i doubt they will stop working to achieve it.
Nothing that happened to them last night is a resignation issue.
IMHO Only May is in that position for reasons that are obvious
She stole defeat from the jaws of victory
nickc - MemberHow anyone can conclude: So nothing has actually changed
is pretty astonishing really.
Nothing coz we are still on course for Brexit.
After Brexit you can throw your handbags around all you like ... 😆
How anyone can conclude: So nothing has actually changedis pretty astonishing really.
Woke up to a Tory government yesterday, will wake up to a Tory government tomorrow.
FWIW I don't think that she needs to resign, but I do think that this was a bad night for the SNP. There probably isn't one single cause, but there is no doubt that the call for a second referendum was a major blunder & that sound of gurgling you hear is probably the tide turning.
2017-35
2015-56 Mps
2010 - 41
2005-11
2001-5
1996-6
1992- 3
1987-3
1982- 2
Once can possibly say it was bad or that the tide has turned but we really need to wait and see with a few more elections but historically its their third best result ever and I assume they would love to keep having bad nights like that
2010 - 41
??
Didn't the SNP get 6 in 2010? In which case last night was their 2nd best result ever (and by a considerable margin).
#faketrews
So, the gains made between 2010>2015 fully removed and a bit added by losses between 2015 and yesterday.
Why?
[quote=scotroutes ]
2010 - 41
??
ok 6 but i was close
😳
FWIW i just looked at the top figure which was of course labour
they got 41 apologies my point was even better than I thought
So, the gains made between 2010>2015 fully removed and a bit added by losses between 2015 and yesterday.Why?
No. 6 seats in 2010, 56 in 2015, 35 yesterday. So still big progress on 2010 if you view 2015 as something never to be repeated.
Thanks for the clarity around seats.
If continued or indeed growing support then surely 2015 should be fully repeatable?
If not, then why?
56 out of 59 seats? That's just so improbable that it's unlikely to be repeated. The 2015 result was soon after Indyref so the results were skewed by that campaign.
The Unionist parties also colluded this time around. That might not happen if it actually looks like a Labour win in Westminster is on the cards (which it wasn't this time around). TBF the SNP share of the vote also decreased so this latter point may be being overplayed.
If continued or indeed growing support then surely 2015 should be fully repeatable?
I doubt anyone thought 2015 was repeatable and suspect no-one really knows the natural split in Scottish politics yet. Some of the stuff last night was a bit bizzare and needs some further analysis on the demographic of the swing to the Tories to help understand it.
you cannot get your best result every election and that was a freak result by any standards
I doubt the SNP even expected it
Last night was a steady as she goes type result IMHO
Perfectly respectful not brilliant and not awful a nothing to see here result if you will
Not bad with everyone else after them