All this talk of Shotguns is just pure fantasy.
A well set Claymore at the top of the stairs is much better.
Though you do need to decorate a bit afterwards !
Why not just put a roller skate at the top of the stairs, always seems to work in the movies 🙂
Bloody hell ... some of you guys really think too much to complicate matters ... 🙄
Keep it simple, it's either you/your family or the intruders. Your choice.
I prefer Papua or Indo spice island style ... 😈
Bloody hell ... some of you guys really think too much to complicate matters ...
Yes, it will get us all in a lot bother all this thinking won't it. Best not to think about things usually.
Keep it simple, it's either you/your family or the intruders. Your choice.
Yes, I like to imagine everything in terms of an incredibly simplistic and violent survival situation, I find it really helps focus the mind. Because most burglars obviously aren't interested in slipping away with as much sellable gear as possible, what they really want is to wipe out you and your family.
Luckily there are plenty of very very brave people on this forum who will never let that happen, WHATEVER IT TAKES.
Jeez chewkw, while it was clear little thought goes into your posts on this matter, are you actually being serious?
It's strange how while I'm at work & looking at prisoners casenotes & see index offences of burgling a dwelling, I never seem to think 'scumrats'.
But when reading about burglars on here I do.
Step in the right direction. Commit a crime? it was your choice. Serve you right.
Don't want the risk? Behave yourself.
Break into a house as part of a gang and you deserve all you get. No sympathy for the theiving scum.
You'd have convicted burglars executed then?
He said "you deserve all you get" he didn't specify execution.
Presumably there is no limit on "all you get" and it can include anything..........rape, torture, death, whatever
So you have a shotgun in the house at which point do you wish you had lifted it and used it.
a)at the point the intruder is pointing it at your head
b) when he is counting down and pointing it at your daughter demanding you open the safe (you don't have)so he can take the 20grand he thinks you have
C)when your wife is being assaulted and you have the gun pointed at you
Because when you have an intruder in the house you do not know what they are after
(I need to stop watching crimewatch)
You forgot:
D. you've panicked and shot some people
E. no need...they've run away when they've heard you're awake
to Z. etc
Tell me the stats on how many home intrusions turn violent and then you[s]'re[/s] [u]may be[/u] worth listening to.
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surely in that scenario you would have been better of not having a gun in your house and then you could take them in hand to hand combat in the buff like a real man.
Too right.
Then one of you might accidentally stand on a bottle of baby lotion (after your clothes fell off) which goes EVERYWHERE.
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Stuff all this "i'm up here with my teddy, now go away you nasty burglar type or i'll tell the law".
Just pop a cap in there backs with this bad-boy. This would see em off fo sure.
sadly patriot, that's where the pathetic violent-death-fantasies started.
A Spudmatic. that takes me right back. Are they even still legal in this day and age?
Oh and me mike, remember my mum n dad wondering where all the ammo went (spuds).. Can't be legal now tho the damage they can do surely 😉
OK al - so the spud-matic is a bit OTT for shooting burglars. We should be putting the kettle on and giving them one of these:
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Classic for you patriot - reduce a sensible principled discussion into "macho" name calling.
Says it all about your "argument" to me.
Oh cheer up al x
PS - you've been driving a jag today i hear 😉
Like i said on another paranoia type thread, i don't even lock my door when i'm in the house.
My nain's generation always left the outer door open, to let folk know they were welcome to come in, as every one looked out for each other there was never any bother on that score.
The price of a privatised way of life, is distrust,cynicism,worry,and other negative emotions. Then you have folk wondering on forums 'i'm just not happy'........
cynic-al - MemberJeez chewkw, while it was clear little thought goes into your posts on this matter, are you actually being serious?
Put it this way if I had a shotgun (prefer Benelli M4) and there were intruders inside my house which may frighten the hell out of me, as a result my finger becomes uncontrollable so I may pull the trigger due to fear ... The question you need to ask is who feel lucky at the split moment.
Serious or not fear will do weird things to people.
As Dirty Harry once said ... "Do you feel lucky, do you feel luck punk, do you?".
But then, it's really quite easy to be a tough guy on the internet.
That may be true..... but I'll tell you it's even easier when you've caught a local to our town, well known thieving scrote in your own house who was responsible for a 3 week break-in spree (He was 27 yrs old - not out of jail since the age of 17 more than 4 weeks at a time and let off the previous month with community service) including breaking into quite a few pensioners (one - our near neighbour) homes as they slept and stole what limited possessions they had, you should also attempt to calm down a hysterical 75 yr old widow just about every single night for weeks afterwards as she's too terrified to sleep incase he comes back, Sitting with her at 2am in the morning as she's shaking uncontrollably whilst clutching a picture of her dead husband, waiting on the local GP to arrive yet again to sedate her, that just might change your opinions on so called retribution slightly, or at least skew your sensibilities enough to force action - whether it's right or wrong to do so is something you'll have to live with.
As far as i know he never broke into any house again, but then again he was "forcefully advised" to leave the area so to speak, i can't recollect 100% but i should think he would've had considerable problems with wiping his own backside and feeding himself for quite some time, thankfully he disappeared and nothing's been seen of him since (11 years ago now) so perhaps we just moved him on to some other area where he's carrying on his preferred vocation and destroying other lives.
And just so you realise i'm not some idiot who has no sympathy for the plight of so called unfortunates, I've buried 2 friends in the 90's and one 5 years ago due to heroin OD and know of another 4 locals who've succumbed to that final last hit, I live in a small rural fishing town, loads of boys/men with a fortune in wages to spend in a few days before heading back out to sea to work gruesome 20hr days/7days a week for 10-14 days at a time in horrendous weather conditions, none of them ever stole to feed their habit and were genuinely decent folk, fair enough you were guaranteed a massive riot in the pubs when the boats landed but that was all part of the excitement, they knew the difference between right and wrong and stealing to get your fix was abhorrent to them, if the skippers caught folk trying to break into their multi-million £ boats tied up in the harbour? - well......tales of getting dragged along on a rope tied to the back of the boat and dumped out in the estuary to swim to shore or stripped naked, whipped with rope and locked in the ice hold for hours and hours at a time were heard of but not openly talked about, sometimes a name was brought up in conversation such as 'Haven't seen or heard of so and so for a while?" and a nod or whisper would get passed around, i can't vouch for whether or not the stories were true or not but i'd certainly not want to mess with the skippers, their boats are their entire lives, It's quite unheard of to call the police in a fishing town/community, things have a way of being sorted out naturally.
ernie_lynch - Member
He said "you deserve all you get" he didn't specify execution.Presumably there is no limit on "all you get" and it can include anything..........rape, torture, death,
If you break into a house and the housholder is home, I would set a very high threshold of what was classed as excessive in how the housholder chose to respond. Kinky, probably not, lethal? Hell yes... if threatened.
All this 'show me the stats or your argument is irrelevant' claptrap so beloved of the STW massive realy bugs me. [i]Obviously[/i] home invasion with violence is a statistically rare event, thankfully, which is what makes it so newsworthy when it does happen. I also don't agree with the 'come in my house; sign your own death warrant' ideology that seems to be being followed by some on here, a little too wild west for me. We are a supposedly civilised society, after all, and to happily take a life without very good reason is to be no better than the scum that would harm us.
However. I completely support the principle of self defence with a weapon of opportunity up to and including the use of lethal force when proportional to the threat. I think that the bar of proportionality gets set very low indeed when we are talking about home invasion, for exactly the reasons set out previously. The fact that violence is statistically rare is irrelevent, its all about what the householder feels at the time, and I would suggest that it is reasonable to expect fear to figure highly, whether ultimately justified or not. If he can stand up in court and say [i]under oath[/i] that he genuinely felt that the lives of himself and his family were in danger, and the material evidence supports him, then crack on and shoot.
I have very little sympathy for anyone that sustains injuries at thae hands of a householder in these situations, even if they would never have [i]actually[/i] posed a risk of violence, its how they make the householder feel.
Junkyard - Member
surely in that scenario you would have been better of not having a gun in your house and then you could take them in hand to hand combat in the buff like a real man.Posted 9 hours ago # Report-Post
cynic-al - Member
Too right.Then one of you might accidentally stand on a bottle of baby lotion (after your clothes fell off) which goes EVERYWHERE.
The pair of you have been giving this WAY too much thought... 😀
Actually, running towards said "intruder" (fnarr,fnarr) wearing nothing but baby lotion and a winning smile might be a good way of not only getting them to leave but also ensure the word goes out on Burglernet that no 22 is a wrong un'
Sorry to wander off thread there;Off on Holiday for two weeks tonight and happy as a dog with two knobs,so don't mind me; as you were; what tyres for home defence?
The fact that violence is statistically rare is irrelevent, its all about what the householder feels at the time
Hmmm, I kind of get where you're coming from, but if the householder's reaction is based on extremely rare and sensationally portrayed scenarios from media fear-mongering, and violent fantasy (as exhibited by many on here), then that's ok because it's how they felt at the time?
And somafunk, interesting post but are you advocating mob/vigilante justice?
v8ninety - MemberAll this 'show me the stats or your argument is irrelevant' claptrap so beloved of the STW massive realy bugs me. Obviously home invasion with violence is a statistically rare event, thankfully, which is what makes it so newsworthy when it does happen. I also don't agree with the 'come in my house; sign your own death warrant' ideology that seems to be being followed by some on here, a little too wild west for me. We are a supposedly civilised society, after all, and to happily take a life without very good reason is to be no better than the scum that would harm us.
However. I completely support the principle of self defence with a weapon of opportunity up to and including the use of lethal force when proportional to the threat. I think that the bar of proportionality gets set very low indeed when we are talking about home invasion, for exactly the reasons set out previously. The fact that violence is statistically rare is irrelevent, its all about what the householder feels at the time
Thing is, if someone knows/has thought about the stats, they are less likely to be uncontrollably afraid, and there's less likely to be a needless death. Your approach absolves the householder of any duty to be rational.
erm that's kind of the point of justice, it's not meted out by enraged adrenaline pumped people who are right royally pissed at the offender, it's done in a calm considered manner and (supposedly) done correctly.Somafunk:
that just might change your opinions on so called retribution slightly
Lots of here seem to have envisaged what they would do in the case of house intruder turned violent fantasy/scenario, as you are much more likely to be harmed/killed by someone you know I presume you've run through scenarios about what to do if your wife/brother/bestmate turns all psycho on your ass. Shotgun hidden behind the couch? Baseball bat carried inside a trouser leg at all times? Secretly surgically implanting a remote control capsule into all your family and friends bodies that will release a lethal dose of morphine activated by your car key fob if they start looking a bit shifty*?
Or is that getting a little bit silly?
*see you've got me thinking about it too much now
as you are much more likely to be harmed/killed by someone you know I presume you've run through scenarios about what to do if your wife/brother/bestmate turns all psycho on your ass.
there is a reason i always cycle behind you...that is all I am saying 😉
same reason I'm always trying to cycle away from you 😉
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Thing is, if someone knows/has thought about the stats, they are less likely to be uncontrollably afraid, and there's less likely to be a needless death. Your approach absolves the householder of any duty to be rational.
Agreed, and if everyone was as rational and cognisant as you and I then what a wonderful world it would be. But... people don't and people are not, and people are put in situations beyond their control all the time. You simply cant judge someone because if they had had a good think about it previously then they would have acted differently; the only fair way to judge is whether they behaved reasonably at the time of the incident, given the information they had at their disposal (even if erroneous).
The issue of misinformation and prejudice perpetuated by a sensationalist media is a much bigger one...
As somafunk points out at the start of his post, there doesn't have to be any violence involved to leave a lasting impression on the person being burgled. It is an assault.
If the householder exhibits any violence against the burglar it might go some way towards 'establishing control' back, thereby minimising the trauma of the assault.
If the householder exhibits any violence against the burglar it might go some way towards 'establishing control' back, thereby minimising the trauma of the assault.
I'm sure that it may be very theraputic, but unless he felt his life was in danger, he would have a hard time justifying it in court.
We(our forefathers) are not civilised so are some of our offspring who will become burglars one day, we may have the material wealth but our mindset simply cannot understand the unwritten code of differentiating the rights from wrongs. i.e. like not violating others' property etc.,
Bear in mind our forefathers justified stealing in the name of civilisation ... remember.
So until society is civilised some should be culled as simple as that and if you are burglars and got culled, hey, consider yourself lucky to depart from this uncivilised world.
And somafunk, interesting post but are you advocating mob/vigilante justice?
no, I think he's advocating more drug fuelled paranoid delusional fantasies
No doubt he was up to no good, hide and seek or something
There is an elderly couple who live next door to my wifes grandmother. For some unknown reason they keep getting robbed. The last time it happened the old fella (who cant get out of his wheelchair) had to sit and beg whilst the burglers repeatedly slapped and punched his wife because she wouldnt (couldnt) tell them where the imaginary stash of cash was that the three blokes assumed they had.
When I see people on here more concerened about the welfare of the burgler than the victim it makes me sick to the stomach.
You disgust me.
chewkw - Member
So until society is civilised some should be culled as simple as that and if you are burglars and got culled, hey, consider yourself lucky to depart from this uncivilised world.
Sorry, you are an idiot.
That is a horrible account elzorillo, but what do you suggest , to prevent people(sic) doing shit like that. I would hazard a guess that they were desperate types, drug driven-- there is a solution for that, not one that many are prepared to promote for fear of reactionary backlash/ ruined careers .......
of course the other is to tool up every person and just see the mess that ensues, as MSP has alluded to above
chewkw is on an advanced trolling course
That is a horrible account elzorillo, but what do you suggest , to prevent people(sic) doing shit like that.
for those particular types I would prefer execution - plus all those guys on "999: whats your emergency" that beat up on pregnant girlfriends.
cynic-al - MemberSorry, you are an idiot.
See what I mean from civilisation ...
What is your actual solution? So far yours sound naff by trying to suggest a grand utopian scheme to solve society's problems ... it's a bit like passing the buck isn't it?
rudebwoy - Memberchewkw is on an advanced trolling course
Not trolling at all but merely keeping things simple with simple mind (not the band 😆 ).
