[Closed] she won't be doing that again....

No, I mean the way that all the rubble was loaded into trucks and driven out of the city, after the search for survivors was called off, before investigators had the opportunity to study samples. Much of the metal was recycled very soon after. Bit odd, woon't you say?

Nope thats pretty much exactly what I'd expect, and who says nobody was allowed to inspect the rubble? But then what does it matter becuase obviously all the guys working on the removal of the debris were obviously also on the payroll of the CIA, so they wouldn't have said anything if they spotted anything unusual in the aftermath right? So maybe the inspectors were on the payroll too..... I mean where will it all end???

Can you?

[i]* Notes that Rudeboy has on multiple occasions failed to respond to questions of whether or not he believes 7/11 was perpetrated by the British Government. Concludes that Rudeboy is dodging the issue because he knows to answer the question would lead to him being ridiculed or it will undermine his whole argument.

Rudeboy is happy to hypothesise about events in other countries but lacks the courage of his convictions and cannot debate matters closer to home.

Notes that Rudeboy is a coward. Will consider continued evasion as reinforcement of this opinion.
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Go on then!

I await your 'proof' with great anticipation, considering no-one else has been able to 'prove' the real reason for the towers' collapse yet!

Notes that Rudeboy has on multiple occasions failed to respond to questions of whether or not he believes 7/11 was perpetrated by the British Government.

I have responded. Try reading. 🙄 And it's '7/7'....

And I believe it is entirely possible. The evidence presented to the public suggests that it was indeed a horrific act perpetrated by those alleged to have done it. But we don't know the whole truth.

Britain did, it could be argued, need it's own 9-11. And it got one.

As for possible involvement by anyone other than those we understand to have carried out the attacks, well, it is indeed a terrifying thought. But again, I'm willing to keep an open mind.

Whoever did it, are/were evil. Of that, there is no question. But it's a very, very different situation from 9-11.

Am I a coward? I don't believe so, based on the evidence of the way I've conducted myself throughout my life.

But you don't have to believe that....

I wonder if that poor girl was thinking about conspiracy theories when those nutjobs were beating the crap out of her...

I'm guessing that we'll be finding that she was a CIA plant to discredit the Taleban fairly shortly

Rudy Said :

I await your 'proof' with great anticipation, considering no-one else has been able to 'prove' the real reason for the towers' collapse yet!

G said (several times)

Yep but then thats not whats in question here is it?

&

Now you introduced the concept of "alternative theories" all I have done is offer to eat my (unwashed) shorts if you can produce some evidence to back up your fantasies. I'm still waiting, so how about a direct response to a direct question. Can you produce some evidence to support your suggestion?

Sorry son, You're not going to divert me with that one.

PS : Quick while no one else is looking ..... a bit of advice if you don't mind, When you're self evidently in a hole, Stop Digging!

im curious rudeboy

were the moon landings fake too?
does elvis live?
bigfoot?
jfk?

fly a jumbo jet into a building and it will fall down, why do you find that so hard to believe?

the bush admin then went into afgan to take out the taleban thinking it would be a peace of p!ss then carried on into iraq to settle w's dady complex
they didnt push on the saudis where most of the attackers were actually from coz of their oil and $$ ties they went straight for the mouthpiece ie osama
thats corruption, incompetence and arrogance
not the military-industrial complex killing a load of their own
[url= http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0711/banovic-0711.html ]and if you really want to find out about the WTC collapse maybe you should look in some actual peer reviewed scientifc journals rather than tin-foil-hat-blogspots.com[/url]

[i]Like I said to Rudy, he absolutely did have WMD's. No more no less. I'm certainly not going to get into a completely separate argument over that..... well not just yet anyway. [/i]

Good plan. Not even Bliar claims that any more, so your chances of convincing anyone would be slim.

RudeBoy
I have responded. Try reading.

No, you skirted around the issue. If somewhere in your garbled waffle you actually did answer yes you believe it was, or no you believe it was not then I must have missed it which I think is wholly excusable considering the torrents of shit you've been spewing.

Youse're getting boring now, and it's starting to descend into personal abuse once more. I can't be bothered, as you obviously believe you are right, and that's that.

Good argument though. Thanks for the game.

Take care now.

GNARGNAR - Member
* Notes that Rudeboy has on multiple occasions failed....... Will [u]consider[/u] continued evasion as reinforcement of this opinion.

Consider!

ive got a brand new dell mouse that auto scrolls past his gibbering nonsense.
hang on i will find you a linky.

RudeBoy - Member
Youse're getting boring now, and it's starting to descend into personal abuse once more. I can't be bothered, as you obviously believe you are right, and that's that.

Good argument though. Thanks for the game.

Take care now.

Translation

RudeBoy

I'm out of my depth. It's clear to me that to take this argument any further would expose me as an idiot or a troll so I will feign disinterest in order to try and appear to be above the issue despite the fact that I've gone to great lengths to try and prove my point to no avail. I am not unlike a small biy who pretends not to want the latest toy his friend has just received for his birthday.

GNARGNAR - Member

Come on. What about the London bombings. Don't you have the balls to say that it was a conspiracy too? Surely it must be?

i'd say that the UK gov were aware of what was going on. that isn't meant to reduce what happened to something trivial or take away from the emergency services that day (any day) but i do believe that it could have been stopped.

[i]ive got a brand new dell mouse that auto scrolls past his gibbering nonsense.[/i]
Man, that's something I'd pay good money for!!!

[url= ]steel girders at WTC sliced [/url]

Youse're getting boring now, and it's starting to descend into personal abuse once more. I can't be bothered, as you obviously believe you are right, and that's that.

Good argument though. Thanks for the game.

Take care now.

2 - 0 8)

For the hard of thinking:

This argument will simply continue for ever, if left unchecked. I feel no compulsion to continue, as I've made all my points, and the abuse/character assassination that's starting to creep in suggests that people are starting to get really wound up. Gnargnar; do you consider anyone who you don't agree with, to be an 'idiot', or a 'coward'?

Quite frankly, I can't be bothered with this anymore. Let's face it, we're never going to come to an amicable agreement over this, so it's pointless carrying on, really.

Feel free to continue slagging me off, if it makes you feel better. Water off a duck's back, to me. I just won't be paying any more attention. Sorry to spoil the fun.

Bye bye!

[i]For the hard of thinking:

This argument will simply continue for ever, if left unchecked. I feel no compulsion to continue, as I've made all my points, and the abuse/character assassination that's starting to creep in suggests that people are starting to get really wound up. Gnargnar; do you consider anyone who you don't agree with, to be an 'idiot', or a 'coward'?[/i]

Please Mummy, make it stop 🙁

[i]alpin -steel girders at WTC sliced[/i]

and??

i imagine many steel girders were left with sharp edges when hundreds of thousands on tonnes of skyscraper fell on them
and look at them, they arent sliced they are snapped

is it supposed to be significant in some other way?

*adds DrJ to bulk order of uber-mouse*

i will email you when ive completed the order, im expecting this to be very popular - 40% discount for orders over 100 *crosses fingers*

no, they are 'cut'. using thermite.

metal twists and bends but generally doesn't split and melt in the process of splitting.

cutting of steel girders using thermite, which burns at ~2500 oC, at an angle to induce and inward fall of the building being brought down.

read up, don't soak it up.

What if the video is fake propaganda?

what if the propaganda supplied through mainstream media is fake?

tis worth watching Zeitgeist. skip the first section about religion if you want but the second two parts are worth watching.....

Alpin, why don't you read kimbers website? Its very interesting, plausible and factually appears to be accurate, whereas the photo you have posted is at best inconclusive, and at worst a deliberate attempt to make some sort of capital out of a tragedy of epic proportions.

alpin
no, they are 'cut'. using thermite.

metal twists and bends but generally doesn't split and melt in the process of splitting.

cutting of steel girders using thermite, which burns at ~2500 oC, at an angle to induce and inward fall of the building being brought down.

read up, don't soak it up.

How many stories were the WTCs? How thick was the concrete around the steel? How much thermite would have been needed to rig each building? How many men would it take? Why didn't the thousands of people working in those busy offices notice people turning the building into swiss cheese and wiring charges everywhere? Or were the people who died also in on it?

Perhaps someone tele-ported the thermite into the building?

Allied to the point that GNARGNAR has made, they don't just cut the girders to make a building collapse, they actually wire them together so that the weight of the building pulls itself down after the intital charges destabilise it. Its an extremely difficult process which requires months of planning followed by months of preparation, not to mention big bulky sweaty types with spanners and wire cables wandering about all over the building. Generally they will have to remove floors to facilitate what they do.

[url= http://science.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion1.htm ]Think about it![/url]

[i]It goes back decades and is very complex. We armed and supported the Muhajadeen (sp) to fight against the Soviets. In western powers I include ( perhaps wrongly) them. so you have the soviet invasion, the arming of the muhadjadeen, the invasion by UK and USA[/i]

I remember this, it was the plot to Rambo III - no seriously it was!

People will believe anything - some people still believe in god FFS. Im not surprised people belive these daft conspiricy theories. It seems the more daft the more people believe.

Sometimes it requires a bit of effort and intelligence to figure out the facts and science - sadly this is too much for most people, so they believe the lies that suit them, rather than the truth, which may be inconvienent or difficult to swallow.

How about this for an explanation... when they realised that they could not save the people within the towers they deliberately brought them down with controlled charges to prevent them toppling onto other nearby buildings and causing further loss of life.

Likewise "the fourth plane", the one that came down in Pennsylvania, was shot down to protect from further losses.

Killing a few to save many doesn't go down well with most people so these unpalatable explanations are not offered.

How's that? Can I have my tinfoil hat now? 🙂

[i]cutting of steel girders using thermite, which burns at ~2500 oC, at an angle to induce and inward fall of the building being brought down.
read up, don't soak it up.[/i]

well, like you i have no idea how thermite is or is not used in the demolition industry

and lo, it turns out that in the cleanup operation thermite was used, after the towers fell....
[url=

shouldnt stoop to your level here is some non peer reviewed video[/url]

or prehaps the buildings were closed (which they were) several days prior to the 11th as part of a maintenence check. during this all video cameras were down and no-one outside of the maintenence company was allowed into the building.

there is a lot of information out there. some of it put there by normal joe public who are unsatisfied at the answers given by the authorities, who have gone to great lengths to try and unravel pieces of information that do not, in their eyes, add up. and it isn't the average joe, such as you and me. there are people previously employed within government that do not believe the 'official' line.
then there is information supplied by the authorities. generally this is the information that they want you to believe. the information in the newspaper you read. what you are told by those people on tv.

if something is repeated often enough - threat from terrorism for example or the idea that there is an all seeing, all knowing being in the sky that has the power to carry unleash the power of nature, heal the sick, know what we are thinking, answer prayers and created the world on which we are living - it is taken as gospel, or truth.

there are organisations out there way more powerful than you or I.

orchastrated events can change peoples ideas, the course of history.

read up about the Bush family. evre since the 1900 they have been involved with dodgy dealings. GWB (great?) grandfather was a friend of Rockefella and helped set up the modern US (and global) banking system which has had it's interests in wars ever since its inaugaration.

or prehaps the buildings were closed

Or perhaps the wicked witch waved her magic wand and made it all happen overnight even though the building was still occupied 24 hours day even when maintenance shuts down a floor at a time for those really big jobs like removing High Alumina Cement Beams for example.

Get a grip man listen to yourself!

alpin im a scientist

show me some decent peer reviewed data and ill take a look

fact is every engineering journal ive looked with a wtc article in it says yeah the planes flew into it they caught fire and it made them collapse

its not rocket science, infact its metalurgical science, structural engineering and physics,
none of which you are an expert in leave it to the people who are

the problem is you are only getting your information from............... where exactly??

"Britain did, it could be argued, need it's own 9-11. And it got one."

Can't believe you let Rudeidiotboy write the above and not pull him up on it. He would say it's not him that would argued it but then go on to do just that. He's an apologist to murder and a hipocrite.

Not one mention of that poor lass, treated in sutch a shameful way. Shame on you Rudeboy!

He's an apologist to murder and a hipocrite.

Things are really starting to liven up on this thread.

But don't stop now lads ............ what you got to say for yourself RudeBoy ?

No one has applied Occam's razor to the argument...or RudeBoys throat which is amazing.

Considering the governments record in keeping secrets / cover-ups I think something might have leaked a while ago and NOT just some nut-job vids on youtube.

Oh and if the Lizard People / Illuminate are running the world WTF did they pick this bunch of loosers for world leaders?

SSP

No one has applied Occam's razor to the argument

if something is repeated often enough - threat from terrorism for example or the idea that there is an all seeing, all knowing being in the sky that has the power to carry unleash the power of nature, heal the sick, know what we are thinking, answer prayers and created the world on which we are living - it is taken as gospel, or truth.

It seems strange that it's possible to organise a demolition job like this and keep all the hundreds of people involved from leaking anything, yet be careless enough to let people take pictures of where you've cut the beams.

[i]It seems strange that it's possible to organise a demolition job like this and keep all the hundreds of people involved from leaking anything, yet be careless enough to let people take pictures of where you've cut the beams. [/i]

That's the argument that conspiracy theorists never seem to take into account! The Government/Administration can't even keep the details of MP's expenses/a blowjob in the Oval Office a secret, how on earth does anyone think that a Government could organise such an event then keep it secret forever after?! You'd have thought they'd have left the dossier/laptop on a train by now...

But don't stop now lads ............ what you got to say for yourself RudeBoy ?

Well, it seems I don't have to say owt, as everyone seems to know me better than I know myself.

Odd, seeing as I don't think I've met any of my 'adversaries' from this thread....

And apparently, I'm an 'apologist for murder', yet someone wants to take a razor to my throat! Nice. Brave words from a Big Man.

Don't worry, Grizzly. As I said; water off a duck's back.

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[i]And apparently, I'm an 'apologist for murder', yet someone wants to take a razor to my throat! Nice. Brave words from a Big Man.[/i]

chrism wins for correctly predicting that the Occam's Razor argument would be WAY above Rudeboy's head! Well done that man. 🙂

No one has applied Occam's razor to the argument...or RudeBoys throat which is amazing.

Now, I'm sure SSP din't actually really mean someone should take a razor (Occamms, Boccam's or Chockams or anyone else's) to me throat, but that he meant I should be silenced, in some way.

Occam's Razor: That the simplest of explanations is more likey to be correct, than more complex ones. And that extraneous information, and more convoluted arguments should be 'cut away'. So, in this context, involving complex theories of other possibilities should not be considered.

Bollox.

I think the reality of this thread, is that several people have blindly accepted the official line, which does indeed appear to be reinforced with 'facts', and the report is indeed a very professional and carefully constructed piece. Then, someone comes along with ideas that threaten their faith in one explanation, and suggests that they might actually have been wrong, in going along with what they were initially told. This then has the effect of making those people angry; that they were somehow not intelligent enough to see beyond the official story, and that they were not objective and open-minded enough to question the explanation given.

Their reaction is then to try and defend their own convictions, by attempting to discredit others. Yet when challenged themselves, they flounder; unable to actually vocalise their own opinions, as the only ones they have have been put there by others. Angry, that they somehow lacked the ability to think for themselves, they lash out at those they perceive to have this ability, often resorting to attempts to make others look stupid.

Like I say, I can't actually be bothered with the actual argument any more, as myself and Alpin have attempted to provide 'evidence' requested, yet it seems people have conveniently ignored this, and carried on with their own little tirades against us.

Come on folks; you really don't have to accept what you're told. You can think for yourselves. It does take a little bit more effort, sure, but it's far more personally rewarding.

This is just a pointless argument on tinternet. Meanwhile, torture, famine, disease, poverty, war, death all continue. What are we all doing about that?

i still can't see whether the fact that it was 2 terrorist (or 2 US air force pilots or a whole farm of metal eating invisible termite) that got the building down as to do with the public slashing of the girl.

Nuttcase have always exited, in religions or society. And rather than try to find idiotic proof or counter proof or anything against the conspiration theories, maybe people should do their best to help those in need or try to divert as many people as possible from religion or at least extremists...

Odd, seeing as I don't think I've met any of my 'adversaries' from this thread....

The thing is rudeboy, we are not your adversaries we people who find your point of view at time incorrect (and troubling), your attempt to prove yourself right all the time undermines any credability you may have, it also makes you look immature. Comments you have made on this thread have been disgusting eg "Britain did, it could be argued, need it's own 9-11. And it got one."

Short eating offer still holds Rudy, any one piece will do, evidence, (irrefutable) in support of your supposition. So far everything I've seen actually disproves it more than prove it, especially the photographic bit.

Looks like he's cleared of to another thread, this hole has got to big. Pity really.

Comments you have made on this thread have been disgusting

To you, because you jolly well have not read what I've written, propply.

Time for a bit of music...

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