[Closed] selling internationally help me!

depends how much the fee's amount to.

If I'm selling and PP is to be the method I always ask for non - gift payment and suck the fees up.

Provides protection both ways and the fees aren't extreme for the convenience of it all.

If you want the buyer to pay your paypal fees you gotta tell him how much to pay because he will have no idea of your fees, I would say its a bit late now, better to include it in the price to start with

I ask for gift

This ^^^ is where I stop caring. If your choice was Paypal Too Greedy To Pay The Fees then I'm out.

Paypal offers much more to the buyer than the seller, IMHO, so fair to ask them to pay the fees, as long as it's made clear up-front.

Return the payment and ask them to pay again, with them paying the fees (an option on the 'send payment' screen, unless it's changed recently).

Still doesn't cover you against the 'not as described' scam, and could cause the sale to fall through if it puts the buyer off - how bothered are you?

paypal "gift" isn't available in some countries...

Thanks all

I've offered the choice for buyer to pay the fees, if he declines I'll refund and resell.

paypal "gift" isn't available in some countries..

didn't know that - thanks

If your choice was Paypal Too Greedy To Pay The Fees then I'm out.

Off you go then.

FWIW, the international postage is significant on this, which I'm already sucking up, as are the fees. And you know nothing about the price agreed, whether its in favour of buyer or myself*, which is where your opinion starts looking fairly baseless. But thanks anyway.

* I'd get more via Ebay so it's not in my favour to start with.

Just price to include fee's anybody handing money over pp gift is an idiot. Anyone asking for it sounds like a scammer

I think there are lots of missing details here such as the wording of the for sale ad.

If I advertised something for £100 excl. p&p then I'd expect to end up with the £100 in my account with the buyer covering bank transfer fees, PP fees or whatever else. Similarly, if the ad says PP gift or you cover fees, of course you expect them to be covered*.

I don't think it's quite accurate for you to keep saying you're covering the postage OP. You should either factor it into the price, treat it entirely separately to the cost of the actual item or never mention it again.

I usually use PP gift on STW. Been lucky so far but do spend 5 minutes nosying around their post history.

*I recently bought a frame from a classifieds (mostly) user. The offer said £x so as I chose to use PP, I covered the fees. Well, I forgot and the seller only told me once he'd posted it. To repay his honesty, I PP gifted the value of the fees.

Meh. Send the buyer a refund. Explain the situation. If the buyer agrees to the 'new' price, do the decent thing and send an invoice for 'goods and services' to their paypal email address. Easy, [i]and[/i] it looks better to a buyer, all like offering to send an invoice or some shit, innit.

paypal "gift" isn't available in some countries

certainly wouldn't let me do paypal gift from Germany to UK the last time I tried.
That was to a person and trader that I know personally, and I already had the goods, so wanted to do anything that might save him a few bob.
No way would I ever use gift at any other time. Price in all costs in the agreed price, and that's what I'll pay, unless I know the seller personally.

I don't think it's quite accurate for you to keep saying you're covering the postage OP

Au contraire, it's entirely accurate to say I'm covering the postage; it was part of the agreed deal.

I'm happy to not mention it ever again. Or mention it every single post multiple times.

As the thread demands.

Anyone asking for it sounds like a scammer

It was by buyers request that we are where we are with the transaction. I'm also fairly sure he does not consider me a scammer.

If I advertised something for £100 excl. p&p then I'd expect to end up with the £100 in my account with the buyer covering bank transfer fees, PP fees or whatever else

Quite. Price was agreed - before paypal was settled on as the escrow service.

If I advertised something for £100 excl. p&p then I'd expect to end up with the £100 in my account

Mostly I'd expect to receive £100 plus p&p if you accept pay pal then accept pay pal. Gift offers nobody any protection. As a general rule when tesco puts the price on crisps that's what you pay, what they recive is theit problem.

if you want the buyer to pay the fees....would it not be easier to factor in the fees to the selling price? assuming the price is a fixed price and not an auction price

for example...you want £200 for item and PP fees are say £5 then advertise as £205
if you want them to cover the postage say £10 then the selling price would be £215

Totally fair to ask.

Unless it the fees were explicitly part of the deal eg ebay, or somehow implicit in the method you used to advertise or negotiate.

Agree on a price that's a fair exchange for the item, he wants to use paypal for his protection. Why should you take the hit? Same if he said "My mate Dave's going to walk the cash round to you, and he takes 15%." He needs to make sure you get the amount you both agreed for the item.

How far you push it, how close you were to walking away to start with is up to you.