[Closed] Science vs Religion..

This is the meme that always sticks in my mind when this subject comes up:

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It was particularly poignant when i saw it at the time. (the version i saw didn't have the 'massive balls' comment, which somewhat undermines this one)

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It was particularly poignant when i saw it at the time.

It's a bit unfair really. The Nazis did a lot of experimentation on humans during the war in the name of science, but that shouldn't be how you define science.

I'm not a religious person by the way.

Exactly religion didn't shoot anyone and without science the gun wouldn't exist. An arse shot a schoolgirl.

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Nice Simpsons quote

I find the defendant not guilty. As for Science versus Religion, I'm issuing a restraining order. Religion must stay 500 yards from Science at all times.

Nothing expresses a lack of intelligent opinion more clearly than copy and pasting someone elses "meme"......

.......and what about religious scientists, where do they fit into this scheme of self-congratulatory mocking?

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More importantly what is the correct plural for tyrannosaurus Rex? Tyrannosauri Rex?

Nothing expresses a lack of intelligent opinion more clearly than copy and pasting someone elses "meme"......

.......and what about religious scientists, where do they fit into this scheme of self-congratulatory mocking?

Not sure if they're higher or lower on the list that those who copy memes for a bit of fun.

.......and what about religious scientists, where do they fit into this scheme of self-congratulatory mocking?

How is a picture of something which could be interpreted one of two ways in an optical illusion stylee "self-congratulatory mocking"?

I think the poster is trying to suggest that reality is completely a matter of individual interpretation.

... and there was me telling myself I wouldn't get involved in this one...

Religion shot a 9 year old girl

Oh don't talk crap. I didn't see the Pope issuing that particular command, did you?

Some nutter shot a 9 year old girl, that's what happened.

PS I like the OP, very funny 🙂

An arse shot a schoolgirl for religious reasons

Science clearly trumps religion as one is factual and one is not.
Neither has all the answers and both contain plenty of unknowns but only one has a method* for answering them.

* I guess you could argue faith is a method but really this means ignore the doubts/errors/inconsistencies and just believe.

Religion has a great answer for feeling better about your ultimate death.

I could use one of those, tbh,

Oh don't talk crap. I didn't see the Pope issuing that particular command, did you?

I did, however, hear the last-but-one Pope claim that an invisible fairy woman had bent the path of an assassins bullet enough so that he survived it.

Apart from omitting to give any credit to the team of medics who battled for 11 hours to save him, he didn't say that he'd asked his protector why she didn't prevent the bullet hitting him at all...

PS:

I didn't see the Pope issuing that particular command

Apparently it was some bloke called Alfred Lah. Whoever HE is...

Religion has a great answer for feeling better about your ultimate death.

That'll burn in hell?

I prefer that I'll be remembered by my family.

Ah it's Friday!!

Some will be eating fish, others will be bashing on STW - "religious" regularity 😉

Really must be time for a sticky.....

The OP was fun, the follow up was just stupid. Do stupid things like that just please those already in agreement, mean nothing to those who oppose, and push the undecided further away.

Cougar - Moderator

How is a picture of something which could be interpreted one of two ways in an optical illusion stylee "self-congratulatory mocking"?

I'm just predicting the wave of semi-abusive self-congratulatory posts (of which you Cougar have been a prime example of in the past) referring to God-botheres, sky-pixies, child-abusers etc by the "oh I'm so rational I'm a scientist" types.

Well I am a scientist, a "real working one", not a "keyboard warrior ex-science grad who couldn't cut it so went into IT/media/management one" and I find the anti-religion bias here strange & unpleasant when the mere whiff of any other cultural/racial/gender bashing brings out the pitchforks and banhammers.

Guess every "culture" has it's bogey group eh, seems that STW's is people of religious faith.

Happy Dawkinsmas to you all

Neither has all the answers and both contain plenty of unknowns

The difference being that science [u]knows[/u] it doesn't know, and will change it's views based purely on what's ovserved.

If tomorrow someone proved the existence of some kind of higher power, then that knowledge would simply be incorporated into science. Would the reverse be true?

to be fair jivehoneyjive and his ickeisms were mocked as well hilldodger

Science and religion aren't really competing for the same ground.

There's no such thing as "Dawkinsmas", either...

The moment we want to believe something, we suddenly see all the arguments for it, and become blind to the arguments against it. GBS.

Why does it have to be science & religion....? It is possible to have both.

[checks calender/]

you know, I'm sure this wasn't due for another couple of days...

We need to do Helmets, wheel size, death penalty, economics and speeding before another religion thread.

Why does it have to be science & religion....? It is possible to have both.

Of course.

We need to do Helmets, wheel size, death penalty, economics and speeding before another religion thread.

Nah the "making progress vs child killing maniac" driving thread was yesterday.

Anyway it was a funny first post.

Does science or religion have a view on tubeless tyres?

Being an atheist one always thinks I came to this belief because I am an intelligent human being.
Then one reads what other atheists write and one realises that I could be one brain cell above a stone and still come to the same conclusion. I think you'll find that for the vast majority of religious people it's a matter of faith not fact. That it is a moral guide and source of comfort and community. If that works for them and they don't try and tell me or anyone else that theirs is the only true way to live then that's all good.

Curiously (perhaps?) there are people who became Christians because of science.

Just found this playlist - might be interesting...

Ex-Atheists Convert to Christianity

hilldodger - Member
Well I am a scientist, a "real working one", not a "keyboard warrior ex-science grad who couldn't cut it so went into IT/media/management one" and I find the anti-religion bias here strange & unpleasant when the mere whiff of any other cultural/racial/gender bashing brings out the pitchforks and banhammers.

HD, certain things are sacred, just not the ones you might expect!!

Well they generally don't like extra layers of rubber so I guess they like tubeless.

Well they generally don't like extra layers of rubber so I guess they like tubeless.

I find the anti-religion bias here strange & unpleasant when the mere whiff of any other cultural/racial/gender bashing brings out the pitchforks and banhammers.

As others noted anything [ conspiracists for example] that is irrational and without evidence gets challenged on here as it is a largely rational place.
Religion falls into this pool as does racism and the other isms you mention.
This upsets the faithful but no one made them have faith in something that has no proof and we would, and do, ridicule any other version of this
Start a thread claiming something you cannot prove that has no evidence to support it [ except faith] and see how you get treated. Its not about religion its about this being an unwise position/strategy for the finding of truth.

Start a thread claiming something you cannot prove that has no evidence to support it

Show me one religion thread that was started that way...

Conspiracy theory conversations are different - they start by someone saying 'X is responsible for Y?' That claim can legitimately be challenged. That's not how the religion threads on here go. They start by someone saying 'look at all these stupid religious people aren't they stupid' and get rather nasty. That's what I object to.

Its not about religion its about this being an unwise position/strategy for the finding of truth.

It never occurs to you though that religion might not be about finding the truth about the physical universe. That's another thing that annoys me - you slag off something you really do not understand at all.

Show me one religion thread that was started that way...

Your right they all start with conclusive proof of the truth of god but we just like to bicker

It never occurs to you though that religion might not be about finding the truth about the physical universe.

No offence molly but you dont believe what you write and you do not believe in god so I fail ti understand why you bother doign this.
The fact you bother to express a view you do not support is far more annoying than what you accuse me* of ..though of course I only have faith to prove that point 😆

* I have studied theology at Uni if it helps

It never occurs to you though that religion might not be about finding the truth about the physical universe. That's another thing that annoys me - you slag off something you really do not understand at all.

Are you suggesting that religious people understand religion?

you dont believe what you write

Yes I do, of course I do.

You just don't understand what I write!

I'm just predicting the wave of semi-abusive self-congratulatory posts blah blah blah

So a) it hadn't actually happened at all, you just made it up, and b) the first (only?) post on this thread that could be construed as "semi-abusive" is, in fact, your own?

Good work.

I find the anti-religion bias here strange & unpleasant when the mere whiff of any other cultural/racial/gender bashing brings out the pitchforks and banhammers.

Yes, you're quite right, it's all one big conspiracy. We have regular meetings at STW Towers to discuss how we're next going to persecute poor little religion.

The problem with your straw man here is that all of those other things are genetic. One does not wake up one day and decide to be, say, gay, or French. You can't pool religion in with these (well you can, but you'd be wrong) as religion is a choice, a belief, an idea. I couldn't become a woman just by really believing that I could.

And ideas [i]should[/i] be challenged, discussed, shared. Religion isn't special in this regard, any more than what the ideal wheel size is or whether helmets should be worn.

What would you prefer? Censorship? Silencing the masses who express an opinion you don't like? Pretty sure there's a word for that...?

And ideas should be challenged, discussed, shared. Religion isn't special in this regard

Absolutely, but we in doing so we should not be arseholes as I'm sure you'll agree.

but we in doing so we should not be arseholes as I'm sure you'll agree.

I know, you say the same thing every half dozen posts or so on every religion thread. Which is admirable, but seemingly blind to whether that's actually happening or not.

Can we establish, formally, that we should treat each other with some respect? I'll put <mod> tags around it and everything. Then you can change the bloody record and we can get on with having interesting conversations again. (-: If people are being abusive, that's what the 'Report post' option is for.

This thread started with a couple of harmless jokes, was followed by a few people taking it seriously and attempting to discuss the theme raised, and then half a page at least of people complaining about how the thread might go or how previous threads have gone, derailing (again) any hope we might have had of actually having a sensible discussion.

And now I'm bloody well doing it. Argh!

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I'm beginning to believe in reincarnation. I have the strangest feeling I've been here before....