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We aren't paid directly with public money, we're a business that is funded on outcomes in FE. We used to get subbed out to the council to do snow clearing in the 80s when i was an apprentice, great crack that was 🙂
we're a business that is funded on outcomes in FE.
semantics - get the shovel out 😀
I think the big problem is that this year there has been some fairly genuine justifcation for closures. In previous years schools have shot themselves in the foot, I remember last year schools in Rochdale deciding to close the day before based on a forecast that turned out to be completely wrong, no snow.
The other thing I think schools should look to is the argument around pemises not being safe. Fine close on the day of the snowfall but it should be the duty of the school to get the grounds back to a safe state asap. This could mean holding their own salts supplies, subcontractin out clearing services etc. What is not acceptable is staying closed for days waiting for nature to defrost the playground whilst for everyone else life continues as normal.
How does the teacher prove their identity?
General Teaching Council ID?
Most teachers are paid through the public purse, so why not have them clearing snow & gritting etc. when they can't\wont turn up for work?
Want me to clear your drive on my way home?
I've already done it Mike - you can carry on babysitting my eldest for now 😉
but as you're offering - could you stick a brush up your jacksie & clear some of the road on your way in tomorrow?
this is all BULL I dorve 5 miles to an appointment this morning, back home and now at work, also drove my 1 year old to nursery but the bloody school for my 5 year old is closed, the roads are CLEAR in bristol so why cant the teachers get in? if I can then they damn well can, they put up a notice last night BEFORE the snow saying they would prob close.... wow talk about planning a closure, as others say millions are in work today why the world stops because of a bit of now is nuts, its a bit of snow, go to canada and see what they still drive in, the country is full of lazy sods looking for any excuse, funny thing is most of the skiving sods are STILL driving to the Mall @ cribbs (500 meters from me) to shop when they should be in work, oh so you cannot drive to work but you can drive to a mall ... PMSL
This is why!!
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Working from home today . . . 'knowledge and understanding of the world' innit 😉
How does the teacher prove their identity?General Teaching Council ID?
Doesnt have photo.
It's a total lack of moral fibre I tell thee. Some hardcore manning up is clearly needed in the teaching profession 😀
*Gutted as I have to be in and had to cycle 15miles through snowy back roads to get to work
How does the teacher prove their identity?General Teaching Council ID?
Doesnt have photo.
plus passport/driving licence??
and holiday snaps 😆
"Schools
All schools in the Scottish Borders will be closed for pupils tomorrow (Thursday 7 January).
A decision on any further closures will be made this afternoon by the emergency planning team. [b]Schools staff will also be advised later today on whether they should attend tomorrow."[/b]
And who says schools are closed by teachers?
I'm not a member of the GTC and don't have a driving licence. My passport is about to expire and I'm not going to be renewing it.
Stmpyjohn sums it up far betterer than I managed and without angering anyone.
but as you're offering - could you stick a brush up your jacksie & clear some of the road on your way in tomorrow?
No problem 🙂
Can't be arsed to read the whole thread but quite frankly it all seems to smack a bit of "[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presenteeism ]Presenteeism[/url]" the lowest of all modern supposed virtues, the idea that being at work regardless of weather or not you are actually needed there, or if it's even safe to travel should be the overriding concern for all people...
Now I know I should really keep my mouth shut, but I have to ask this.
Do other countries with far harsher winters have this problem?
Now I know I should really keep my mouth shut, but I have to ask this.
Do other countries with far harsher winters have this problem?
Didn't you ask this on the other thread?
cookeaa - Now today in bristol there is snow everywhere, however I can say hand on heart it is not dangerous, as from 8.30 am most roads were clear and possible to drive, from 9.30 they were as normal, so why are the schools closed? why have 10000's stayed at home? my office is open, so are the 10 next to me, the supermarkets are open, all the local shops are open FULL of skiving workers, as I said above, how can they drive to a shop but not drive to work? I laughed today i heard a bloke outside a shop "great a free day off work, I love the snow, oh cr@p the shop is closed, why the fek are they closed" another person said "because they are skipping work like you" he laughed and walked off... ironic
cookeaa+10000 !!!
Oldgit, the stock answer to your question is if we had alpine winters every year, everyone would invest in the infrastructure accordingly, and it would cost kerzillions. Because it doesn't happen very often, we don't invest to cope, so every few years we get an impromptu day to play with the kids in the snow, build snowmen and generally have a bit of fun. Which is fantastic. A day off from capitalism, bring it on.
If it happens more frequently, we will have to invest kerzillions and the impromptu fun days off will cease, which would be a shame really.
Possibly, I do that more often these days.
But I kinda hoped that the answer would be, no they all manage just fine.
Then I would ask what can we learn from our foreign cousins.
This and not just the schools has been the topic on most peoples lips that I've met today.
Litigation does seem a major problem. I was talking to a pub landlord and the issue of his car park in this weather seemed like a Biblical H&S issue. The other thing just seems to be the ability to cope. For example I have work to do, but I rely on supply so I turn up for work reliant on other people doing the same however now it seems I can have two suppliers in the same town and one can get to me without any problems and the other can't because of the weather.
So I'm getting a little frustrated at us/we/the/whoever are not addressing the issue when it is likely this could be the trend of winters to come. For now we let it go as it is hopefully just a day or two of closures, but this could last weeks and weeks you see what I mean.
oh GREAT all south glos schools closed tomorrow.......... how the F do they work that out today?
oooh I WILL be ill in 36 days time so cannot go to work,
Muppets
can you not be over the moon that they get the very rare chance to play in it?
CTR i would have thought a weather forecast and probability of people getting stuck, calling early gives a chance for measures to be put in place by parents.
CrashTest I teach in Bristol are they off as well? Had a great day today. May go on an all-dayer if I'm off tomorrow.
how the F do they work that out today?
COMMON SENSE
Seems it isn't that common eh?
bruneep, does the Academy have a larger catchment than the Primary so the kids will have further to travel?
Back in my day in Aboyne (all of 4 years ago) we'd get around a week off each year (cumulative). It was ace, got to go sledging, boarding etc... didn't do me any harm. Chill out and let your kids enjoy it! It's as if you lot don't like being around your own offspring!
Someone said about what happens if young kids can't get home? Do other schools have parents in the village of the school for adverse conditions?
my school is shut again tomorrow, shame I'm off sick and cannot get out of the house on me crutches.
Getting another day off tomorrow cos the school's frozen. Got to school on the first day of snow to be told to turn around and go home. I didn't decide, don't take random days off, do teach 'orrible scouse sock robbers...Hang on why do I feel the need to justify myself as a teacher to the proletariat?
All you haters suck my snow balls!
bruneep, does the Academy have a larger catchment than the Primary so the kids will have further to travel?
Yes probably does and it was open yesterday and today with a later start at 9am and early finish.
Had a couple of RTC's today, resisted to the urge to tell the lads to whip the roof off tho.
email from HT about closure it was due to (and they knew this at 8am 🙄 ) "kitchen deliveries, due in the morning, for the lunches that day were not going to be delivered until later in the afternoon because of the weather and we would not have been able to provide lunches for our pupils."
FFS! take a PACKED LUNCH. My boy does most days.
Bruneep i bet you are a great fun dad to have, wish you were mine!!
wish you were mine!!
It what way 😯
my dad - as ypu seem such a fun person. Are your kids allowed to play in snow or do they have to study all the time?
Are your kids allowed to play in snow or do they have to study all the time?
Yes and No
You don't know me so leave that out.
Usually the case that the more specialised the job/profession, the further away the staff might live.
Yeah, because schools are few and far between...
bruneep you know none of the teachers you are slagging off but continue with it!!
Appologies Bruneep, I didn't read the post properly!
Not the teachers the reason for the closure.............
LOL My Daughter went to school in the end today
But was told to look on the schools internet site
in the morning to see if its open tomorrow!
im off school tomorrow woooooooooooooo!!!....
well the roads in Bristol were BETTER than yesterday and I drove in no problems, in fact the roads were bloody fine, hundreds of cars out, not crawling, all at normal speed... pmsl
well the roads in Bristol were BETTER than yesterday and I drove in no problems, in fact the roads were bloody fine, hundreds of cars out, not crawling, all at normal speed... pmsl
And you could have predicted this with confidence at 6am?
they closed the schools (for today) Yesterday at 2pm, 18 hours before the event............. jesus even my boss drove in from chippenham to filton with no issues today, the roads are clear so why close the schools? I looked out at 7am and cars were driving fine. God help us when autumn hits and leaves fall.. close them again in case someone slips on a leaf, what about a hot summer and sun burn?
great bit on s glos web
School closure information
All schools in the district will be closed on Thursday 7 January for the safety and welfare of pupils and staff. The situation will be reviewed in the afternoon of that day.
Filton College is also closed
Council buildings
During this period of severe wintry weather South Gloucestershire Council buildings remain open. However, there may be some adjustments to their opening hours which will appear here.
So whats the difference between council workers and schools????????? why can they expect council workers to travel and work but not schools? if it is dangerous for one its dangerous for all. Or not as the case may seem, busses are running, trains are running and gov dept are running. How odd, but I bet as I said yesterday most skiving off work will travel to cinemas, malls, drive to friends or will go out for bike rides..
So whats the difference between council workers and schools?????????
Council workers are all adults?