[Closed] Rugby world cup

Darcy, best ignored. There's a lot of repressed anger there.

So, Ireland's chances against Australia? Or not as the case might have to be.....Doesn't bode well, does it? 😉

Doesn't bode well, does it?

No, no and no again.

And I'm not saying any more than that. 😛

A pessimist is never disappointed, Darcy!

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DD I mean bitter as in anti english. There appears to be a general hatred of the english, its terribly boring and does not really make for unbiased analysis.

AA- I agree Samoa and would suggest Fiji are also capable of beating wales. Although less likely than the upset in 2007 I think, given that Wales appear to be playing better than in 2007..

BUT if Wales do hold it together then they have most likely to face Australia in the QF's, which is daunting but possibly not as daunting as their close run with SA.

WHICH Means possible run in with England in the semi's.... (assuming we come top of our table and make it past France (or poss NZ, but unlikely) in the QF's. I do not relish meeting Wales in the semi's.

CFH - if it was repressed you wouldn't know about it would you. Anyway it's not anger, it's joy when people come along and spout nonsense, as it gives me an opportunity to expose them.

There appears to be a general hatred of the english, its terribly boring and does not really make for unbiased analysis.

I hate the way they squander their rugby talent and play clueless rugby based on the mistaken belief they are more powerful than everyone else rahter than try and develop a game to suit their players.

WHICH Means possible run in with England in the semi's.... (assuming we come top of our table and make it past France (or poss NZ, but unlikely) in the QF's. I do not relish meeting Wales in the semi's.

this is flawed on so many levels, I cant see england beating france and Aus will murder Wales as they wont be daft enough to spend all game running straight at our back row and mideield who tackle for fun like both England and SA are. Aus run great lines from deep a game plan designed to draw the sting of blitz defences like Wales.

I cant see england beating france

Yawn, in your desparate quest to diss the english you have missed the point. I don't even see Wales beating fiji or samoa njever mind making it as far as Aus, but that doesn't stop me fantasizing about a possible wales england clash. Its the only route I can imagine where we would meet in this tournament.

DD I mean bitter as in anti english. There appears to be a general hatred of the english, its terribly boring and does not really make for unbiased analysis.

Can you show me an anti-english comment I've made on this thread then please?

I cant see england beating france

Yawn, in your desparate quest to diss the english you have missed the point. I don't even see Wales beating fiji or samoa njever mind making it as far as Aus, but that doesn't stop me fantasizing about a possible wales england clash. Its the only route I can imagine where we would meet in this tournament.

is it just me who thinks your the one who seems somewhat bitter and chippy? Or by bitter do you just mean "think the England team arent very good and are really dull to watch too"?

is it just me

Yes, a_a, I'm pretty certain it's just you. 🙂

Well I don't make anti welsh/scottish/irish statements every other post like you do. It has nothing to do with how good or bad england are, it has to do with rugby and what it means.

DD I cant be arsed to search, so it maybe that I was wrong to include you. Ok?

oh well 'll have cheer myself up

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Steady a_a.

toys19, agreed. But, I won't let you down, I'll remember to make one before the end of the tournament. Then you can hammer me. 🙂

sorry toys he's just not my type you can have him
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AA, who DD? Nah thanks. Anyway you are not as anti english as teej, I've seen you pour your vitriol and scotland and ireland too...

vitiol to say, England, Scotland and Ireland are all playing shite and seem deviod of ideas. Wales have a plan and its a simple one designed to deal with Fiji and Samoa and given the players at their disposal have done alright in recent years. Scotland I have sympathy for despite what TJ says they just dont have the players.

PSA: Rugby special on 5live at the moment. 🙂 (started at 9)

Scotland I have sympathy for despite what TJ says they just dont have the players.

Better crop of players now than for many a year. Optimism is the only way. Woefully short of quality tho really especially at standoff.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2011/sep/12/rugby-world-cup-2011-england

Optimism is the only way

its not the welsh way!!

Without optimism a scots fan is doomed
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so how about some spite directed at SA then both should have been cited here, the firat happend well after the whistle had gone
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"Talk to your players - And [to the American] you're doing my laundry!"

That was indeed genius, gets pushed over then tells the player he's getting his laundry bill laughing, nice one. Def enjoying the standard of refereeing in the tourny so far.

so how about some spite directed at SA then both should have been cited here, the firat happend well after the whistle had gone

Go ahead you are the specialist.

I've seen England, Wales, Ireland, NZ, Aus, France do plenty of off the ball stuff like that too. And did you see that american shoulder barge. tut tut.

The citing system works well so if Wales didn't like what SA did off the ball then they should have made a point, I wonder why they didn't?

Because Gatland isn't one of the greatest self-pleasurers the world have ever seen?

Oh, hang on...

arent citings handled by a citing comisioner these days? Otherwise I have no idea why wales chose not to highlight these.

Because Gatland isn't one of the greatest self-pleasurers the world have ever seen

Gatland is a cock lets be frank, seems a reasonable coach overall though.

I've seen England, Wales, Ireland, NZ, Aus, France do plenty of off the ball stuff like that too

SHOW US YOUR SAUCES [i]copyright Alfie Thomas just before keeling over[/i]

See [url= http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/mediazone/news/newsid=2047923.html ]here.[/url]
Where it says apart from citing commissioners the teams can bring to the commissioners attention anythign they don't like.

Team Referral

Teams may refer incidents of alleged Illegal and/or Foul Play to the Citing Commissioner for review within 12 hours of the conclusion of the Match but only the Citing Commissioner has the power to cite a Player.

Seems a decent coach. Aye. Agreed.

I'll never warm to him personally. I'm sure he'll get over that though. 🙂

I'll never warm to him personally.

he's a kiwi, a lot of them are like that 😆

I cant see england beating france

Hardly "desperate" anti-English vitriol really.But obviously you feel differently.
FWIW I can't see England,despite all their resources and player numbers getting past either France or ANY of the tri-nations,massive under-achievement IMO. Anti-English? or a judgement based on recent and current form? The latter actually,not that you will believe that,guess I am just a bitter sweaty,yes?

duckman I hadn't included you in my list, given that you said

The English as best of the home nations (giving TJ somebody to be secretly proud of) Us? qualification from the group stages would be ace!

[url= http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/news/newsid=2051601.html ]Naughty Americans in trouble.[/url] Most deserved citing I've seen for a long time. Which was a real shame as up to that point I thought USA were heading somwhere.

In my defence that statement was made before Wales had got into the Saffers. Based on first week(ish) Wales,England and us and the Emerald Stranglers in joint third.

[i]Naughty Americans in trouble. Most deserved citing I've seen for a long time[/i]

Was that the late shoulder barge on the winger?
Was bad, but not [i]that[/i] bad, surely?

Digby's out until quarter finals. My fave player 😥

Was bad, but not that bad, surely?

It cannot be excused as a late shoulder charge, it was a deliberate off the ball charge, possible overreaction on my part. I just didn't like the look of it, it wasn't a manly punch or a proper head to head. A shoulder barge is a bit of chicken manoeuvre, maximum damage whilst protecting himself. Not cricket. Probably revealed my anti american bias, it seemed a bit [b]American[/b].

Ffffarking ITV!! An ad break after the anthem/haka? Why not? One short advert and two idents for sponsors IBM. Infuriating!

Sshhh! I'm watching the stream 🙂

I thought the shoulder charge was well worth a yellow during the game. It was cynical.

Hot knife through butter at the moment.

Japan duly despatched but was a good game to watch, Sonny Bill with a few good touches Ma'Nonu as destructive as ever. Carters replacement not all that. Japenese are great to watch never give up.

I am quite amazed that the regular posters are justifying themselves to Toys19 for being/not being anti-English! 🙄

Toys19 - if you actually bothered to watch NZ v Japan this morning you may have noticed that in the few minutes before the kick off we had to have an update on the English team. Not the British teams, of which there are 4. The [u]English[/u] team. To be honest, I don't want them talking about [i]any[/i] the home nations, I want the talk to be about the game in question, in this case NZ v Japan. It really irritates me that every analysis in every game spirals back to England.

In The Times today there are 5 pages devoted to RWC. 4 of them are devoted to the [u]English[/u] team. Not a mention of Wales, Scotland or Ireland, despite the other games this weekend. Despite Ireland playing a vital game tomorrow.

Now, I know that the majority of the population are English, but I'd suggest that there are also a huge number of watchers who don't give a monkey's chuff about how many pints Mike Tindall was drinking, or that they went bungee jumping. As I've said before, this aggravates me big time and is one of the reaons it always amuses me to see bigged up English teams lose.

What you seem to want is that we take away historical rivalries, sporting or otherwise. Take away the little country v big country syndrome. Ah but we can't because that is the way sport works. That's what makes it interesting. Without any of that you just have two anodyne teams playing each other with no rivalry, and the only interest is on the technical side.

And really, if you think that you can read ANY rugby forum and not see rivalry displayed between fans of different teams then you are very naive.

There has been no bigotry, no nastiness, just fairly gentle ribbing.

Anyway back to rugby.

NZ managed to hammer Japan this morning without looking all that great. They didn't seem to dominate the proceedings although alway looking as if they were going to win, if that isn't a total contradiction. 😉

Slade looks quite poor. (I can't remember ever thinking he's a particularly good player when I've watched S15 or NZ cup games. Maybe I've missed the relevant games). I'm amazed that a country with the rugby resources of NZ have a player this poor as back up for Carter.

NZCol, what's the local opinion of Aaron Cruden? His last few games seemed rather good?

gentle ribbing.

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Toys19 - if you actually bothered to watch NZ v Japan this morning you may have noticed that in the few minutes before the kick off we had to have an update on the English team

If you go to Wales, Scotland or Ireland you will find excellent coverage of your national teams, in England what do you expect.

It isn't the English's fault that many welsh people think that Wales cannot produce a decent enough national paper that they see fit to buy the telegraph. Try a local paper or tv channel, this is a red herring.

I like the rivalry, but I can't stand the ABE attitude, you don't find it's converse in England we always support our neighbours. I never said bigotry or nastiness, that's your projection of it. But I do think that ABE is bitter behaviour. You lot drop the ABE and I'll happily take the gentle ribbing. I like it. In fact AA and I had a decent discussion about 16 pages back but gradually the ABE creeps back in.

in England we always support our neighbours

I've got to call bullcarp on that one, I'm afraid.

It's *banter*, though. Deal with it.