AA - can you really not see the significant difference?
no, or at least not a difference the players can control had AWJ not had Bevingtons support Radike would have rotated more and come down faster
Nonu and Roberts a bit to similar to compliment eachother????
Yes, but having said that Nonu has improved his passing a kicking a lot in the last few years so it would be a pairing worth looking at.
Warburton - lifted him significantly higher and dropped him vertically on his head. the other one did not lift as high and dropped him on his back. His feet weerenot lifted high either
Now these things are the criteria on which these tackles should be judged was he lifted high - feet above head, was he dropped on his head?
In one tackle - Warburton the answers are yes, in the other one its no.
No justification for a green machine player to be in there, even if BOD is better than Roberts - if you don't make it past the last eight, then you shouldn't really have a name in the top 15.
I still have absolutely no problem with Warburton's sending off - it was entirely justified, and the hypocritical whinging from some here is about as tiresome as it gets. The laws are pretty unequivocal concerning that type of tackle. Rolland had no option, no matter what we might like to think.
Pocock is better than Warburton.
I also wish we'd seen more Zerzewski in the tournament (for being absolutely gorgeous as much as anything else - definitely the best looking number 2 in the world) 🙂
Firstly Clerc doesnt land on his head he lands on his neck Radike lands on upper shoulders/neck. AW J drops the player just like Warburton but Bevington keeps hold, I fail to see the differences in height, I think your just confused by one being a close up the other not.
Law 10.4 on 'spear tackles' reads: "It is dangerous play to lift a player from the ground and drop or drive that player into the ground whilst that that player's feet are still off the ground so that the player's head and/or upper body come into contact with the ground."
certainly Radike's upper body hits the ground first, you can also see AWJ look at the ref after.
I also wish we'd seen more Zerzewski in the tournament
The SA sub hooker was the best in the tournament IMO
😆 I was called a big fag for saying that Zerzewski was a looker, he is a hunk of man love.
Pocock over Warburton, Jane over Clerc.
Good to see O'Connor in there, he's going to be an all-time great.
Hard to overlook Morné Steyn at 10 seeing as he's the only one who seemed to be able to kick!
Szarzewski was a looker, he is a hunk of man love.
His wife's a bit of a looker as well....
If ITV's selection of commentators throughout the tournament is anything to go by, then their "Team of the Tournament" aint the alpha and omega of rugby either.
I thought Francois Pinaar was really good, enjoyed listening to him and Sean Fitzpatrick. As for that other tit...
Hels, you are thinking of the pundits( dudes in the studio), I'm talking about this lot
:Commentators: Nick Mullins, Simon Ward, Martin Gillingham, Bob Symonds
Has Sam Waburton done another dangerous tackle, or are you still arguing two weeks after his first one?
Not sure who I was meaning, just that everytime Dalaglio opened his mouth, jobbies fell out.
Has Sam Waburton done another dangerous tackle, or are you still arguing two weeks after his first one?
AA is trying (and failing) to give TJ a lesson in how black is white. He seems to have missed (pun intended) the point that had Wales kicked even half their kicks in the France game, they would have won. The sending off was a moot point two weeks ago.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bendirs/2011/10/world_cup_team_of_the_tourname.html
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IRB Awards:
France captain and World Cup final man-of-the-match Thierry Dusautoir has taken out the IRB Player of the Year at an awards ceremony in Auckland.
The IRB Team of the Year went to the new world champions, The All Blacks, while Graham Henry was named Coach of the Year.
He seems to have missed (pun intended) the point that had Wales kicked even half their kicks in the France game, they would have won. The sending off was a moot point two weeks ago.
I thought a moot point meant it was open to interpretation or have I always missunderstood?
But you keep trying to think something other than what I've said Zokes, it really does make the chips on your shoulder stand out, how you fail to understand simple english is beyond me, point out where I've said the Warburton decision was wrong, or how Wales not taking the points against France has anything remotely to do with the interpretation of tackle directives/laws, then point out to me how the AW Jones Bevington tackle was so vastly different as to not even be a penalty. If you cannot see how this sort of inconsistency in refereeing has serious implications for the game then I'll just label you as a rugby ignoramous like I do the people who think Gavin Henson isnt a talented player.
Gavin Henson isnt a talented player.
A talented player or not, he's a fantastically talented TV personality.
A talented player or not, he's a fantastically[i] untalented[/i] TV personality.
I wonder if Gav looks at how well it went for Wales in the world cup and thinks "bugger I could of been a part of that" I know he was injured but he must surely regret missing so much rugby when he went walk about.
I reckon he must do, he would have struggled to be much more than a bit part player even if he had gone though. It was intresting to read that the Cardiff chairmen decided to try and sign him after having been told by Martyn Williams about how amazed he was at how he was able to perform so well at Spala. I wonder if Gatland will see him as much use to Wales as he build towards the next world cup, he has talked of how he may overlook some older players in the short term.
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Planet Rugby Readers' RWC XV: 15 Israel Dagg, 14 Cory Jane, 13 Ma'a Nonu, 12 Jamie Roberts, 11 George North, 10 Rhys Priestland, 9 Mike Phillips, 8 Toby Faletau, 7 Sam Warburton, 6 Jerome Kaino, 5 Victor Matfield, 4 Brad Thorn, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Keven Mealamu, Gethin Jenkins.
Faletau wasnt in the same league as Harry Ordinary
Have to agree with that AA Faletau was brilliant but Harry is a legend.
how you fail to understand simple english is beyond me
As opposed to failing to read what several of us have said on here: LET IT GO!
Even if you persuade myself, DD, TJ and maybe everyone else in STW that you are right, it still won't change the slightest thing. Pity you've clearly wasted the last two weeks worrying about this so much....
What have planet rugby's readers been smoking? 7 welshmen in their rwc 15, do me a ****ing favour...
Clso run thing but worst commentator was the Welsh bloke, sorry just so bad. Best (and i hated him as a Scotland supporter) Phil Vickery (celeb masterchef too)
What have planet rugby's readers been smoking? 7 welshmen in their rwc 15, do me a **** favour...
Ditto. Welshies were beaten by SA, France and Aus. If they had that many brilliant players they'd have a little golden cup in their hands right now.
LET IT GO!
I think a little of your own advice is needed its you that rabidly refuses to enter a debate about the rules of rugby and how they are enforced and brings is back to the result of a rugby match I've hardly mentioned. Its you that has thrown personnel insults so why dont you do your heart a favour and **** off?
If they had that many brilliant players they'd have a little golden cup in their hands right now.
Indeed, wool tinted glasses. Quelle surpris eh?
AA - we have all told you. Warburtons Red was harsh but fair, non of the other tackles you mention were nearly as bad. Its you that will not accept that its only your interpretation and it is not shared by anyone else at all.
It's been a great thread.
Probably time to lock it eh?
Move on to the next 6N where:
England will appoint Lievremont as coach thereby improving discipline
Wales will rediscover that they're rubbish and lose to Italy
France will be brilliant/hopeless
Ireland will finally realise that the "golden" generation is over
Scotland will score the fewest tries
Italy will wear the sharpest suits
Cue more bloody YouTube videos from a_a.
"Here lads, watch this tackle, and this one, and this one I found from The Valleys Under-Twelve Division 2 West League. Look at THAT. And the ref didn't even blink. Land of our fathers. Gym u vetch frwsyh cwpruywlllllllywmch ****!"
At the end of a great party there is always a good ruck 😀
It is the Welsh way 😉
Was u looking at my missus?
Was u looking at my missus?
Was your missus looking at my missus?
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AA - we have all told you
you and Zokes are not [i]all[/i], you do realise that dont you? And your assertion that Clearc landed on his head is wrong for a start when you compared the two tackles I mentioned.
Do you not agree that the very fact we've had a world cup in which seaveral tackles were unpunished and later led to bans especially by Steve Walsh, another that got a straight red and a ban and led to lots of people being critical of the ref, including many impartial observers, when the ref was entirely correct and that one in the third place game which contary to what you say mights the criteria of a tip tackle (lifted and lands on upper back/neck) we can argue about the height but that isnt specified in the rules anyway. It seems to me the refs are in disarray I am very suprised justice hasnt been seen to be done by calling in AW Jones and Bevington and making a judgement on it and maybe explaining why it was legal.
The final question is, do the tacklers have control over the outcomes of these various tackles, if Radike had been a smaller player like Clerc they'd have properly broken him. The fine line between bans and a good tackle shouldnt come down to how the tackled player rides the tackle.
AA - you are the only person with I have heard anywhere with this interpretation.
None of the other tackles you have shown vid clips of are anywhere near as bad.
Its daft to say
if Radike had been a smaller player like Clerc they'd have properly broken him. The fine line between bans and a good tackle shouldnt come down to how the tackled player rides the tackle.
ThE tackle is judged on what did happen not what could have happened.
JUST PUT IT BEHIND YOU
And your assertion that Clearc landed on his head is wrong for a start when you compared the two tackles I mentioned.
Its absolutly clear from the video clips that the Warburton tackle is a dangerous one according tot he laws and the other one is not.
JUST PUT IT BEHIND YOU
Amen to that.