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If the scottish centre hadnt chucked it at the blokes feet it would take the ref out of the equation. Ref made some odd calls but wasnt too bad. scotland need to make their own luckAllowed the tackled player to hold of for hours hence the lack of turn overs
Forgot to add , since when did a referee stop you taking a quick penalty because the opposition wern't ready............... then allow you to tackle without retreating 10?
I'm in agreement with TJ. That scots team are capable far more than has been demonstrated. Theyve got plenty of talent there. Robbo must go if they are to start challenging. This will be his last 6N I reckon.
When the clocks stopped for a sub to come on?
Thats not why we lost tho
I was hoping the ref would have been stricter on the hands in the ruck as well - Jekins played his part in the knock on on the line at the end of the first half.
Scotland lost because they lacked composure at critical moments
The player the fans scream for come on and show how good they are. Robinson is shown to have poor judgement again. If you are good enough you are old enough. if Robinson was picking for Wales North would still be awaiting his début
Yeah, I think Scotland are on the up, they looked very good for long passages of play and looked much more threatening than last week.
Still frikkin lost tho 🙁
Give AR (or someone) some credit for putting a rocket up Jacobson. Poor 1H, then came out like a man possessed, taking the ball at speed and crunching into tackles like Jamie Roberts.
I am glad that Scottish supporters are putting a brave face on things (although Andy Nicholl is on another planet for over optimism.) Its so much more refreshing than the (past?) England mantra of being overly negative and harsh on their own performance. I guess they became terrified of looking arrogant, but listening to Correy & Co used to make me want to smash the screen. Who was the England coach in those days?
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When the clocks stopped for a sub to come on?POSTED 20 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
That was the second attempt to take a quick penalty at that point. The first one would have put Lamont under the posts. Contrast that with Phillips taking a quick pen running into the back of an unsighted retreating player to earn another 10 in the first half. Why was one ok and the second not?
Why was one ok and the second not?
I know this one. Is it because the ref is always right and can't be questioned?
To be harsh on laidlaw scotland failed to play the game in the right parts of the pitch. Thry also need some centres.
Wales are prdictable without hook coming into midfield to vary the play. Shingler did a good job playing faletaus role while toby played 7 in all bar the scrums. Gethin jenkins was my man of the match until he got binned.
Scotland missing ansbro. They don't have enough depth to get away with injuries and bans like some of the other teams.
Lydiates linespeed and tackling technique are exceptional. Who else should of been m o match?
^^THIS!^^
He was everywhere, closing things down before they'd even opened up. A superb back row performance.
Wales rather failed for me today. OK, so it's a win, but with that dominance, against the yellow carded team, they should have put more points on 'em. Lots more.
But, a win is a win.
Didn't the ref pull Scotland back simply because he had already indicated Time Off?
Does today (Laidlaw's missed tackle) raise the question of whether Stand Off's with rel slight stature can be picked for international sides. Wales targeted that channel as I am sure they will do with Hodgson.
slight stature
Stature has nothing to do with it. Look at the tackling from the likes of Martin and Shane Williams, neither are huge. Also several of the French backs, like Parra, Medard and more. Hell, Wilkinson was hardly the biggest 10 in the world, but my Lord could he tackle and tackle hard!
Size isn't important, technique is. He fluffed it.
Lets not forget Wales were down to 4th and 5th choice at lock, had Shingler who is a 6 or 5 play 7 on his debut, Ken Owens played most the game and he's the 3rd or 4th choice hooker plus Lydiate and Gethin Jenkins playing first games after injury. Wales will struggle to hold england in the front 5 and with Flood and Tuilagi back they could be much more tricky behind. Hopefully North and Warburton will be back for the Twickenham game and AW Jones might make the bench.
Didn't the ref pull Scotland back simply because he had already indicated Time Off?
I said he was waiting for subs to come on but on relection I think he was trying to bin Gethin.
I didn't even spot Gethin getting a card! 😳
Does today (Laidlaw's missed tackle) raise the question of whether Stand Off's with rel slight stature can be picked for international sides. Wales targeted that channel as I am sure they will do with Hodgson.
Nope - . He is a fine tackler usually - in the Edinburgh / London Irish game he made (IIRC) 9 tackles including stopping the LI lock in full flight.
As a small guy you can only do classic tackles not smother tackles- go low which is a disadvantage as they can offload the ball.
Still a better tackler than parks or ROG
not sure the commentators did either, carded by Poite for being on his feet and competing for the ball.
TJ... still not getting what you see in Jones the Scot, that young fullback was rather good though, liked the style he had in making Roberts look silly.
CF/TJ - still even with good techinque it was still something like a 3st mismatch.
I must be going mad - i though the Jenkins incident was different to the re-called penalties. One of the commentators pointed to the Time Off thing though and it was stopped on the TV.
I didn't even spot Gethin getting a card!
Me too! 😳
Still a better tackler than parks or ROG
A piece of limp spaghetti is a better tackler than ROG, to be fair.
AA - Jones didn't really impress today - didn't fail but didn't impress.
I have seen a lot of him playing for his club and he is quick with a good step and good hands. Scores tries well. We shall see.
Hogg did look good tho - another one I wanted to start last week. Must start next week now
teamhurtmore - MemberCF/TJ - still even with good techinque it was still something like a 3st mismatch.
Don't matter - with good technique you it becomes the bigger they come the harder thay fall. As I said in the LI game he took a huge lock down in open field.
Stats again show Scotland had most of the ball
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I could kick a cat ( or a certain A Robinson)
🙂
Don't matter - with good technique you it becomes the bigger they come the harder thay fall.
This works even with bad technique. I once 'tackled' Gavin Hastings in a sevens match by dint of trying to get out of the way as he elected to sidestep rather than run right through me.
with good technique you it becomes the bigger they come the harder thay fall. As I said in the LI game he took a huge lock down in open field.
^^This^^ Shane often shamed much, much bigger players.
Stats again show Scotland had most of the ball
Stats also show that Wales won. 😀
^^This^^ Shane often shamed much, much bigger players.
He also missed a lot too!
Troo. But when he got 'em, they stayed got. 🙂
Bump****ery.
Bumparoonie.
CaptainFlashheart
Stats also show that Wales won.
We wuz robbed. Wrong ref, wrong ball, wrong crowd
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMP!
OTQ: Can someone tell me why Hodgson's nickname is Catflap? I've been trying to find a definitive answer but can't. Cheers. Ps. My dog food pie for dinner was lovely!
His tackling ability resembles that of a cat flap i presume.
The Norwegians have a great phrase for the way that game went for Scotland.
You just shat on your leg.
25 minutes of complete collapse preceded and followed by some half decent rugby. Ref made some costly blunders but not to the extent of taking the game away from Scotland.
I agree that Robinson made some bad choices with selections but for pretty different reasons to TJ. For me I would have started Cusiter and Weir. Theres' not much to choose between a Blair / Laidlaw and a Cusiter / Weir combo but there's less to choose between Blair and Cusiter than there is between Laidlaw and Weir. For me Weir has a great boot and is a better tackler. Good ball in hand game too.
The fact that Weir wasn't in the squad last week and wasn't brought on this week was sheer cowardice on AR's part. I would start Weir ahead of Jackson and not having him in the squad for an international was madness.
Great to see Hogg when he came on. Having a 19 year old full back and a 20 year old stand off coming into the international squad so early is something I want to see more of. I would be starting both of them as much as possible not only to give them experience but because IMO they are the best options in Scotland at the moment.
Didn't agree with bringing Kellock on for Hamilton. He's frequently overshadowed by Gray but he puts in some great shifts as well. I'm not sure if the idea was to bring him on to add leadership to the team but if that's the case then surely that undermines Ford.
Fantastic to see Chunk on fire like that. More of the same please!
Fact is the scottish pack gave wales an arse kicking for 40 mins but you didnt have the running game to expliot it and failed to do the obvious thing and kick to the corners and pressure the lineout. Doubt england will be as daft next up.
This should have happened a while ago
25 minutes of complete collapse preceded and followed by some half decent rugby. Ref made some costly blunders but not to the extent of taking the game away from Scotland.
Very good summary.
Fantastic to see Chunk on fire like that. More of the same please!
As an ex-member of the front row union, I always like to see a prop playing well!
On that note, Castrogiovanni's broken a rib. That's pretty bad news for Italia.
Nasty injury to have, as there's virtually nothing that can be done for it and [i]everything[/i] hurts!
I had one go once, breathing, sleeping, laughing and, well anything hurt. Of course, the day after it happened, my then girlfriend saw me and knowing that I was injured, but not how, ran up to give me a sympathetic hug. Bitch. 🙂 She made up for it though...! 🙂
ON the half backs they should have been played blair / Laidlaw and Cusitor / Weir for sure.
Weir has the longer kick and is more solid a player but less good at distributing the ball, laidlaw more inspirational / unpredictable. I wouldn't have minded either. Depends on the game you want to play
Ooooh; Lawes, Flood and Manu probably fit for the wales game. Wales will still win BUT we could have a game worth watching.
I think with the game plan at Glasgow hasn't really give Wier a chance to show his flair and unpredictability. I've only seen the highlights from Scotland A Vs Saxons but from what I saw he was playing a very open flowing game scoring a good individual try and setting up another with a very confident unsighted tap over pass.
The other thing I like about the idea of having Blair / Laidlaw on the bench is that it increases the coverage massively. With Laidlaw being able to play SH and FH and Blair covering SH and Wing (this happened a couple of years ago from what I remember and it was great seeing both Cusiter and Blair on the field) it gives more options.
It's so much nicer discussing Laidlaw, Weir, or Jackson than Parks or Godman 🙂
Could be bruce - I have not seen the A game. Does sound like Weir was good and I do rate him. Only seen him play for glasgow. Has a good temperament
How about giving him a game at centre?