Fin Russell is capable of being utter garbage isn't he?
I wouldn't say he was garbage today but neither did he do anything much positive - apart from a beautiful offload to set up one of the trys. But nothing like the last euro game he played where he was fabulous
Is it me or does Price go on holiday at times. Glasgow seemed to have the upper hand mostly due to Prices great decisions. He really put cheifs under pressure for both those tries. I thought that they were going to accelerate and win, and then he makes some crap kicks and poor decisions and the game fell apart. By the time he came off it was all too late.
I think it more a case of Exeter dictating the game and putting the pressure on. Its much easier as a 9 to look good if you hare getting good ball Exeter were after revenge and they got it. I think they have payed very well rather than Glasgow poorly
Well you can say that about 2nd half. First half was much closer.I dont think Glasgow were poor in 1st half at all.
Wish we hadn't annoyed them by taking the lead. I have always felt Russell is better the more interested he is, which is unforgivable. Get his Lions test and was peerless, can't be bothered today and it shows.
5 plus 8 I agree . Glasgow were not poor, exeter were excellent
My point is Price looked like he had the game under control, but then somehow he went under and it went wrong from there. Seemed a bit lost, there were a couple of close ups where he had that Farrel look of little boy lost when it all goes tits up.
Then it almost does not matter how good the rest of the team are if your 9 keeps stitching you up it is hard to dig back against quality opposition.
I wouldn’t say he was garbage today
No, overall he. Was bang average, but 2 pen kicks to touch in a row which he kicked dead in the last ten mins was garbage. I think Duckman is right with his view. He had such a dominant pack and back line around him he didnt need to try.
To my eyes Fagerson^2 and Darge and no 6 were killing Chiefs attack, and meanwhile Price was sending ball out into space, kicking well and generally marshalling the game nicely. The two tries were commented as cheifs leaving the door open, but it was more pressure and then Price putting the ball into the gap. I just couldn't figure why he lost control and he seemed to not be able to work it out.
In the first Exeter/ Glasgow game the Exeter supporters had been asked to refrain from the Native American headgear and the tomahawk chop chant. With the exception of a group that sat together wearing them and trying to start the chant they did it. Glasgow have about 5 pipers who play when they run out and score.(TJ's posh lot would play but a harp and a grand piano are buggers to cart about) They got their pipes confiscated on entry yesterday. Exeter; cracking club being spoilt by a bell end owner and a small group of supporters empowered by him.
To my eyes Fagerson^2 and Darge and no 6 were killing Chiefs attack, and meanwhile Price was sending ball out into space, kicking well and generally marshalling the game nicely
Glasgow were just hanging on 1st half,I watch both teams and chiefs were poor 1st half. They kicked up a gear and once our backrow unsurprisingly tired Price was compressed for time and space and unprotected so his game management went. The mental collapse in the last 20 minutes was a worry as a Glasgow supporter but at no time did I think we would win.
England Squad announced for Six Nations training camp.
Gutted about Underhill being injured, the rest look quite exciting.
FORWARDS
Alfie Barbeary (Wasps, uncapped)
Jamie Blamire (Newcastle Falcons, 5 caps)
Ollie Chessum (Leicester Tigers, uncapped)
Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 31 caps)
Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 36 caps)
Alex Dombrandt (Harlequins, 4 caps)
Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby, 26 caps)
Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 31 caps)
Jamie George (Saracens, 61 caps)
Joe Heyes (Leicester Tigers, 2 caps)
Jonny Hill (Exeter Chiefs, 12 caps)
Maro Itoje (Saracens, 51 caps)
Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 90 caps)
Lewis Ludlam (Northampton Saints, 10 caps)
Joe Marler (Harlequins, 74 caps)
Bevan Rodd (Sale Sharks, 2 caps)
Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs, 9 caps)
Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, 47 caps)
Will Stuart (Bath Rugby, 15 caps)
BACKS
Mark Atkinson (Gloucester Rugby, 1 cap)
Orlando Bailey (Bath Rugby, uncapped)
Owen Farrell (Saracens, 94 caps)
Tommy Freeman (Northampton Saints, uncapped)
George Furbank (Northampton Saints, 5 caps)
Ollie Hassell-Collins (London Irish, uncapped)
Max Malins (Saracens, 10 caps)
Joe Marchant (Harlequins, 7 caps)
Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby, 69 caps)
Luke Northmore (Harlequins, uncapped)
Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 34 caps)
Raffi Quirke (Sale Sharks, 2 caps)
Harry Randall (Bristol Bears, 2 caps)
Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 43 caps)
Marcus Smith (Harlequins, 5 caps)
Freddie Steward (Leicester Tigers, 5 caps)
Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 112 caps)
No Ford and Farrell still in there. WHY!
I have the same feelings about Farrell and Youngs, they have been there so long we can easily find fault. But they both get results and are consistently recognised wordlwide as being top class.
Farrell is not consistently recognized as being top class.
Farrell splits the rugby world - those that see what he does think so, those who see what he doesn't do think not
Last calcutta cup game he kicked away a 7 on 2 overlap. Is he the best 10 or 12 in England? or even in the top 3?
Lets put it this way - every Scotland fan will be really happy if he starts the next Calcutta cup match
This made me laugh from a Scotland fan having seen the England squad:
Not having a dread of facing England is weird...means we are likely to be hammered
🙂
Farrell is not consistently recognized as being top class.
Sorry TJ but you and Duckman are not really the arbiters of worldwide opinion...
No - but I am on a big rugby forum that is international - and there amongst the england fans its a 50/50 split also on the guardian rugby and BBC pages the BTL comments are a similar split.
Ask any opponents of England - we are all happy if he is in the side as we know that he will nullify the attack. also Scotland definitely have his number
Have a read on the comments here for example https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/60036981
Or here https://www.606v2.com/t70510p100-english-6-nations
11 mins 15 seconds on this - farrell kicks away a 7 on 2 overlap! then watch the next minute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9raZjouPuRQ
Sorry TJ but you and Duckman are not really the arbiters of worldwide opinion…
I didn't actually get involved but since he hasn't made the world player of the year shortlist for 6 years I will that suggest while not the arbiter,in this case teej IS sharing popular opinion of fans, rugby journalists, coaches and his fellow professionals.
I think he is actually a really interesting case. English Rugby needed a new hero after Wilkinson retired and Farrell was it. good looking chap, model professional, dead eye kicker and " warrier" trouble is he is unable to play "heads up rugby" just follow the script and when the script does not work he is lost.
The "anti Russell" if you like. Want a player to slot the last kick of the game to win? Farrells yer man. But want a player to unlock a good defense? He is not the man. Thats when you need Russell
Russell gets the ball there is at least half a dozen things he can do with it at least one of them utterly stupid. Farrell gets the ball he can only play to the script and takes no chances hence the kicking away the 7 on 2 overlap but he makes many less mistakes
He is certainly a marmite player and divides opinion. Just look at the fan comments which are either WTF is he doing in the squad" or " first name on the teamsheet every time" Nothing inbetween
All I know is if he runs out for the calcutta cup then our chances have just gone up hugely. He is also slow over the ground. ford at 10 with deceent centres outside him or Smith at 10? i would be worried. Farrell at 10 or 12? We know the england outside backs will not be seeing much of the ball which is a sin given how good they can be
Russell at his worst is a far worse player but Russell at his best does thing Farrell cannot even imagine
The “anti Russell” if you like.
Having watched him last weekend, that's a good thing!!
Welsh squad is out too, its shit, oh well at least my expectations are low!
Only when we have the shit Russell 🙂
the 38 all draw really shows the difference. England ran away with the first half. Russell off his own head mixed up the tactics in the second and took the team with him to get Scotland into the lead. Farrell just looked bemused and had no plan B. /Ford got the last minute equalizing score
Scotland Six Nations Squad
Forwards
Ewan Ashman - Sale Sharks – 2 caps
Josh Bayliss – Bath Rugby – 2 caps
Jamie Bhatti - Glasgow Warriors – 22 caps
Magnus Bradbury – Edinburgh Rugby – 14 caps
Andy Christie - Saracens – uncapped
Scott Cummings – Glasgow Warriors – 21 caps
Rory Darge – Glasgow Warriors – uncapped
Matt Fagerson – Glasgow Warriors – 17 caps
Zander Fagerson – Glasgow Warriors – 42 caps
Grant Gilchrist - Edinburgh Rugby – 48 caps
Jonny Gray - Exeter Chiefs – 64 caps
Nick Haining – Edinburgh Rugby – 10 caps
Jamie Hodgson - Edinburgh Rugby – 3 caps
Stuart McInally – Edinburgh Rugby – 43 caps
WP Nel – Edinburgh Rugby – 43 caps
Jamie Ritchie - Edinburgh Rugby – 31 caps
Pierre Schoeman - Edinburgh Rugby – 4 caps
Javan Sebastian – Scarlets – 1 cap
Sam Skinner – Exeter Chiefs – 15 caps
Rory Sutherland – Worcester Warriors – 16 caps
George Turner - Glasgow Warriors – 20 caps
Hamish Watson - Edinburgh Rugby – 45 caps
Backs
Mark Bennett – Edinburgh Rugby – 22 caps
Darcy Graham – Edinburgh Rugby – 22 caps
Chris Harris – Gloucester Rugby – 31 caps
Stuart Hogg – Exeter Chiefs – 88 caps - Captain
Rory Hutchinson – Northampton Saints – 5 caps
Sam Johnson - Glasgow Warriors – 21 caps
Blair Kinghorn - Edinburgh Rugby – 28 caps
Rufus McLean - Glasgow Warriors – 2 caps
Ali Price - Glasgow Warriors – 46 caps
Cameron Redpath – Bath Rugby – 1 cap
Kyle Rowe – London Irish – uncapped
Finn Russell – Racing 92 – 58 caps
Kyle Steyn - Glasgow Warriors – 3 caps
Sione Tuipulotu- Glasgow Warriors – 1 cap
Duhan van der Merwe - Worcester Warriors – 13 caps
Ben Vellacott – Edinburgh Rugby – uncapped
Ben White – London Irish – uncapped
Really short at tighthead, so no red cards or injuries there please. We finally have some strength in depth so a home defeat to Italy is on the cards this year. Delighted Redpath is back in after the year he has had, played 10 for Bath at the weekend and was pretty good, but no Hastings is a bold call especially as bettet is a jack of all trades/master of none. Dargie has been good for Glasgow this year but I am not sure he is ready for international rugby yet. No idea who that Scarlets boy is.
We finally have some strength in depth so a home defeat to Italy is on the cards this year
classic scots fan! I don't rate Hastings so that does not bother me. Russell is only ever going to get subbed for injury so no need for a specialist 10 on the bench anyway. King Blairhorn has been coming on leaps and bounds at 10 so he makes a good utility back covering 10, wing and 15 - I guess that will be his role
Not too much of the Toonbola in that selection.
Really short at tighthead,
Javan Sebastian – Scarlets – 1 cap 😄😄😄🤞😜
I'm sure TJ was telling us recently that you were well stocked for props. Javan struggles to get in the Scarlets match day 23 let alone the Welsh squad and both have some shite props.
That said the bloke is a good honest trier!!
Better than we were. dunno what has happened to Kebble mind you. Maybe Sebastian will play better in a decent team AA? 😉
Meh, Nel is old and slow; but so is anybody unfortunate enough to scrummage against him after a couple of set pieces.
Scrum I feel reasonably comfortable about. I think we will have the English Scrum on toast Genge and Sinkler might be good general players but they are not top level scrummagers.
Scrum I feel reasonably comfortable about. I think we will have the English Scrum on toast
God I hope it doesn't all go Pete Tong for you Scots again....maybe it's my lack of hope for Wales this year that is making me feel this way!!
The odds of something goi g Pete Tong are high.
Fagerson gets int a fight and gets carded. Russel gets carded for something utterly daft. Couple of injuries and boom
I think we will have the English Scrum on toast
Genuine Lol.
Genge George Sinckler
v
Nel McInally and Sutherland / Schueman
Jones has selected for all field game, toonie for scummaging
do you really think the english front row is better?
Genge has been a brute in the scrum in the prem. Fortunately angry genge is back lucky to not be carded. When Dan Cole takes you away to cool off you know it's bad.
Firstly; I have no optimism about this year...
I think Marler is the better scrummager at loose,Genge carries much more.
Kryton57
Full MemberGenuine Lols
Strange, it was widely reported in such notable Scottish media outlets such as the Telegraph how you had been beaten soundly at the set piece. We took three penalties from you last year at the scrum for dropping and popping alone. I would have thought the Saffers had burst that bubble for you on the WC to be honest; why do you think Marler gets to tell a nippy sweetie like Jones when he plays for England?
Looking increasingly likely that Tipuric will never play again 😪
That's pish, how are the WRU at looking after guys like that? For their many failings our lot are good at getting guys who's careers end suddenly Developtment/team jobs. He was a player,to be honest I preferred him to the breadman.
Anyone fancy predictions for the 6N? My record on predictions is a fabulous one of being totally wrong every time!
I think for Scotland it will be 3 wins again and end up 3rd or 4th because of a lack of bonus points
I think Scotland will beat England, Wales and Italy and be beaten by Ireland ( our bogey team) and France
1) France
2) Ireland
3)Scotland / England
4 England / Scotland
5) Wales
6) italy
France and Ireland out front, England, Wales and us could be in any order. Italy bottom.
I would have thought the Saffers had burst that bubble for you on the WC to be honest
TJ was talking about Scotland
Yes thats right I was. How have England moved on? its the same front row. the same front row we had the beating of last year.
Genge and Sinkler you could argue are better in the loose - certainly than Nel. But in the scrum?
Bummer for him and for us 🙂
I'm not at all unhappy about that. It brings the RWC champs beating squad back up to par.
I wouldnt wish injury on anyone, but it could be good for England to really see what they've got if Farrell can't play. Seems like EJ needs to have his hand forced so he (rather than Smith) isn't relient on Farrell.
My 6n prediction = same as Duckman. Scotland will likely win a game that they shouldn't have and lose one that they should have won. Italy for the wooden spoon. That's a shame about Tipuric if it's correct I always dreaded seeing his name on the Wales team v Scotland.
