Wow. Some incredibly poor driving there. I've watched it a few times now and can't fathom how he didn't hit you! He was an absolute delight wasn't he.. lovely character, and very protective of his company van.
They took that one way more seriously, I could almost hear the glee in the company response email, I think they wanted to sorth this guy as much as I did.
It's actually quite hard to get as far as disciplining an employee without some evidence to support the allegation. They may have a few reports but without proper evidence it's hard to make it stick, just one word against another. I wouldn't want to face a work disciplinary without them having some evidence against me, tbf
Askins refridgeration dont appear to have a Twitter. Shame.
I clearly misread!
OP
Shocking driving and behaviour afterwards. Well impressed you kept at it and kept your cool.
Please disseminate the video as widely as possibly ( once you've edited out the 4 minutes of just riding along)
thegeneralist
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Shocking driving and behaviour afterwards. Well impressed you kept at it and kept your cool.
Please disseminate the video as widely as possibly ( once you’ve edited out the 4 minutes of just riding along)
This!
Facebook too. Looks like a family run business.
The problem in dealing people who offer you out for a fight for trivial reasons is that they’re generally considerably more practised at it than you are.
Not true in my experience. The ones like that gormless **** in the link are all mouth and no trousers as my Grandad would say. The ones who are going to get violent normally just go straight to that. No preamble at all. He was just full of adrenaline and short on intelligence.
Well done for staying calm under the constant barrage of “middle of the road” I’d have hit the stupid **** a few times and then deleted the footage.
Get it up on YouTube and any other platform you use. That was disgraceful and extremely dangerous driving. Guy deserves to be seen and ridiculed for his shit driving. Just glad you didn’t get hurt OP. I’d also post to the company and request a response from a director.
I've employed them on a few jobs. The main guy is a lovely bloke. He will be mortified when he see's that.
I’ve employed them on a few jobs. The main guy is a lovely bloke. He will be mortified when he see’s that.
Maybe give him a heads up about this thread before we start spreading it far and wide?
Guys, I forwarded a link to this thread to the company and they responded quickly - sounds like they're quite shocked by it.
Quoting "this particular employee hasn’t worked for us for nearly a year now. We take these matters very seriously and now have no opportunity to resolve the matter as it was so long ago and the staff member in question has left our employment.
Had this been brought to our intention sooner, we would have taken swift action and we would of course cooperate with any authorities that wish to pursue action against this person, we don’t tolerate this behaviour from anyone."
He did comment on links being left on their facebook page. If is was anyone from here please stop!
OP @ossify - I'd suggest to get in touch with them directly. Their email is on their website. It sounds like this might be a good way to take this forward re the actual driver while not dragging the company through the mud.
Quoting “this particular employee hasn’t worked for us for nearly a year now. We take these matters very seriously and now have no opportunity to resolve the matter as it was so long ago and the staff member in question has left our employment.
Had this been brought to our intention sooner, we would have taken swift action and we would of course cooperate with any authorities that wish to pursue action against this person, we don’t tolerate this behaviour from anyone.”
Not buying it if the police came to them about a driving offence and more while in a company van and they furnished at least full name and address. Weren't they in the least curious at the time?
If the company took it at all seriously that dickhead would be in the owners office 0800 monday morning with the investigating officer in attendance.
Gross misconduct, immediate dismissal
Then caution and accompany to policecstation for interview under caution.
The fact they didnt, and only g,a.s now its on social media and mightvaffect their business directly shows they dont care.
Not buying it if the police came to them about a driving offence and more while in a company van and they furnished at least full name and address. Weren’t they in the least curious at the time?
There are two options here.
Company is lying.
Police are lying.
Ignore me. 🙂
It sounds entirely possible that the police took so long getting going with this that by the time they spoke to the company the driver had left and moved.
I’m not saying that this is the case, but I really think the OP should get in touch with the company and get this straightened out before people start with the social media stuff.
Edit - in any case it sounds like the police know the identity of the guy already as they went to his old address. I can’t believe that why can’t find him. They’re the police after all!
I think that the company has to be given the benefit of the doubt here. It was several months after the accident that the police obtained the person's address from the company so he may well not have been an employee at that point.
Personally I would be satisfied if the company apologised, used the footage as a training tool for their drivers and maybe put those "how's my driving - call xxx" stickers on the back of their vehicles.
The fact they didnt, and only g,a.s now it's on social media and mightvaffect their business directly shows they don't care.
This ( with added apostrophes natch)
Exactly
Police ring or attend a workplace, allegations of road rage, dangerous driving, threatening behaviour, race hate etc. With. Video. Evidence.
Any manager would co operate fully aftet viewing the video to co-oberate the accusation.
They should, imo, obtain name and address of complainant, contact said person, eat some humble pie, force bullyboy to hand write a letter of apology, before hamding him his p45.
In the rob world of business management tjat is. Courses available online for remote learning and, if you graduate, you get a sticker ( full colour mind)
Police ring or attend a workplace, allegations of road rage, dangerous driving, threatening behaviour, race hate etc. With. Video. Evidence.
Any manager would co operate fully aftet viewing the video to co-oberate the accusation.
They should, imo, obtain name and address of complainant, contact said person, eat some humble pie, force bullyboy to hand write a letter of apology, before hamding him his p45.
I fully agree.
But what happens if the employee has already left, which sounds like it might be the case here?
If the police rolled up asking about someone driving one of my company's vans, I'd certainly be curious as to why! But they did provide a name and address. Is it possible the police would simply ring up and ask for details saying it was to pursue a possible motoring offence, not mentioning the rest, and they just assumed speeding or whatever?
The response posted up there seems to pass the attitude test, at least. If they are decent people, as Lowey says, perhaps we should give them a chance to get in contact with OP and have a conversation before getting the pitchforks out on their business.
how’s my driving – call xxx” stickers on the back of their vehicles.
Used to prevent anyone calling as it is not lawfully possible to note the number to call and the reference whilst driving solo. A passive aggressive "sorry, not sorry" if you will.
OP. PLEASE contact the company directly to discuss and then report back here, so that we can avoid either
(a) Letting it go if we're being fobbed off, or
(b) Creating issues for the company in an unfair, unreasonable, damaging way.
I personally think that the company has done nothing wrong here - the company say that the police only contacted them 2 months ago by which time the employee had long since left, and only ask for details for a potential driving offence.
It's not my place to say that as a fact - I've overstepped the mark in making contact already so OP please pick this up from here. If you want the contact details of who I was talking to please PM me and I'll pass them on (to the OP only obviously).
Thank all
Mark
I personally think that the company has done nothing wrong here
I disagree, they put a brainless, dangerous moron in charge of a van, **** them, they made the bed
I do plan to get in touch with them before anything else, just haven't managed yet.
@markwsf - PM sent, thanks.
@ossify - replied to your PM with the name and email address to get in touch with.
Let us know how you get on !
Ok email sent let's see what happens.
I have checked the dates and the police only actually viewed the video in June, so first contact with Askews was in writing to get driver details (don't know exactly what they said) at the end of June.
Jeez, dunno how you had the patience to stand there and let that fool shout at you like that! Just goes to show there are zero intelligence requirements before you can be put in charge of something capable of killing someone.
Company should offer to buy the video off the OP and use it in their staff induction training.
Short summary of response from the company:
- Apologies, they are keen cyclists/motorbikers themselves, they take all driving offences very seriously, etc
- Driver left their employment soon after the incident
- They supplied to the police the driver's name, address, mobile number, and details from the van's gps tracker.
- They asked what the issue was but police would not say
- They would have done something if they knew sooner
- Apparently this is a "slanderous forum"
- Spreading the video online is unfair because they did nothing wrong and did not even know about it
- Threats of legal action if the video keeps spreading (I have now disabled the above link)
No comment from me for now. Will not be able to post for a day or 2 anyway.
they are keen cyclists/motorbikers themselves
not that ol' ****ing chestnut every time someone tries to kill me with their car they come out with that bollox.
Threats of legal action if the video keeps spreading
Sound like pricks.
I would send the video to Cycling weekly. They can try suing them if they like.
Threat of legal action for sharing that video!!! On what possible grounds? It's an entirely factual account of the event.
Basically they are using that to bully you. A little bit like the employee tried to bully you. I spot a pattern here..
I was kind of on the fence about it when they appeared to have apologised, however the threat make me think 'xxxx them'
I also find it astounding that I can avoid being hauled up by the police simply by changing address. If I'd known that before my last house move I could have got up to all kinds of enjoyable shenanigans safe in the knowledge the police would never be able to trace me...🤔🤔
Sound like pricks.
100% this. They're not bothered about the shocking behaviour of one of their employees, or what went wrong or how to prevent it happening again.... they just want to shut down any mention of what was done by their company and prevent any comeback on them
Threats are cheap... A cease and desist letter will cost money.
they did nothing wrong and did not even know about it
Ah right. The complete ignorance defence.
I do quite like being a member of a 'slanderous forum', though.
There is zero legal jeopardy for the OP publishing the video, or anyone else sharing it, unless it is accompanied by a commentary which is false and defamatory. It was filmed in a public place, and has not been edited to present a false impression.
The company is clearly panicking about it, but they might as well not bother apologising if they are going to threaten OP in this way.
There's nothing sladerous or libelous against the company in that video footage. But, you could easily edit it to hide the company name and share it that way.
road.cc for an edited version and the story of how the police have the name and address as supplied by the company, yet still took no action.
But, you could easily edit it to hide the company name and share it that way.
I was thinking that too. But then they started threatening legal action and I thought, why bother?
Threats of legal action if the video keeps spreading (I have now disabled the above link)
What legal action could they take? None, tell them to jog on!
Aye need to spread the video more now !!
Oh dear, apologies for bullying behaviour from a rogue employee and then bully you directly.
– Spreading the video online is unfair because they did nothing wrong
To be honest, I think it's unfair to blame the company for the attitude of one driver who is no longer in their employ.
I do think however that it's perfectly fair to blame them for their shitty attitude subsequently.
and did not even know about it
That being the case, how could they have
supplied to the police the driver’s name, address, mobile number, and details from the van’s gps tracker.
for something they didn't know about?
– Threats of legal action if the video keeps spreading (I have now disabled the above link)
If they are threatening legal action, they might first want to learn the difference between slander and libel. That's not the most robust of foundations for a case.
Nobbers. They could very easily have made this right, I had every sympathy for them until that bullshit non-apology.
