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That’s the really relevant bit.
but the rape bit is interesting as well because if true it will add to the anecdotal evidence that Karma is real and actually works 🙂
I'm not ready to accuse a dead man of anything, especially based on the word of the bloody Mail and Sun!
Trying to forget I share a hobby with the guy, I find it hard to square the idea of this guy who everyone who knows him now, including his Dad, Partner and MIL who seemed to adore they guy with someone who was just pure evil years ago, it doesn't work like that in my experience.
Some people die and the world is a poorer place for it
Some people die and the world is a better place for it
Not relevant either way to the issue though.
Ffs you sound like a proper paediatrician lyncher.
Most bizarre comment for a long time...
Most bizarre comment for a long time…
Its a news story from a while back
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/901723.stm
also Jerry St clair did a brilliant deadpan 1 liner in Phoenix nights
“I haven't seen them this excited since they printed that paedophiles address in the paper
Yeah **** the rule of law and restorative justice, killing people you don't like is much more fun and civilized. Let's all celebrate the death of another human being.
Whooooo
Was it murder ?
I think there is only one person who can answer that question.
I’m confused now. Are we still angry because French people like drinking and shooting or is it okay if they shoot someone who might have committed a sex offense / is a paediatrician?
Are we still angry because French people like drinking and shooting or is it okay if they shoot someone who might have committed a sex offense / is a paediatrician?
1) shooting people is wrong.
2) there's a certain sense of karma if the allegations against this man are correct.
So we can be angry about 1) whilst feeling a bit 'meh' about the loss of this particular life because of 2)
If true it makes the outcome less tragic
But as already mentioned I hope that this doesn't distract from the fact that ultimately the hunter or bullet didn't know the guys past. It could as easily been someone else who is a perfectly decent innocent individual. Next time it happens in all likelyhood it will be.
Read the statement from the girlfriend and dad, not just the headlines in DM and Sun.
After watching a program years ago on how the sun twist stories I wouldn't believe a ****ing thing they printed and I believe the Daily Mail even less.
It's also in the metro. Seems a very extreme story for the paper to make up. It's either true, or the people saying it are the ones at fault imo
The Metro will just be quoting the same people as everyone else.
It sounds extreme, but the fact that you can't libel dead people makes it easier for the paper to rush to publication without even trying to verify something which is based on the word of two related people.
Might be true, might not. But I'm sure we should all be able to empathise with how awful it would be to lose your partner of several years in such a way and then have something like this printed out of the blue a few days later. I feel terribly sorry for her.
There's not just the mother and the sister, but also the ex-girlfriends, one of whom he reportedly went to prison for beating. If the story about him serving time for attacking his ex is true, then it's quite easy to believe the rest. Well, it's depressingly easy to believe regardless - of all the women I know who have been raped or abused, only one spoke to the police. Abusers and predators are often quite capable of being utterly charming and charismatic when they need to be.
That said, it doesn't alter the fact that he should have been able to ride his bike without randomly being shot.
The amount of people citing Karma as an actual thing is amazing. Really?
Genuine question here, do you guys actually believe in the concept of Karma?
In my humble opinion it simply doesn’t exist. If it doesn’t find and punish those that profit from misery, then I don’t think it will come looking for the likes of me any times soon.
edited for spelling
do you guys actually believe in the concept of Karma?
No, it's bollocks.
Pretty sure you mean citing rather than sighting. If I'd sighted karma I'd know it existed.
Edited the spelling, cheers. I struggle with my spelling sometimes
Karma? I barely believe in Korma!
What a shitshow, as Marc Sutton’s Dad said, he’s not here to defend himself, there will never be an investigation into the allegations.
I be interested to know if he did 6 months for assault, but it feels a bit sordid now.
But as already mentioned I hope that this doesn’t distract from the fact that ultimately the hunter or bullet didn’t know the guys past.
Or did they?
Makes you think.
There’s not just the mother and the sister, but also the ex-girlfriends, one of whom he reportedly went to prison for beating. If the story about him serving time for attacking his ex is true, then it’s quite easy to believe the rest.
Not sure there's been any proof of the prison claim.
His girlfriend, her mother and his father all claim it's a pack of lies and there's a family fued going on.
Still the only sources for the allegations are via DM/Metro and the Sun.
I believe in karma.
My ex left me for no other reason than to be with someone with more money. She admitted adultery to my solicitor & said she wanted none of my assets (seeing as I was slowly going bust)
FF 12 years & her (very rich) bloke left her for someone else, going 'bankrupt' at the same time.
She's now in a rented terraced 2 bed house with a wayward daughter, 2 grandkids & a Labrador & no job, living on benefits.
I've got a nice detached 3 bed house, a lovely wife & no mortgage. Not millionaires but wer'e ok.
What goes around, comes around.
Rape and assault claims now reported on the BBC website, nothing new added, just cross quoting from The Sun.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-45887227
I’m glad that things worked out that way for you. But that’s just one asshole meeting another asshole. (Her and him)
and to suggest some cosmic force put her in her situation would also suggest it put you in yours. And that’s doing you a disservice
I would wager your hard work, morals, eithics put you there. Not karma.
If karma existed, in the way it’s spoke about so regularly. Wouldn’t anyone who had ever made money selling weapons, big pharma, drugs, slaves etc all be dead or on the bones of their ass.
Im not being argumentative, I just find it a fascinting discussion
Blimey, that all seems a bit messy.
Regardless of who was shot perhaps a change in the law will happen.
Most bizarre comment for a long time…
As Kimbers said it was a comment on believing whatever the media tells you and whipping you into some good old outrage rather than employing the slightest critical thinking. Nothing proven and already the easily led are lining up to piss on his grave.
Maybe the father was in on it too ? All very murky but some serious allegations flying around. Sure truth will come out in due course.
Surely, "karma" would have involved a Deliverance type scenario involving said hunters.
Whee, whee!
I personally believe karma leads to people who believe unsubstantiated accusations from tabloids, ending up, (possibly) looking really stupid.
The guy may be guilty, but, the sun and mail have a long history of making things up, and Ruining people's lives, to sell papers.
Regardless of the back stories I find the whole thing totally terrifying, we are out in Morzine at the the moment and the weather has been stunning now for over a week.
This prompted me to start looking for a couple of bikes to hire for me and my wife,but after a few conversations with people who live out here I’ve decided against it.
Even the locals stay away from marked hiking trails etc for fear of being shot, the typical rationale from the french hunters is that their ancestors have hunted in these woods for centuries without boundaries so no one is is gonna tell them when and where they can’t shoot !
During the drive over here we were also stunned to see rows of guys with dogs and guns driving wildlife out of a field and shooting at it , the field actually bordered the motorway .Can you imagine that happening at the side of the M1 or M25 etc?
Crazy
Can you imagine that happening at the side of the M1 or M25 etc?
Yup.
i was riding along a road beside the M5 two weeks ago, some shooting going on in neighbouring field, at one point some shot rained down around us. Bit further over it’d have been raining down on the M5....
May not be well known or obvious to all but the danger of shotguns and rifles are not in any way comparable. Boar and deer hunting is the latter. Grouse and pheasant (common in the UK) is the fomer. There's a bit of deer stalking in Scotland but it's a very different affair from drunkards stumbling around in forests taking pot-shots in the general direction of boar-like sounds.
a bit of deer stalking in Scotland
Bit?
Well it's not like we're all tramping over the place with a .243 to hand is it?
Are we still angry because French people
Yes.
There’s a bit of deer stalking in Scotland but it’s a very different affair from drunkards stumbling around in forests taking pot-shots in the general direction of boar-like sounds.
Yes, deer stalking will be done under the supervision of a professional stalker, who knows the area intimately and is responsible for making sure any shooting is done safely.
Locally, I've only ever witnessed a grouse shoot, on a few occasions. They openly drink whisky, before and after lunch, and also openly shoot over a road, albeit a very quiet singletrack one.*
A bunch of boorish, singing louts.
A few short miles from your hometown squirrelking.
*gamekeeper let's me build as I wish, as long as I'm not around during shoots, so I don't moan really.... 😊
deer stalking goes on in England. the deer in england are much bigger than the highland ones.
You can go deer shooting in Oxfordshire.
My only experience of the hunting fraternity was when beating on a shoot as a kid.
A group of Italian guns came to one shoot. It was stopped before it started. The Italians started shooting at anything that moved, even well before they were anywhere near the butts. Rabbits, songbirds, the works. Despite being taken to one side with the Head Gamekeeper and given a talk on british shooting etiquette initially, and then a stern final warning. "We are here to hunt" was the response, somewhat different to a what we expected.
Blimey, that was an unexpected twist.
While I hate the Daily Mail as much as anyone and find their presentation of that story quite inappropriate, they and The Sun don't just make quotes up in situations like this.
It's clear the mum and sister have very strong feelings and - as Mrs Toast says - with the supporting evidence of what appears to be a domestic violence conviction and another aggrieved ex-GF,things are pointing a certain way.
The editorial staff will have felt that they were on pretty solid ground to run that. Would people feel differently if he'd been a 1970s Radio 1 DJ rather than an MTBer?
I noticed that the Mail was desperately trying to row back the story yesterday. I won't link for obvious reasons. But they claimed to have checked both magistrates and Crown Courts for the domestic abuse conviction and couldn't find it.
Also had talked to a load of people about the mother and received a distinctly unflattering portrait. She apparently got 5 grand off the Sun for their original 'exclusive'.
It's still a Mail story, so to be taken with the proverbial pinch of salt, but it certainly should make anyone wary of jumping to conclusions about this bloke.
Nobeer, if its the estate of L G*** that'll be pheasant, be bloody lucky to get grouse up there. Shooting over a road with shot, as said, is a different story to bullets. Can't say I'm impressed with drinking though its still not the same as the French hunters by all accounts (looking at terrain, discipline etc.)