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It would be a shame for people's first response to be to boycott the Morzine Valley as a result of this tragedy. Remember there are loads of people in the pds towns just like Marc who rely on people like us for their livelihoods, not least of all his partner. As his friends have said on other social media, Marc would want people to get out and ride and hike and continue to make the most of the mountains and hopefully be part of getting the current situation changed for the better.
There is a movement to try and change the hunting laws at least locally if not nationally You could do this a lot worse than write to the marie of Morzine or montriond expressing your concerns. I will be handing delivering my own letter next week.
In respect of personal safety another local has sourced some hi visibility riding/hiking shirts at cost and available through Morzine source magazine #rideformarc but remember for most visitors your visit will not coincide with the hunting season.
For those like me that do spend some interseason time around there there's an app called Chasseco that shows hunt areas and dates. It covers the whole country so may be of use to you wherever and whenever you go.
Some links for my previous post that I couldnt paste on my phone:
https://www.morzinesourcemagazine.com/product/rideformarc-jersey/
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.axory.chasseco&hl=en_GB
http://www.mairie-montriond.fr/Francais
Who knows what happened - did they have an arguement - did they have history - either way I have cancelled my trip to Morzine for next June.
Also Guns have no place in Society and should only be used by criminals and the state.
Who knows what happened – did they have an arguement – did they have history – either way I have cancelled my trip to Morzine for next June.
Did you read the articles posted? They tell you most of it and certainly don't indicate any kind of premeditation or intent, just negligence and poor judgement which is inexcusable.
either way I have cancelled my trip to Morzine for next June.
Good troll
+1 for stoners post
I've seen and heard a few guns and hunts in Corsica & Cyprus over the years but the nearest I got to getting shot was surprising a local pheasant shoot just as sir Edward Dashwood was taking aim across the bridleway I was on - I tend to just give any local shoots a wide birth now days. My heart goes out to Marc and his family 😞
Apologies
Something not seen on the internet very often, so well done.
I have cancelled my trip to Morzine for next June
Why? They don't hunt in June. That's a really knee-jerk reaction which the locals would neither need nor want.
As much as I applaud their initiative with those jerseys, when the next walker/hiker/rider gets shot in error will their be blame attributed if they are not wearing hi-vis?
Well I do know those involved so please keep this post on track if it continues for the sake of friends and family.
If you want to constructively help and don't agree that the laws for hunting in France are as well established as should be in areas that have active sports year round then please take a look at the facebook page Chrissy has setup:
The long and short of it is there is an app that tells you areas that are "active" however the app is neither accurate or well advertised. The hunting takes over the Morzine area for 4 days a week (inc sat and sun) and runs over into the ski season (Jan).
The laws in my opinion are too loose and the risk should be mediated near tracks that are actively used by walkers or bikers (be it certain safe zones to share the area or a much clearer show of activity).
I have a lot of friends and clients in Morzine and they are actively doing their best to help clarify these rules.
I feel everyone can agree whether pro hunting or not that laws at present are lack luster and dangerous to locals and tourists visiting within the hunting season.
BTW that app is only for the Haute Savoie départrment and not the entire country as stated higher up the thread. I understand that there are similar apps for the Ardèche and Drôme, but the information is only as good as long as it's being provided and updated regularly. If the hunters in these areas are anything like the ones in my locality, I wouldn't be using it to plan my rides.
thanks for that ocrider, I hadnt noticed it stops when you scroll too far away.
No worries, Stoner.
AFAIC the only accurate way of knowing about organised group hunts is by checking the notice board outside the mairie where they have to be displayed (they don't all publish them online, although larger communes will)
at least I wont have to worry next week as Morzine Marie has followed the lead of the Montriond Marie and suspended all hunting for now. If only it could be made indefinite...
In my place they only hunt certain days, always same weekly
There would be revolution if they tried to ban it . Hunters own a lot of land and they are quite happy to let sporting events go through.
Why? They don’t hunt in June. That’s a really knee-jerk reaction which the locals would neither need nor want.
Because the post was clearly sarcasm that went whooshing over several heads?
Ah well, that certainly went over my head. I didn't realise the topic had got onto sarcasm and jokes just yet.
Because the post was clearly sarcasm that went whooshing over several heads?
Really I'd say either out of line/bad taste or misinformed Certainly doesn't read as sarcasm
Certainly doesn’t read as sarcasm
I'm with you on that.
Ambrose - I’m pretty certain that I have ridden where Marc Sutton was shot, dropping down from Super Morzine to Montriond. IF it is where I think it is, I seem to recall that there are small signs dotted around that give the permitted times and dates of hunting. They are not warning signs however. Even if they were warning signs though, it would not be the rider’s fault in the event of an accident, surely.
So have I - 8 weeks ago in fact. We came across that way uphill! from Super Morzine, missed the sharp left back to Morzine and ended coming down (walking) a goat track in the woods to Montriond. As you say, lots of little signs about hunting periods in the woods…...
Because the post was clearly sarcasm that went whooshing over several heads?
Massively generous interpretation.
Did not read like sarcasm at all.
They all sound lovely.
Not a twist in the storyline I was expecting. No mention of a conviction in that story and France is not a country typically renown for UK extradition avoiders choosing to settle in so I'd say proceed with caution in taking that story at face value.
Slightly taken aback by the DM "revelations" (and absolutely agree about not accepting them at face value)
However, unless it's some sort of complex premeditated revenge plot - it doesn't change the fact that a hunter just accidentally shot and killed a cyclist in one of the most popular MTB destinations in Europe, which is outrageous.
The Sun is running a story this morning which is sickening if true 🙁
WTAF?
The fact of the matter is that hunting law in France still needs reform, nothing changes the fact that someone has died because a hunter didn't properly sight his target.
As it's Wednesday the good ole boys have been out shooting since dawn round here...
Wow! Wait and see what the rest of the press make of this.
If true, the campaign will get silently dropped.
Was it murder ?
Surely if its true he would have been convicted of something?
“IF” the story re-raping sister is true that’s the best karma tale I’ve heard.
Even his Mother was pleased he’d been killed! 😮
bloody hell........... that's all i've got at the moment!
Surely if its true he would have been convicted of something?
Mail article implies he spent 6 months inside for assault.
Roughly 15% of sexual violence incidents are reported. Only 6% of reported rape cases end with a conviction.
bloody hell……….. that’s all i’ve got at the moment!
Same here, IF all that is true it may have turned this incident into a good example of karma but as somebody else said it still dosen't change the fact that a rider was still shot and that could have been any mountain biker.
Might put me off buying one of those jerseys though.
Roughly 15% of sexual violence incidents are reported. Only 6% of reported rape cases end with a conviction.
Yes, but it’s not like those alleging the rape were slow to come forward. I feel there is more to come. Whatever, the clean simple message that shooting passers by is very not cool has been muddied somewhat.
As said, regardless of who was hit it still doesn't change the fact that someone has died because of the irresponsible actions of another.
For those taking a pop at hunters in general I can assure you hunters on this side of the water have exactly the same attitude towards those Elmers as you do. Taking pops at everything and anything whilst getting jaked (including songbirds ffs) is about as far from proper hunting as you can get. Barring City ****ers with no ethics the vast majority do it for the pot and wouldn't dream of condoning such actions.
Looks like a good result all round then. An evil bastard got his comeuppance and dodgy hunting practices have been put under the spotlight. Win win.
FFS. It's kind of irrelevant who he is, or what he might have done in the past, so can we all just stop talking about it?
Something doesn't add up here. I'll see what the rest of the media make of it
can we all just stop talking about it?
Are you new here?
It’s kind of irrelevant who he is, or what he might have done in the past
Irrelevant to who? The OP was about how this was a sad event. Turns out not for everybody who knew him. I'd say who he is or what he might have done in the past is relevant to the sentiment of the OP.
So far unsubstantiated. Ffs you sound like a proper paediatrician lyncher.
Irrelevant to who? The OP was about how this was a sad event. Turns out not for everybody who knew him. I’d say who he is or what he might have done in the past is relevant to the sentiment of the OP.
I don't disagree with that, but the main reason for posting the story is that a mountain biker got shot and killed in an area many of us like to visit in both summer and winter seasons. That's the really relevant bit.
The OP wouldn't have posted a story about a tragic knitting accident in Magaluf. It would still have been sad, but not really relevant to this forum.