so its a rather poor example Ernie
The English Civil War is a poor example of what Z-11 ? I gave it as an example of instability - are you suggesting that England was stable when it was having a civil war ?
Spain?
Italy?
Germany?
Russia?
Greece?
A very good point Z-11.....all examples of where the monarchy has behaved in a questionable manner and been the cause of some considerable instability.
But why are providing such examples ? ..... I thought the point you were trying to make was that monarchies provide stability ?
I thought the point you were trying to make was that monarchies provide stability ?
Where did I say that?
I think that you'll find you're lacking in that old attention to detail thing again Ernie - I said that
[b]Constitutional[/b] monarchies have proven themselves to be the MOST stable form of government.
See that bit in bold
its quite an important part of what I said, and where it significantly differs from the straw man argument you're trying to set up.
Lets be clear we are not asking him to prove a negative, we are asking to put forward something the queen has done to aid stability.
I'd also like to point out that seeing as how the royals were wanting to make peace with their friends the nazi's any examples prior to wwii are pointless. I'm sure monarchy was a source of stability for a long time as was slavery but Britain has moved on.
Coughs re posts constitutional monarch thailand ask pertinent question about it being an example of stability.
Since the political reform of the absolute monarchy in 1932, Thailand has had 17 constitutions and charters.[22][23] Throughout this time, the form of government has ranged from military dictatorship to electoral democracy, but all governments have acknowledged a hereditary monarch as the head of state
ah stability from a monarch Gawd bless em etc
This thread just keeps giving.
Lifer - Member
This thread just keeps giving.
Yep. As long as the argualympians are in here, the rest of the forum can be fun! 🙂
I'd also like to point out that seeing as how the royals were wanting to make peace with their friends the nazi's
Unlike the democratically elected government?
[img] 
[/img]
I see Z-11 you say :
Constitutional monarchies have proven themselves to be the MOST stable form of government.
You then provide a list of countries were they very clearly haven't done that :
Spain?
Italy?
Germany?
Russia?
Greece?
I, quite understandably, question the logic of that, and you accuse me of a "straw man argument".
Perhaps I should allow you to post illogical nonsense uninterrupted ?
I though our monarch would prevent such excess? **** I'm confused, whats your point again?
stability and monarchy what utter guff. The world was plunged into the abyss by the imperialist misadventures of the relatives of our current queen.
We seem to be arguing over the past again. Perhaps the monarchists can remind us again what relevance they have for the future.
Monarchy:
a 'tradition' that involves a 'special' family (who managed to gain their position in the distant past by various means) being endorsed, funded and provided for most generously by the state for eternity and fawned over to a nauseating degree by many of the common folk of the country, for no apparent reason.
The monarch 'reigns over us', but has no (real) power or authority and rarely comments publicly (less is more? -or is it less?) and stays in post for life.
The words [i]duty[/i] and [i]destiny[/i] are used a lot in association with the various royals.
The bunting and commemorative tat industries benefit most greatly from the monarchy.
As an aside, a surprisingly large number of medals often appear to be worn by some members of the royal family at important occasions
[b]Vive la republique![/b]
The Jubilee - Thank god it's over
Have to agree, Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness look a pair of right happy ****ers.
