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Phaeton. Definitely a Phaeton.
or lexi.
On a brand perception point of view, I'd rather have a Skoda than a Ford I think. By all accounts the Superb is pretty good - see the fifth gear Superb vs E class video on YouTube.
What do you Superb owners make of the seats? I did a couple of hundred miles in one a few years ago and it was spine shattering.
Volvo or VW passat
Both v comfy seats and we are on Volvo #3 for practical reasons. Only downside is the wallowy drive
see the fifth gear Superb vs E class video on YouTube.
Short test based on a couple of days with a car shouldn't be your basis on buying a car that you will have for a few years or more.
I'd gladly have a Ford rather than a VAG again. I'd chose a Citroen over one too.
Weeksy, Citroen C5's are great cars too but they are huge even compared to a Mondeo. Fast, realiable and economical with a magic carpet ride. Don't knock it until you've tried them. A client of mine replaced their fleet of Skoda's with them and now the leases have finished just replaced with the more C5's.
Citroens have always had a reputation for making smooth and comfortable large cars. Resale values fall off a cliff though which makes a second hand one a bargain. Reliability and build quality has always been suspect. Not sure what they are like now but problems like that can stick for years.
I have benefited a few times from outdated reliability concerns buying Alfa's. All great cars and as reliable as anything else if you are mechanically sympathetic and keep them serviced.
By all accounts the Superb is pretty good
Looked a one a few years ago when I was buying a new car. I am an old man but even I couldn't drive one of them around. Comfortable and felt like a well built car but look awful.
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I spotted a lovely phaeton 3.0 v6 for sale around the corner from me at a local dealer the other week. 120,000 miles and immaculate. £4.5k.
I was soo tempted. But the registration number was familiar.
Then it came to me. I seized it from a drug dealer in 2012 under the proceeds of crime act and it's been sat in a vehicle pound for 3 years.
Why would proceeds of crime put you off? Because it may have been run ragged or something else? Will it always be flagged on some DB somewhere?
My father (ex-force) had a Ford Galaxy for years that had been used for undercover work in drugs surveillance.
I've got a C class Estate sport which had 4000 on the clock when I bought it (£6k of the list) and was cheaper than a good spec Mondeo at the time!
I have done a few miles over the years having jobs that required me to travel around the country and the Merc is flawless, 7 speed semi automatic and is a joy to drive. Done 100k so far and expect at least another 100 before I flog it.
Volvo or VW passatBoth v comfy seats and we are on Volvo #3 for practical reasons. Only downside is the wallowy drive
In which case you need to buy an 03-07 S60R or V70R. Whole different beast. Ohlins design chassis/suspension with Monroe electronically controlled shocks and three chassis settings. Combined with Brembo brakes and a 300bhp engine that will do 0-60 in 5.5secs. All for change out of £7k for a sub 100k mile car. Bargain.
I'd agree the E class is a good call, however the higher ride height of an XC90 is nice as the forward view is better, making for very relaxed cruising. On top of that you have all the benefits of 4WD, 7 seats and ability to fit huge loads in when you want to.
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I find the seats really comfy, can easily do 150 miles without a stop (unless I need a wee or some coffee or a Ginsters 😉 ) and still feel fine when I arrive.
It did take a bit of fiddling to get them just right though.
I nearly bought an E-Class instead but it was twice the price and I found the Merc seats were too wide, I felt as though I was sitting in the middle of a sofa rather than in an armchair.
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Also the Superb has a proper spare wheel rather than runflats or a pram wheel spare
What kind of roads will you be driving on? When I've driven to the alps in a 3 series (M-Sport with run flats, apparently really uncomfortable if you believe the internet rumours) and it's felt like it took less than half the time and [b]no[/b] aches or pains whatsoever, quite an achievement considering the driver has a wrecked back with a prolapsed disc.
Long distances in an Auto car with a torquey quiet 6 cylinder diesel are a breeze.
Ignore those who say BMW's are too harsh. The only time I'd agree with that is if you're only driving on badly surfaced roads.
The XC90 has long been one of my favourites, but the fuel economy seems pretty rubbish on them, which is a day to day factor.
My boss has a Ford Kuga in a diesel auto which seems a really nice car when I've been in it, fast, smooth, quiet... etc...
I also really love Jaguar XFs...
solamanda - MemberWhat kind of roads will you be driving on?
Mostly motorways I guess.
Trip goes as follows
UK > Geneva > Bologna > Como > Paris.
BAck in UK it's mostly A34 and M4 driving.
Then I'd recommend 325D in automatic, you can get a really low mileage one for under £10k. You still get a torquey inline 6 of the 330 and 335. With your family on board, you probably won't miss the extra power as you'll be cruising.
No DMF in automatics.
Pug 407 sw, it's like driving a leather sofa.
Passat CC. We take ours to the alps and back each year and I have never got their feeling fresher. We do about 20k per year in it
Worth considering saloon vs hatch/estate. If road noise is important then a saloon does a really good job of isolating noise from the rear axle (sheet of metal rather than flimsy parcel shelf). Saloons often cheaper but obviously less practical..
I reckon e class as noted or maybe a 525d both in auto. Go for SE trim if it's the Beemer.
Why would proceeds of crime put you off? Because it may have been run ragged or something else?
He said it had been sitting in a pound for years...
VW Phaeton is a great shout - I'd have one of those if it wasn't for the dog.
So I have an Audi A6 Avant (the last shape, not the current one). It's very enormous, very comfortable and has so far been 100% reliable, and it devours miles with no fuss and even less stress. However the new shape is better in every department. Go for one of the 3l diseasels for a winning combo of power, economy and refinement. 4WD is an option too.
I'm going to stop and view this on the way home today.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272118073784?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Not necessarily to buy it as such, but just a sit in, look round, feel how it is etc.
For something big and comfy you could look at a Jag of some kind - maybe an S Class or XF?
Bit left field, but the big citroens have a reputation for being massively comfortable and are pretty cheap since they're not cool. A C6 for example?
Here's one with a 3.0 V6, LPG and 110,000 miles for £5k-ish:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2007-Citroen-C6-3-0-i-V6-Exclusive-4dr-/252335610961?hash=item3ac05fdc51:g:84cAAOSwsN9XBRa5
Our mk2 Octy vRS is a little firm, but otherwise a pleasant place to be while munching the miles (M3 and A34 as it happens).
The boot lip is a little annoying if you're planning on carrying lots of heavy things, but it's a small problem in the scheme of things.
If money's no object then ranger rover is the obvious choice. In the real world, I've been absolutely delighted with my new Passat. Mine is a high spec estate and it's so relaxing to drive it's unreal. I expect a saloon or a CC (with sensible sized wheels) would be even better.
Having previously owned an A4 and my work having all sorts of Audi pool cars over the years, it wouldn't be an Audi.
Lexus GS300
I have a '14 plate Superb 1.4tsi petrol I get "indicated" 50mpg average on a motorway run.
It's huge, comfy the twindoor boot is ace. Glad I got it.
I came from an Octavia vRS.
I would have another one, however I do like the look of the newer Mercs and Jags 😀
You won't, but I wanted to mention it, I had a 7-Series a few years back and it was lovely way to spend long trips. Four adults plus luggage in total comfort.
Seemed a waste for local pootling though so I sold it again. I kinda miss it.
"[i]...non DMF type diesel[/i]"
You won't find any vaguely modern (manual) diesel without a DMF. As already mentioned, autos don't have DMFs, but they do have their own potential issues.
Unless you meant DPF ?
Citroen c6 arrive as if you only just left and looking like a hit man or president.
For upmarket waftage, how about a tdi A8, like the Phaeton, there are a few about after horrific depreciation leaving a great car at a good price.... Autobahn friendly, loads of go and probably eats miles for breakfast.
Sor more sporty wattage, A6 3.0 Avant.
Looked a one a few years ago when I was buying a new car. I am an old man but even I couldn't drive one of them around. Comfortable and felt like a well built car but look awful.
The new Superb looks pretty good to me:
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The new Superb looks pretty good to me:
You sure it's not a Mondeo ?
The new Superb looks pretty good to me:
That does look pretty good for £10k.
Oh.
It's been said but definitely a Citroen C6
Damn I want a C6 - having just googled it after those posts up there.
[i]The XC90 has long been one of my favourites, but the fuel economy seems pretty rubbish on them, which is a day to day factor.[/i]
You should get one then. People get so hung up on the economy figures but on a car of that age its a minor factor. You can't have a big heavy safe cruiser with all those options and expect 40mpg. Its not bad on a run though...35 is possible.
You sure it's not a Mondeo ?
Yeah.....the grill hasn't been ripped off an Aston.
That does look pretty good for £10k.
Oh.
Not suggesting it to the OP as he has already ruled Skoda's out. Just commenting that it looks pretty good to someone who claimed that the Superb was a munter.
[url= http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/volkswagen/phaeton/volkswagen-phaeton-3-0-tdi-v6-4motion-4dr/5198308?v=b ]And relax.[/url] what a buy, no idea where you are in the country though!
The new Superb looks pretty good to me:
That was me. The one I sat in which was in the dealership looked crap from the outside. That looks better.
The top of the range C5s also have the hyropneumatique suspension. Nothing else I've been in comes close. Pity they've dropped the petrol V6 from the C5/C6.
Issue with the Phaetons used to be finding someone who knew what they were doing with the things when it comes to servicing and repairs.. Not even all the dealerships were equipped is what I heard! Not sure if that has changed?
Still not got around to this yet...
Currently back in debate after a longish and noisy motorway drive yesterday. I'd just like to be able to hear myself think on the motorway.
Current list :
Low Spec Mondeo petrol, cheapish money, had one before
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322002802661?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Mercedes C180 auto
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201423530347?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Quashqai, more from a space and the wifes semi-company loan car is one and she approves
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222148474548?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
C180, higher price, low miles, lovely looking motor
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/311656672196?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Newer Mondeo, higher money, but new and decent miles.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191919519007?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
That's all i've got currently in my mind.
Plan B is to take the current Civic to Burgundy in Aug and see how it is, see if we can put up with it.
Plan C is possibly to invest in some new rubber, quieter rubber and take to Burgundy.
Plan D... i dunno.. what is plan D ?
of all those you listed none look particularly appealing for your SOR in the OP imo.