[Closed] Rascism - gone just a little too far

Calling names is not the same as discriminating. That's the salient point that society seems to have lost sight of. I'm certainly not saying it's right, but calling names and even making monkey chants or throwing bananas isn't "discriminatory". It's unacceptable, crass and ignorant, but that's not the type of action that prevents people from achieving things and enjoying equal privilege to other.

Nowadays we see footballers storming off the pitch in tears because someone has made a 'racist' remark. Well I'm sorry, but man the **** up! Every other person on the pitch has to tolerate every possible insult, having their wives' integrity questioned, their parentage, hair colour... But as soon as someone mentions skin colour, they burst into tears?? It's ridiculous. This isn't some sort of repression, it's sticks and stones!

Sadly, the only real 'racism' that's at play in these sort of situations is that people with a different skin colour have an unvanquishable weapon in that they can accuse people of racism, whereas if say a ginger-haired person, for example, suffers abuse about their appearance, they have no recourse whatsoever.

Because [b]in general[/b], when you hear something and think "That's incredible", it's quite useful to remember what "incredible" means.

In general I agree, but its not always untrue. Look at Kona they've actually made a nice looking bike for once 😀

I often don't agree with things Shibby posts, but, dammit, he's spot-on with this!

I knew people would come round to my way of thinking eventually!

On a serious note, there's a sense of sticking ones head above the parapet when you voice an opinion like that, it shouldn't be the case at all.

The lefty PC brigade have made far too much ground and now we're afraid to have opinions for fear of being labelled racist. The problem is that real racism is now festering beneath the surface because people are afraid to discuss problems with certain cultures and sectors of society.

The lefty PC brigade have made far too much ground

Yeah it was much better in the 70s when you could be racist openly without fear of disapproval.

Yeah it was much better in the 70s when you could be racist openly without fear of disapproval.

Point proven. 🙄

How so? I'm very intrigued to know exactly how far we should reverse the ground made by the 'lefty PC brigade'.

we're afraid to have opinions for fear of being labelled racist.

I'm not 'afraid to have opinions for fear of being labelled racist'. Interesting that you are.

I'm not even going to waste my time Grum. Read my earlier post. It's quite clear that I'm not racist and don't condone racism.

My point is that there's always some PC whinger (in this case it's you) ready to jump on every sentence said on the subject, edit it until it could possibly, in poor light and a prevailing wind, be considered racist by another over-sensitive PC whinger.

Where have I accused you of racism? I tell you what's even more prevalent than 'PC whingers' - people who cry 'PC gone mad' conspiracy at the drop of a hat when they don't actually have a decent argument.

the kind of people that say "political correctness gone mad" are usually using that phrase as a kind of cover action to attack minorities or people that they disagree with. I'm of an age that I can see what a difference political correctness has made. When I was four years old, my grandfather drove me around Birmingham, where the Tories had just fought an election campaign saying, "if you want a **** for a neighbour, vote Labour," and he drove me around saying, "this is where all the ****s and the coons and the jungle bunnies live." And I remember being at school in the early 80s and my teacher, when he read the register, instead of saying the name of the one asian boy in the class, he would say, "is the black spot in," right? And all these things have gradually been eroded by political correctness, which seems to me to be about an institutionalised politeness at its worst. And if there is some fallout from this, which means that someone in an office might get in trouble one day for saying something that someone was a bit unsure about because they couldn't decide whether it was sexist or homophobic or racist, it's a small price to pay for the massive benefits and improvements in the quality of life for millions of people that political correctness has made. It's a complete lie that allows the right, which basically controls media now, and international politics, to make people on the left who are concerned about the way people are represented look like killjoys. And I'm sick, I'm really sick-- 84% of you in this room that have agreed with this phrase, you're like those people who turn around and go, "you know who the most oppressed minorities in Britain are? White, middle-class men." You're a bunch of idiots.

Where have I accused you of racism?

Erm... How about...

I'm not 'afraid to have opinions for fear of being labelled racist'. Interesting that you are.

Slightly irrelevant in this heated debate, but...

convert:
I'm a teacher with 15 years experience... Rational and intelligent adults frequently seem to [b]loose[/b] their common sense...

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Not exactly accusing you of racism, it does make me wonder though.

I find that offensive and you've overstepped the mark.

Shibboleth - Member
My point is that there's always some PC whinger (in this case it's you) ready to jump on every sentence said on the subject, edit it until it could possibly, in poor light and a prevailing wind, be considered racist by another over-sensitive PC whinger.

Whinging about whingers, brilliant. Plus what a load of cobblers.

Shibboleth - Member

"Not exactly accusing you of racism, it does make me wonder though."

I find that offensive and you've overstepped the mark.

Bit over-senstive aren't you?

Lifer, are you whinging about people whinging about whingers?

Oh I hope so!

I find that offensive and you've overstepped the mark.

Oh dear, if only you were from an ethnic minority, then you could accuse me of being racist and get me into trouble eh? 😉

Grum, if you were any more intelligent, you might be able to see when you're being used to prove a point. 🙄

You really haven't proved bugger all - go on, tell us what you think you've proved?

Instead of responding to what you imagine people have said in the lefty conspiracy in your head, try responding to what's actually been posted, or perhaps answering some of my questions.

FWIW I don't see your comments about footballers as racist, possibly just a bit insensitive. Which is strange given how incredibly over-sensitive you seem to be about yourself.

You really haven't proved bugger all - go on, tell us what you think you've proved?

That there's always some hand-wringing PC whinger ready to pounce on anything and accuse someone of racism - either directly or inferred - when they're clearly not.

It also proves how difficult it is for someone like me to seek redress when accused of racism by someone like you. If I was a different race, and I was a victim of racism, I would have the full weight of the law, and probably the support of the moderators behind me.

As it is, whingers like you can accuse me of a quite serious offense without any fear of reprisal.

You forgot to take heed of this bit:

Instead of responding to what you imagine people have said in the lefty conspiracy in your head, try responding to what's actually been posted

And this is really quite hilariously ironic - this is meant to be a joke right?

It also proves how difficult it is for someone like me to seek redress when accused of racism by someone like you. If I was a different race, and I was a victim of racism, I would have the full weight of the law, and probably the support of the moderators behind me.

So when footballers get upset by monkey chants and vile racist abuse, they're being oversensitive and should just MTFU, but you think it's reasonable to throw a hissy fit when I wondered why you were so scared of being branded a racist?

Back on topic, if what transpired is as stated you should complain to the principal, the board of governers, and if that doesn't work, your county councillor. And the local media would love a story like this...

... if there is some fallout from this, which means that someone in an office might get in trouble one day for saying something that someone was a bit unsure about because they couldn't decide whether it was sexist or homophobic or racist..

A five year old kid used he word "monkey" to his mate on the "monkey bars".
Stewart lee's whinge-rant is irrelevant.

A five year old kid used he word "monkey" to his mate on the "monkey bars".

According to a third hand account.

Not saying it's necessarily untrue, but it has all the hallmarks of a classic tabloid 'PC gone mad' tale that later turns out to be a load of bollocks.

Shibboleth - Member

That there's always some hand-wringing PC whinger ready to pounce on anything and accuse someone of racism - either directly or inferred - when they're clearly not.

It also proves how difficult it is for someone like me to seek redress when accused of racism by someone like you. If I was a different race, and I was a victim of racism, I would have the full weight of the law, and probably the support of the moderators behind me.

As it is, whingers like you can accuse me of a quite serious offense without any fear of reprisal.

Hand wringing and more whinging about whingers in this post, without a hint of ironing. Well played sir.

And if that fails, change schools!

Read my earlier post. It's quite clear that I'm not racist

well, if you're not a racist shibboleth why write this ?

the only real 'racism' that's at play in these sort of situations is that people with a different skin colour have an unvanquishable weapon in that they can accuse people of racism

see you're blaming 'people with a different skin colour' for crying racism. well what colour skin colour did the teacher have ? because they're the one calling racism in this case. and when you say 'different' skin colour, who exactly has 'different' skin colour and by definition who has 'default' skin colour ?

i don't see it as any coincidence that the next most moronic post on the thread happened to +1 your comments

i'm sure you're both regular callers on talksport phone-ins when you can get someone to work the phones for you.

loum - Member
A five year old kid [b]allegedly[/b] used he word "monkey" to his [b]alleged[/b] mate on the "monkey bars".
Stewart lee's whinge-rant is irrelevant.

To that yes, but not to what Grum posted in in relation to.

According to a third hand account.

edit:
just noticed your stealth edit.
Fair enough. Not a fan of tabloid hysteria too, but I'd rather give the op (and his colleague's kid) a benefit of the doubt. No reason to disbelieve yet.

edit 2.
your posts keep growing? 🙂

Unless you know different, and would like to share the facts, it's still the best account we have.

Agreed, but still - it's not much better evidence than 'this bloke down the pub told me that his sister-in-law's best mate heard from their cousin that......'.

It also contains inconsistencies like:

'pretty much branded a racist'
'the teacher pulled him up and called him a racist...'

Well which one is it? Did he 'call him a racist', or 'pretty much brand him a racist'? Crucial difference there isn't there.

Because of that, personally I won't be getting in a froth about it - sorry to disappoint

I was in a supermarket yesterday and the women behind the dli counter was muslim all hujabbed up. She took ages to sort out some ham for me, then gave me lees than I asked for because she said she had to open another packet. So what I asked for a specific amount not what you want to give me. If she don't like touching pork then why work there? Can't say anthing though because people will call you a racist.

So what I asked for a specific amount not what you want to give me. If she don't like touching pork then why work there?

Maybe she was just lazy?

I was in a supermarket yesterday and the women behind the dli counter was muslim all hujabbed up. She took ages to sort out some ham for me, then gave me lees than I asked for because she said she had to open another packet. So what I asked for a specific amount not what you want to give me. If she don't like touching pork then why work there? Can't say anthing though because people will call you a racist.

What's the relevance of her being Muslim to this story? Did she tell you she didn't want to open another packet because she's a Muslim? Seems odd she would serve you ham at all if she was that fussed about it.

Can't say anthing though

What would you like to have said?

Excuse but I asked for x amount of meat can I have x amount please as that is how much i want

Yes you would never get away with saying that. PC gone mad innit

Persoanlly I think she knew it would annoy you and it was personal- someone you know in disguise is following you to do little things like that just to ruin your day...I bet a car gets in your way on the way home...dont say I have not warned you ...be careful

Seems odd she would serve you ham at all if she was that fussed about it

This

I find it very hard to believe anybody with enough religious conviction to wear a hijab would be working on a deli counter.

Perhaps Infestation is demonstrating to the OP how stories can be skewed very easily if you leave out the odd pertinent detail 8)

She had to use about 3 plastic bags on her hands so she didn't have to touch the meat. so she couldn't open the packaging properly then took ages to cut just a small amount. I would like to have said why do you work here if you don't want to touch pork plenty of other people want a job. But then someone would probably say I was racist. I've got nothing against anyone but if you want to work here then you have to give a good service to customers we're paying their wages.

When I was four years old, my grandfather drove me around Birmingham, where the Tories had just fought an election campaign saying, "if you want a **** for a neighbour, vote Labour,"

born in 1960 then.

And I remember being at school in the early 80s and my teacher, when he read the register...

And still at school in his early 20's having the register called.

Seems a bit strange ?

[i]see you're blaming 'people with a different skin colour' for crying racism.[/i]

It happens though doesn't it?
I've denied things to prisoners because they've asked for something that they not allowed because of prison policies or rules & I get 'your'e only saying no cos I'm... (insert ethnicity)

Seems a bit strange ?

Well done detective - it really makes a lot of difference to the point he's making doesn't it. 😕

I guess it depends on your definition of 'just'.

I would like to have said why do you work here if you don't want to touch pork plenty of other people want a job. But then someone would probably say I was racist.

Well, crazy idea I know, but maybe she wants a job, but couldn't find one where she didn't have to handle pork. Or maybe it was her first day on the job, and she just wasn't very good at cutting meat. Bit of empathy/understanding/tolerance might not go amiss, or do you reserve that for people of certain ethnic origins?

Did you not dare say 'I'd like a bit more please'?

I've denied things to prisoners because they've asked for something that they not allowed because of prison policies or rules & I get 'your'e only saying no cos I'm... (insert ethnicity)

Maybe some of them have experienced situations where the rules only get enforced for people of a certain ethnicity. And yes some of them are just trying it on.

Unbelievable that in 2013 there are still a couple of people on this thread that need to have racism explained to them.

.....as to tolerate every possible insult, having their wives' integrity questioned, their parentage, hair colour... But as soon as someone mentions skin colour, they burst into tears?? It's ridiculous. This isn't some sort of repression, it's sticks and stones!

Of course it's ****ing repression!

It's because, for decades, open racism ( and therefore hatred ) was seen as acceptable that now we are quite right to stamp it out at the merest utterance.

Well done detective - it really makes a lot of difference to the point he's making doesn't it.
[B]I guess it depends on your definition of 'just'.[/b]

It certainly does.

Because it would have been 1972 when he was 4 years old. Rather than 1964 as he suggested 😉

But I suppose exaggeration to make a point is fine in that context, he is a comedian not Council for the Defence after all.

so you call any comment about foreigners 'racist' then force people to shut up? That's like facism.

I would like to have said why do you work here if you don't want to touch pork plenty of other people want a job. But then someone would probably say I was racist. I've got nothing against anyone but if you want to work here then you have to give a good service to customers we're paying their wages.

Lucky for you that you decided not to say anything, otherwise she may have tried to shoot you with her Muslamic Ray Gun.

infestation - Member
so you call any comment about foreigners 'racist' then force people to shut up? That's like facism.

Any racist comment, perhaps. And did you seriously not ask for more?

Yes being anti racist is very much like facism - one of the key tenants of fascism was its intolerance of racism and they preached relentlessly about how everyone was equal

Seeing as you joined today was it just to get reactions?

Ps I thought you were making a comment about someone in a supermarket how on earth would you know whether she was a foreigner

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