does anyone on here think that it is possible to agree with some of the stuff edl and mr robinson stand for, but not be a mindless racist thug
yes but this is not the organisation to represent those views as it is made up of many racist mindless thugs.
No one is serious about imposing Sharia law on us beyond a few lone wolf nutters who probably number less than 0.00001 % of the UK muslim population never mind the general population. I dont think we need to quite get worried about this yet....certainly not whilst we are bombing the shit out of them and befriending "friendly" yet repressive sharia states like Saudi
I do not agree with unnecessary suffering to animals.
says the meat eater
I advise you to attend a slaughter house and see how humanitarian industrial slaughter is when done our way
Worrying about "their methods" is like worrying that the hangmans noose may chafe the skin IMHO
so the awnswer to my question is yes then?
things like not wanting sharia law in britain?
Is that a big worry?
if it were to happen, i reckon it could be a bit of a worry. in certain area's.
Are you worried about it happening?
so the awnswer to my question is yes then?
Yes it is.
Although not wanting Sharia law in the UK would also align you with 99% of British political organisations from the far left to the far right, most of whom wouldn't have that on any manifesto as it's as likely to happen as me becoming pope.
Are you worried about it happening?
no, not at all.
i am all for free speach and live and let live.
i dont get offended by the edl or the local muslim community.
a load of folk seem to on here tho....... 🙄
does anyone on here think that it is possible to agree with some of the stuff edl and mr robinson stand for, but not be a mindless racist thug?
Well Tommy Robinson reckons that he has come to the conclusion that no, you can't separate it from the mindless racist thuggery. Apparently that's why he's decided to leave the EDL. I HTH ton.
no, not at all.
Seems a bit weird to identify it as a policy worth endorsing, then.
says the meat eater
I advise you to attend a slaughter house and see how humanitarian industrial slaughter is when done our way
Have done. Used to work as a butcher many. many years ago.
Worrying about "their methods" is like worrying that the hangmans noose may chafe the skin IMHO
I do not think they are pleasant places but to not stun a animal first can only make things worse.
I also never used the expression "their methods" so why is it in quotation marks? That could sound like the words of a bigot, I see what you did there.
I dont get it. Why should we oppose Sharia law in the UK wgen we dont have Sharia law in the UK?
Why should we oppose Sharia law in the UK wgen we dont have Sharia law in the UK?
Yes we do
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9975937/Inside-Britains-Sharia-courts.html ]Torygraph BBc Documentary Sharia Law Courts[/url]
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2009/jun/29/religion-islam-sharia-britain ]Grundian Sharia Law[/url]
The EDL thrive on fear, usually unfounded or illogical fear. I know plenty of people down here in Kent who left London because of the fear of black people taking over their neighbourhoods. There's a sizeable black community now who have moved down from London also. 🙂
It's understandable to be concerned when things change and some people fear the erosion of their way of life - there's nothing stronger than the pull of home is there? If home is recognisably different with languages and cultural influences that people feel excluded from then fear follows. That's what the EDL prey on. They take the most extreme elements of Muslim faith, suggest that they exist and thrive in our midst, tell people that no-one is challenging it and offer a visible and vocal opposition to a problem that is largely absent from our shores.
So yes, you could argue that there is a resonance in some of what they say. I suggest it's fuelled by nationalism and bigotry though. I see them as national socialists and anyone who supports them for whatever reason also supports that doctrine.
It would appear that their founder also thinks that, but we'll see how this pans out. Maybe he's just shit scared of getting his head kicked in.
Religious courts don't trump British law, and the decisions aren't legally binding unless both sides agree. Why no similar 'concern' over Beth Din?
Religious courts don't trump British law, and the decisions aren't legally binding unless both sides agree. Why no similar 'concern' over Beth Din?
Smaller population, less media coverage, been a while since the last terrorist attack.
This doesn't mean they should be viewed any differently. Just suggesting reasons as to why there is a focus on one and not the other.
"their methods" so why is it in quotation marks? That could sound like the words of a bigot, I see what you did there.
I was not trying to suggest you were a bigot with that comment nor for objecting to this method of slaughter- many non bigots do.
Apologies for offending you/suggestign this [ not sure I did tbh but it was unintentional and not my aim]
Junky - your window of opportunity for providing proof is now closed and by default you are twittering.
Consistent if nothing else.
To add a bit of focus, the catalyst (or straw that broke the camel's back more like) for the EDL forming was the 'Wooton-Bassett' incident. Remember that anyone?
To add a bit of focus, the catalyst (or straw that broke the camel's back more like) for the EDL forming was the 'Wooton-Bassett' incident. Remember that anyone?
Do remind us of the facts
I believe there was a minor protest by some extremists that was soundly criticised by British muslim groups.
Do remind us of the facts
You have access the world wide web - Do your own homework.
Back to the subject in question, there was a lot of positives to be had from that programme, one of which being that at least one muslim community leader acknowledges that the organised paedophile gangs is a problem in the muslim community. Another was that the koran could do with a bit of evolution in terms of some of it's scripture often being conveniently misconstrued by a percentage of muslims.
This is good, bit late mind, but good nontheless.
Will be interesting to see how TR's new venture develops...
Yes we do
Torygraph BBc Documentary Sharia Law Courts
The UK has shariah law only in the sense that it also has Jewish, New York or South African law. That is to say, if private individuals agree to settle disputes with reference to a specified body of law, that's up to them, no matter how silly. This is what arbitration is, all day every day. But as far as everyone else goes, and as far as non-consensual applications of the law to, there's no shariah law and no prospect of shariah law displacing civil and criminal law. Shariah law exists in the space that UK law allows it to occupy, and that's not a geographic one.
You have access the world wide web - Do your own homework.
I'm interested in your interpretation of the 'Wooton-Bassett' incident. I'm interested in your opinion. Your words. If this incident was the catalyst (or the straw that broke the Carmel's back more like) for the formation of the EDL then you must have an opinion. Surely.
the koran could do with a bit of evolution in terms of some of it's scripture often being conveniently misconstrued by a percentage of muslims.
That sounds like a problem with people deliberately misconstruing the base text rather than a problem with the base text itself.
Why do you think the Koran needs to evolve? Who should execute that evolution and how?
To add a bit of focus, the catalyst (or straw that broke the camel's back more like) for the EDL forming was the 'Wooton-Bassett' incident. Remember that anyone?
I thought that was a legitimate protest personally..
If I was an ex-pat living abroad, and the country I lived in was bombing the shit out of my homelands and welcoming the troops back as heroes, I'd probably feel compelled to make some sort of very strong symbolic protest too..
just my 2penceworth
private individuals agree to settle disputes with reference to a specified body of law
Konabunny - Agreed.
However there were a number of cases highlighted in the media, (on the BBC documentary as well, who can hardly be considered right wing) of females who were forced within their own community to settle martial disputes with Sharia Law arbitration.
Now even the most PC of us would be concerned about that?
Surely this will be mainly of interest to the racists?Will be interesting to see how TR's new venture develops...
is that why you are interested?
I'm interested in your interpretation of the 'Wooton-Bassett' incident.
It was definitely my least favourite PG Wodehouse book.
Surely this will be mainly of interest to the racists?
is that why you are interested?
Why do you think he's racist? I don't really bother keeping tabs on people on here - is there previous?
can i ask 1 more question?
can someone be a nationalist without people accusing them of being a racist?
Racism and nationalism are very similar, one believes that the colour of your skin makes them more special than those with different colour skins, the other believes that the nation they belong to makes them more special than other nations.
It's all ridiculous divisions of humanity, the sooner the human race moves past such ideology the better.
+1 MSP
It's all just an accident of birth, afterall.
so a person cant be proud of their country without being racist?
I think it depends what the pride is based on
Ton - as far as I understand the term, nationalism is about feeling that your country is superior to others, so yeah, being a nationalist could be seen as a bit 'tomorrow belongs to me'. Patriotism, on the other hand, is (in my opinion) fine and dandy, but unfortunately, the two are often confused, particularly by the 'I'm not a racist, but' crowd.
so are all the members of the snp racist then?
this is all getting very confusing..... 😀
Where is Patriotpro when you need him?
The 'N' is for National not Nationalist. HTH.
Lifer - Member
The 'N' is for National not Nationalist. HTH.
However, a quick Google shows....
Scottish National Party: Together we can make Scotland better.
www.snp.org/?
A left leaning [b]nationalist[/b] party advocating secession from the United Kingdom. On-line manifesto, news section and details of the party and its personalities.
Why do you think he's racist?
IIRC there was a thread where he said that he [ I assume a male may be wrong- not a dig btw] would shop based on the skin colour [ it may have simply been ethnic origin to be fair] of the owners.
Whether this was outright trolling or his innermost thoughts I know not as they refuse every opportunity to clarify or explain their views.
The hard line communists were referred to as Conservatives and tebbit objected to this
You can be a nationalist without being a racist but i doubt you can be a racist without being a nationalist, hence the confusion.
na·tion·al·ism (nsh-n-lzm, nshn-)
n.
1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.
2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.
3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.
things like not wanting sharia law in britain?
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i doubt you can be a racist without being a nationalist
What if you simply believe in racial 'purity', and have no interest in nationalism?
I am not aware of anyone having espoused such a view without nationalism though you have a point that it is technically possible.
IIRC there was a thread where he said that he [ I assume a male may be wrong- not a dig btw] would shop based on the skin colour [ it may have simply been ethnic origin to be fair] of the owners.
Whether this was outright trolling or his innermost thoughts I know not as they refuse every opportunity to clarify or explain their views.
Ah ok. Well it's a shame that he/she hasn't come back to answer my question too.
Perhaps they are busy.
patriotpro - MemberBack to the subject, in question there was a lot of positives to be had from that programme, one of which being that at least one muslim community leader acknowledges that the organised paedophile gangs is a problem in the muslim community.
The 'subject in question' was where does Tommy Robinson get his income from ?
Obviously you want to change the subject and talk about Muslamic rape gangs. Although I find it a liitle bizarre that you want to point out that the Muslim community has a problem with paedophile gangs, doesn't the Christian community have a problem with paedophile gangs then, are they OK about it ?
Several paedophiles made the national news this week, none as far as I know Muslim, is the Christian community relaxed and not bothered by it all ?
What about the atheist community - any paedophiles there ? And have they been condemned by leading atheists ?
