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I am yet to see a single valid argument for leave that doesn't come across as anything other than.... "we used to be a great nation that ruled half the world and won 2 world wars. Let's leave so we top dog again" B*llocks
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I am yet to see a single valid argument for leave that doesn't come across as anything other than.... "we used to be a great nation that ruled half the world and won 2 world wars. Let's leave so we top dog again" B*llocks
You see what you want to see.
You rationalise what you want to rationalise.
Anything you do not want to see you will not see.
[b]Obvious is obvious and I told you so.[/b]
Lemmings! Forward march!
Stay
My selfish consider the money, the business ,economy and all that stuff says stay.
My experience of working on CEN standards and EU Directives says leave.
As I'll be in Brussels that week on a matter relating to an EU directive, that will be the time to make up my mind (if they let me back in time).
Stay
Stay, but with considerable sympathy for Leave.
Boris is a busted flush, he will never lead the conservative party. Previously he had a following among the membership but now he is only in fourth and he will always struggle to get on the membership ballot anyway.
Stay.
Postal vote, so little chance of not casting it.
Stay.
teamhurtmore - Member
As in the other thread, why does riding bikes down hills produce a result so far at odds with polls? Probably best to save answers to other thread
Perhaps there are factors in addition to being an MTBer that influence who becomes a regular at STW? Maybe there's some strongly eurosceptic and right wing MTB forums out there?
Also demographically STW's users may overall be younger than the mean voting age, and both leave and the Conservatives appear to be more popular with the old than the young.
Ahm 'oot
mefty - Member
Stay, but with considerable sympathy for Leave.
[b]Please don't.
Show and save your sympathy for the weak, the old, the poor, the ones that cannot fight back.[/b]
None of us will suffer now or in this generation.
The next generations will suffer and let them deal with their problems.
The strong survive and the weak perish when the EU population multiply extensively.
Let's see whose gene pool will survive.
Stay and I vote.
Also demographically STW's users may overall be younger than the mean voting age, and both leave and the Conservatives appear to be more popular with the old than the young.POSTED 1 MINUTE AGO # REPORT-POST
Very true. While walking the dogs I meet mainly "older" people. I have yet to meet one who wants to stay.
Leave.
I think it will be a close call ( unlike on here), but ultimately remain will win.
Stay
suburbanreuben - Member
Also demographically STW's users may overall be younger than the mean voting age, and both leave and the Conservatives appear to be more popular with the old than the young.
Very true. While walking the dogs I meet mainly "older" people. I have yet to meet one who wants to stay.
Nope.
STW are old, educated, left leaning (the norm on STW), middle class and much better off than the norm.
They also come from the generations of class struggle.
stay
Stay.
Stay.
Not all older people are outers, my parents are in their mid-80's and are both stayers too, and they will vote, as I will
Stay.
Holding my nose and voting stay
Stay!
I am yet to see a single valid argument for leave that doesn't come across as anything other than.... "we used to be a great nation that ruled half the world and won 2 world wars. Let's leave so we top dog again" B*llocks
This, along with an over inflated sense of where we stand in the world with regards to import/export and trade and industry in general.
Leave!
Leave
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Stay.
Remain.
If some one could explain a few things, like suggesting an effective system for making payments to farmers to replace the current EU subsidies, in a way that wasn't just as expensive and complicated, then I could see myself being persuaded to change my mind.
Or, if someone could give me a few examples of the pesky red tape that we could ditch, where 'red-tape' doesn't actually mean environmental and employment protection.
Those are the kind of things the Leave campaign need to talk to me about, they aren't. I wonder why...
Update and hopefully accurate - 100 opinions stated so far
Stay 74 (74%)
Leave 16 (16%)
Undecided 10 (10%)
BillOddie has it spot on other than a financial zone (London) we really need to loose this sense that we are a major economic entity - all we have that doesn't belong to the Duke of Westminster we have sold and we invest in nothing that does not have the words "property" in it - we don't have Microsoft, Apple, Google let alone any form of significant manufacturing (that we actually own) we have become a technical sweatshop for various overseas organisations (nissan hon da etc etc) and anyone who thinks we can get rid of various European Directives is living in la la land - just who are we going to sell stuff to if we don't comply - Boris Farage and IDS are hardly global political change makers they can barley string a sentence together that makes sense. No one has a clue to what will actually happen on exit other than a short term recession - so the question is can the new Tories Boris IDS Gove actually turn the economy around from a trade deal/commerce point of view No ******* Chance
Stay.
I am yet to see a single valid argument for leave that doesn't come across as anything other than.... "we used to be a great nation that ruled half the world and won 2 world wars. Let's leave so we top dog again" B*llocks
+1
Boris in particular seems to be really laying on the "Come on, aren't we GREAT BRITAIN?!" stuff.
Boris is actually managing to look even more of a clown than he already was. He can say goodbye to any hope of being leader I reckon.
Leave.
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Leave...though I may change my mind!
Boris is actually managing to look even more of a clown than he already was. He can say goodbye to any hope of being leader I reckon.
I think the contrary, imo Osbourne has no chance now 2 fluffed budgets and his Remain campaign has been a disgrace
If Boris becomes leader, Tim Fallon finally has a chance - anyone remember the LDs?
Boris or Jezza - what an appalling thought
Even the right wing press is starting to lay into Boris about his performance and prospects with critical articles in the Telegraph and Mail to name but two over the past couple of days. Even Katie Hopkins!
Boris is a self serving asshat.
In - but not for the reason above.
Leave
Read the IMF report today about Greece
Stay..
tpbiker - Member[s]Boris[/s] Politican or Bureaucrat is a self serving asshat.
[s]In[/s] OUT - [s]but not[/s] for the reason above.