they couldnt have wished for a better allegory of the russian government than a bunch of meathead bullies, whipping some defenceless women
theyve succeeded in their objective of gaining publicity in their campaign against putin
the recent anti-gay legislation and putins statements linking gays to paedophillia are a reminder just how nasty the man is
Meanwhile in other news.....
If you've got a point then make it.
whipping some defenceless women
That was hardly whipping wasn't it? If Max Mosley received that on his weekly visit he'd be demanding a refund.
The point?
Here is another example of how we increasingly sensationalise the trivial and ignore the important. A minor incident (how long was the clip?) that is hardly newsworthy in itself let alone against the real geopolitics that are playing out in Kiev for example where people are losing their lives etc and we get agitated about it.
Perspective please.
Look further down the page for the Kiev thread if thats what you're interested in talking about.
Thm whats going on in Kiev doesnt make anything else less wrong or unimportant.
Hora, your desire to sexulise the issue is quite odd imo.
I'm properly amazed at some of the replies on this. I wonder if Emily Davison* ever existed at all.
* I bet you have to google her
but sometimes by focusing on the mistreatment of individuals it exposes the overall problem.
Look at all the images that have swayed public opinion, tank man in China, the napalmed girl in Vietnam etc. By showing individuals it allows us to empathise far more than a photo of 10,000 people.
"When one person dies it's a tragedy, when a million die it's a statistic'
and hora, I can't think you really believe that state sponsored beating of peaceful protestors is somehow giving them what they deserve or not worthy of comment.
your desire to sexulise the issue
Calm your plastic-liberal self down.
THM 3 million children die every year because they dont have enough food, why arent you discussing that?
http://www.wfp.org/hunger/stats
Calm your plastic-liberal self down.
I'm calm thanks, its you that seems a little hot under the collar.
I had to google her but she was who I thought!!
Hora, what's a 'plastic-liberal'?
Thm whats going on in Kiev doesnt make anything else less wrong or unimportant
Correct it doesn't. But there are far more important issues right now than a silly protest met by heavy handed policing.
Pussy Riot do not have the right to protest they live in Russia where protest is illegal , that is why they are incredibly brave . They need to do acts which attract international media attention and are non violent as that attention and non violence is the only reason they are not dead in a ditch. The attempts to dismiss them as attention seeking spicecki girls really just reveals how unwilling some people are to acknowledge that some people have principles .
The Cossacks whips are not soft play toys and don't take much effort to inflict pain .
Cant argue with that thm. But on this thread we were discussing the pussy riot issue.
I was going to ask what a plastic liberal was too.
Always think it's hilarious when people denounce protesters as publicity seeking, seems like everyone should protest quietly at home, in case anyone notices.
teamhurtmore - MemberCorrect it doesn't. But there are far more important issues right now than a silly protest met by heavy handed policing.
Can you please let us know in what order we can discuss current events so we don't commit such a faux-pas again.
and hora, I can't think you really believe that state sponsored beating of peaceful protestors is somehow giving them what they deserve or not worthy of comment
and again the 2004 Countryside Alliance march where the State sponsored Police hit alot of people/provoked and conjolled.
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Pussy Riot do not have the right to protest they live in Russia where protest is illegal , that is why they are incredibly brave
Going into the Orthodox church and saying god is shit? You know the Orthodox church is a big thing in Russia- it was before Stalin before it was crushed but cameback.
As I said- do that in any church around the world and it'd range from community service (it may even be classed as a hate crime here now), right through to being executed in many countries.
You say brave, I say in the very least very disrespectful. To some it would be blasphemy and to others there would be a lynch mob-death for them.
What's a 'plastic-liberal'?
I think it is way worse than that 🙁Putin's Russia is just a fascist state
[i]and again the 2004 Countryside Alliance march where the State sponsored Police hit alot of people/provoked and conjolled. [/i]
and here you are 10 years on commenting on a bunch of yokels who wouldn't accept a democratic decision by their elected parliament so clearly you believe there is some merit in peaceful protest and that it should be allowed to pass off without heavy handed state intervention regardless of the gender or political views of those involved.
[note some of the above language may be deliberately inflammatory, much like hora and his Max Mosely post]
As they say themselves they are a group that dedicates itself against " the rise of the corporate Political elite who's power is directed against basic human rights and civil and political liberties"
Sounds like a silly little protest to me. 🙄
dont know much about the russian orthodox church do you hora?
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/05/13/us-russia-gay-idUSBRE94C0AX20130513
[plastic liberal mode]
Id say that your responses have more than a whiff of the classic male insecurity feeling threatened by self-empowered women [/plastic liberal mode]
and here you are 8 years on commenting on a bunch of yokels who wouldn't accept a democratic decision by their elected parliament
OK, being a bit picky here, but it was about making a voice heard against the [i]potential[/i] decision. Much like the anti-war protests that happened around the same time. It was not about not accepting a decision which had not yet been made, just voicing opposition to it.
That said, I agree in full that peaceful (as the CA march was) protest should not only be allowed to continue unhindered and unbeaten, but should actually be encouraged, as it engages more people in the political decisions that run a country.
Wtf has the countryside alliance got to do with it. There's right and wrong, hitting and kicking women for singing and dancing is wrong, I fail to see how you can claim otherwise you plastic fascist.
anagallis_arvensis - I fail
thats right.
fair do's cfh.
Much like the Iraq thing it was pretty much a foregone conclusion though 🙁
Going into the Orthodox church and saying god is shit?
You might want to read up on the incident.
The goal may be worthy indeed emsz, but their methods may still be silly at times. No contradiction there.
Wow your debating skills are really coming on Hora.
hitting and kicking women for singing and dancing is wrong
Can't argue with that really.
Unless you're hora, or the like, of course...
Wow your debating skills are really coming on Hora.
And he's typing with his forehead, fair play
You might want to read up on the incident.
Do you know the song words that they used and sang in there.
anagallis_arvensis - Member
Hora, do you have issues with women?
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Wow your debating skills are really coming on Hora
Sorry you started off with an unsubstantiated insult. How were you debating?
hora - Member
Do you know the song words that they used and sang in there.
Yes, do you?
Btw, what's a 'plastic-liberal'?
I'm really enjoying this winter Olympics. What they are doing just irritates
Indeed Hora spoiling a perfectly good sporting event by highlighting human rights issues....who could not be irritated by this?
Thank god you have perspective and fired one off at the "plastic liberals" and brought up the Countryside alliance - I mean who cannot see the similarities between these two groups?
* I bet you have to google her
I did not
there are far more important issues right now than a silly protest met by heavy handed policing.
you can say that about most issues including the Scottish referendum thread
+ 1 on NW on hiw folk complain about protesters seeking publicity
im a plastic liberal
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You were the one who seemed to want to sexualise the issue by brining up the whipping in a festishistic ( is that a word) manner hence my question. If you feel that was an insult you might want to get out more
by highlighting human rights issues
What were they singing? Again, people on here read the media but dont actually listen or read what they sang in the church.
Forgetting this- they do look like a bunch of amateur muppets shouting merely for attention/to shock.
If they really were trying to get a message across they'd talk/do interviews/write bloggs/move outside Russia/not dress up like they do and basically act really amateurist.
As for the 'Cossack whips can do alot of damage. Do you see how that one bloke was using his? You or I could show him how to use it to hurt someone- it wouldn't take much effort.
On the bundling/moving them roughly- Police here do this daily with protesters of all classes and causes.
No fella, you asked if I had a thing against 'women'. I have a thing against idiots.
hora - MemberWhat were they singing?
Virgin Mary, Mother of God, banish Putin
Banish Putin, Banish Putin!Congregations genuflect
Black robes brag, golden epaulettes
Freedom's phantom's gone to heaven
Gay Pride's chained and in detentionThe head of the KGB, their chief saint
Leads protesters to prison under escort
Don't upset His Saintship, ladies
Stick to making love and babiesCrap, crap, this godliness crap! [or shit, shit, the lord's shit]
Crap, crap, this holiness crap! [or shit, shit, this holy shit][Chorus]
Virgin Mary, Mother of God
Become a feminist, we pray thee
Become a feminist, we pray theeBless our festering bastard-boss
Let black cars parade the Cross
The Missionary's in class for cash
Meet him there, and pay his stashPatriarch Gundyaev believes in Putin
Better believe in God, you vermin!
Fight for rights, forget the rite –Join our protest, Holy Virgin
[Chorus]
Virgin Mary, Mother of God, banish Putin, banish Putin
Virgin Mary, Mother of God, we pray thee, banish him!
Again, all about context. Take a single line and you can make it something it's not.
hora - Member
If they really were trying to get a message across they'd talk/do interviews/write bloggs/move outside Russia/not dress up like they do and basically act really amateurist.
How would that get their message across? Who would pay attention.
And what better place to sing about state influence and corruption in the church, than in the church?
To save any need to Google the "offending lyrics"
(Chorus)
St. Maria, Virgin, Drive away Putin
Drive away! Drive away Putin!
(end chorus)
Black robe, golden epaulettes
All parishioners are crawling and bowing
The ghost of freedom is in heaven
Gay pride sent to Siberia in chains
The head of the KGB is their chief saint
Leads protesters to prison under escort
In order not to offend the Holy
Women have to give birth and to love
Holy shit, shit, Lord's shit!
Holy shit, shit, Lord's shit!
(Chorus)
St. Maria, Virgin, become a feminist
Become a feminist, Become a feminist
(end chorus)
Church praises the rotten dictators
The cross-bearer procession of black limousines
In school you are going to meet with a teacher-preacher
Go to class - bring him money!
Patriarch Gundyaev believes in Putin
Bitch, you better believed in God
Belt of the Virgin is no substitute for mass-meetings
In protest of our Ever-Virgin Mary!
(Chorus)
St. Maria, Virgin, Drive away Putin
Drive away! Drive away Putin!
(end chorus)
Not sure you would get sent to prison for singing that or it's equivalent in St Pauls
No fella, you asked if I had a thing against 'women'. I have a thing against idiots.
Ah a self-harmer
Can't argue with that really.Unless you're hora, or the like, of course...
Told ya. 😆
😆 @ yossarian
