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I don't think i'd want to be a cyclist OR a lorry driver in londaaaann
That cement truck driver doesn't like to give any room on the inside does he!
When I got knocked off last time, the doctor who I saw said she had just moved down from London, where she cycled everywhere. She refuses to cycle around here (a largish country town) as it feels too dangerous.
Glasses guy makes me want to sell my bike and buy a taxi.
Appropriate use of bed music BBC.woman who's daughter was killed by a cement truck....
Song choice: DJ Shadow, Organ Donor
priceless
Plenty of zombies in London ... 🙄
On both sides ...
stanfree -
The lad with the glaases is a COCK and I want to knock him off his bike too
Views like this scare me if you're being serious rather than "hilarious". He's only riding his bike FFS.
Heh...bop!
guy who tried to squeeze between the bus and the pick up - what a tool!
Those couriors = 😯
The woman who's daughter was killed looks a tortured soul. Very sad...
Skill = Luck?
Highclimber - yeah sorry, you didn't
Anyway, it's fixie racing now, what we've all be waiting for
As I thought, stupid people exist on bikes and in vehicles.
Two cyclists with glasses - both making good and valid points. One behaves sensibly, the other behaves apparently in a way that seems designed to antagonise. IT Gareth, think about it.
Alf (? Age 77) talked a lot of sense as does the mother who tragically lost her daughter.
Lessons learned - drive and cycle defensively, defuse conflict situations rather than antagonise, don't smack vehicles, take deep breathes, the aggro isn't worth it.
The cycle PC, "I wouldn't call these people cyclists, I would call them criminals." Well said.
Appropriate use of bed music BBC.woman who's daughter was killed by a cement truck....
Song choice: DJ Shadow, Organ Donor
The next track, while she was talking about the AGM, was:
Explosions In The Sky - First Breath After Coma
Plenty of zombies in London ...
Thing is, London works remarkably well. Everyone (cyclists, drivers, pedestrians) ignore red lights and act like idiots but surprisingly it all works very well 99% of the time. Organised chaos.
Alf talks a lot of sense, seems like a really sound bloke. Poor guy, losing his grandson like that. 🙁
London can be a pretty brutal place to drive around, let alone cycle. I've done enough of the former to steer me clear of the latter.
So far, the only person talking sense seems to be the mother of the girl killed by the cement truck..............
It's turning out to be quite balanced.
no mention of helmets yet...
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Those couriers should have their bikes taken away, crushed into a little can, and forced to drink their own urine out of their bike cans.
chipsngravy - Member
It's turning out to be quite balanced.
I'm following this on a car forum too, they seem to agree - minus a bit of a moan about flashing lights
So this was the programme that people were getting ready to write to their MPs about? Seemed fairly balanced to me in the end.
Not as anti bike nor as a sensational as I feared earlier. Makes me think about cycling and driving.
London's fine to cycle in - I have cycled to work off and on, no pun intended, for over 25 years. It is a lot better now as there are so many cyclists, even in the past it was n't bad. I only been knocked off five times and none of those were serious as it was pretty obvious it was going to happen so I could prepare.
Views like this scare me if you're being serious rather than "hilarious". He's only riding his bike FFS.
I was actually +1 the fact he was a COCK but forgot to use the quote function.
If you watch the clip he realises the taxi driver is calming down and walking away so he starts to try and antagonise him by clapping his hands. It seems all he wants to do is ride around looking for footage to post online.
Same production company as 24hrs in A&E?
7yrs central London commuting here-taught me to have 360degree vision on a bike
Good programme, pretty well balanced. I've seen most of the footage before except that HGV in Glasgow on the roundabout. I thought I'd had some near misses (and hits) on roundabouts but jeez, that was scary.
Well done to the BBC for saving licence payers money by not leaving a 1 mile radius of the studio.
Well done to the BBC for saving licence payers money by not leaving a 1 mile radius of the studio.
You do realise the studio is in Manchester now?
Edit: Oops, that was just BBC Brekkie, apologies.
Same production company as 24hrs in A&E?
Nope
A&E = [url= http://www.thegardenproductions.tv/index.html ]The Garden Productions[/url]
War On Britain's Roads = [url= http://www.leopardfilms.com/home ]Leopard Films[/url]
Surely should be named "War on LONDONS roads" (ok apart from the scary tanker incident in Glasgow).
Commuting in Cardiff seems pretty damn good now 🙂
Teamhurtmore
totally agree. All the incidents in the programme stem from one road user believing they have more rights than others..Lessons learned - drive and cycle defensively, defuse conflict situations rather than antagonise, don't smack vehicles, take deep breathes, the aggro isn't worth it.
Shame they threw in that courier racing (I assune thats not actually a frequent occurrence) otherwise reasonably balanced.
Cabbie losing his grandson cycling was a bit of a shocker.
Sad thing is, I don't think anyone talking on the programme had changed their views even with the benefit of hindsight 🙁
Those couriers should have their bikes taken away, crushed into a little can, and forced to drink their own urine out of their bike cans.
NO, they should be forced to drink my urine that's been stored for at least 12 months to ripen.
Then some fresh warm stuff.
Idiots
EDIT stan it still scares me that cyclists can watch the programme and all they take away is a personal opinion about that guy
All the incidents in the programme stem from one road user believing they have more rights than others..
What an utter crock.
Bring back TJ.
Gaz seemed alright to me, over did it when the taxi driver walked away but taxi driver had just refused to admit he endangered him, adrenaline and all that, gaz even said he regretted it. Couldn't believe taxi driver was defending his actions "I'd passed him" how could he slap your cab then numb nuts? (Had same thing happen to me Tuesday so a sore point)
Nt as sensationalist as expected
When the road rage bit was on mrs said what do you do if someone gets out of the car and walks up to you?
Er apologise? Back off? Run away?
NO! you hit him first! Driver only gets out of the car for one reason
Ok love will try to remember that.
Not a bad show IMO
I'm of the opinion that some people attract trouble on the roads. Drivers, riders, every type of user. Some people attract trouble like shit to a blanket
I've had the odd run in but nothing too bad really. Did a couple of weeks commuting in London in September and to be honest, I actually really enjoyed it. There loads of cyclists in the city now and I think the tide is turning in our favour.
Surely should be named "War on LONDONS roads"
I've suffered similar incidents to all of those just cycling round the New Forest / Hampshire. Been bounced across a roundabout very much like that tanker (but thankfully only a car), people pulling out, squeezed into the kerb, peds wandering randomly on shared use paths etc.
On a per cyclist/car ratio its probably little different to the major cities.
Wasn't as bad as I feared either. Balanced, there are cocks on bikes and in vehicles, who'da thunk it
Shame they threw in that courier racing (I assune thats not actually a frequent occurrence) otherwise reasonably balanced.
The courier racing (aka "Alleycat Races") were filmed 6 years ago by a professional American filmaker who allegedly didn't give the BBC permission to use it.
They're very rare now although they used to be reasonably well publicised in the courier world. Mostly just cos there are far fewer cycle couriers now than 5 years ago but also cos they're insanely dangerous - effectively a no-holds-barred wacky-races style bike race. They still have a couple of Alleycat Races (in one form or another) in New York and San Francisco.
When I heard about this program earlier this morning I was a little worried about the damage it would do. Having watched it, I think it was pretty well balanced. Sure there was parts that you wish you could have re-written, and I'd have liked it to deal with some of the attitudes towards our right to be on the road, such as the usual VED comments thrown our way. Considering that the mass majority of its viewers have probably never ridden on the road, and many already have grudges about cyclists, this was a good program to challange some of the views without basically alienating them and telling them they're all wrong. Instead it may make the odd one just think a little.
I was actually +1 the fact he was a COCK but forgot to use the quote function.
If you watch the clip he realises the taxi driver is calming down and walking away so he starts to try and antagonise him by clapping his hands. It seems all he wants to do is ride around looking for footage to post online.
He does come over as a bit of a Whopper. But to be fair he did say he shouldn't have clapped his hands in hindsight and he has a point in that if he could touch his cab he was too close.
Both as bad as each other really.
The guy Gareth. What he said was, for the most part pretty true. How he said it - pretty cringe-worthy. He crossed the line when he starts clapping the taxi driver, but seconds earlier the taxi driver almost killed him.
It's a shame he had such a prominent part as his attitude/persona didn't come across well and would have been seen by many cyclist haters as indicative of cyclists being arrogant w*nkers. no doubt the programme makers chose him quite deliberately.
The courier race sequence was completely unnecessary and just sensationalism - they could just have easily included a clip of people in modified cars breaking the speed limit on public roads. Tiny minority etc etc