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My friends like me and two sons think I’m a hero.
Everyone's friends like them, by definition, you great gallah. Young boys blindly idolising their fathers is far from unusual either.
All this political correctness posturing
"Political correctness," is essence, is simply Wheaton's Law. No posturing required.
It was national orgasm day at the weekend.
We had a party to celebrate, loads of people came.
I'm going to find some social scientists and teach them some statistics.
Young boys blindly idolising their fathers i far from unusual either.
It is in my house.
My boys think I’m an old prick because I switch their Xboxes off and make them eat broccoli.
Someone should send those boys a memo about white male privilege
Yea - explain to them that privilege will play a role in what happens next
I’m going to find some social scientists and teach them some statistics.
Point them towards the two Beagles thread, see if you can break them.
It was national orgasm day at the weekend.
Should’ve been national 48 hour day day 😉
It was national orgasm day at the weekend.
(not joking)
Come again?
My friends like me and two sons think I’m a hero.
What a strange post!
Is there anything you have done that is actually heroic or is it just standard boys looking up to their dad?
you great gallah.
Cougar - I hope you are going to give yourself a warning for insulting GT. Loud mouthed idiot is pretty insulting.
For example our political system is full of men who studied PPE at Cambridge 40 years ago.
I am struggling to think of anyone.
Yea – explain to them that privilege will play a role in what happens next
For most/many their "next";
The forces
The criminal justice system
Minimum wage/zero hours
The trades
you great gallah.
Today’s the ideal day to be discussing a large, pink cockatoo. 😉
For most/many their “next”;
The forces
The criminal justice system
Minimum wage/zero hours
The trades
You mean not all white males will go on to have successful international careers as scientists/engineers/IT mangers and get to waste time on STW? Still, I suppose someone as to deliver all my Amazon parcels.
I'm confused by this thread.
For years, we've tried to explain to the 'hard of thinking' that Women's Day isn't 'Anti-Men Day'. Now there's a Men's Day and the argument seems to be, we don't need it because, well Men, especially White ones (lord knows how race got pulled into this) are bestowed an easy life from birth, cause we're all part of some club and we look after each other and all that.
We should just shut up, enjoy our privilege and carry on.
Which is a great idea, it's worked well for decades, centuries probably.
Well apart from 4,300 or so Men who committed suicide last year, 3 times as many as Women, which seems at odds with the fact that twice as many Women as Men will seek help with mental health, it's almost as if Men would rather not talk to someone when things aren't going well.
Or self-medicate with Alcohol, which results in them representing 65% of all Alcohol related deaths in the UK, they're also twice as likely to be dependant on Alcohol.
Which leads to other problems like homelessness, 85% of homeless people are male.
But you know, it's all about thick as shit "when's Men's Day" moaners and that.
For years, we’ve tried to explain to the ‘hard of thinking’ that Women’s Day isn’t ‘Anti-Men Day’. Now there’s a Men’s Day and the argument seems to be, we don’t need it because, well Men, especially White ones (lord knows how race got pulled into this) are bestowed an easy life from birth, cause we’re all part of some club and we look after each other and all that.
Or the actual middle ground where we can be grateful for what we have, look after others and raise awareness without running off to the JP lecture notes.
Is there anything you have done that is actually heroic or is it just standard boys looking up to their dad?
Prince Charles visited my work one day and I dropped a fart at my desk whilst he was being briefed. My son emphatically hailed me as a hero and spread news of my valour around the playground the next day.
All joking aside is it "mans day today" ? I didn't get a card?
Who knew?!
Richard Herring.
What a strange post!
Is there anything you have done that is actually heroic or is it just standard boys looking up to their dad?
If you have children, then you will know the answer to that question.
All joking aside is it “mans day today” ? I didn’t get a card?
Neither did I, or even an email of congratulations. 👌🏻☹️
Ok, it was spli- pea soup and a sarnie, I can't lie.
First day of a MHFA facilitators course today, that's me doing my bit to try and help someone who needs it. Too many guys iIve served with are taking their lives post-service. So yay, our own day to think about the pretty somber stats. The rest of the noise, well, it's just that.
Same with white [privilege]. Advantages. It doesn’t mean you’re rich. It doesn’t mean you’re luckier than a lucky black guy. Nobody wants you to be crippled with guilt. Nobody has ever wanted that, or means those things.
It means you have an advantage, and all anyone is asking is that you *get* that. Once you get that, it’s pretty straightforward to all the further implications.
Same with white [privilege]. Advantages. It doesn’t mean you’re rich. It doesn’t mean you’re luckier than a lucky black guy. Nobody wants you to be crippled with guilt. Nobody has ever wanted that, or means those things.
It means you have an advantage, and all anyone is asking is that you *get* that. Once you get that, it’s pretty straightforward to all the further implications.
The world is not composed of tall people and short people - so, please, tell me, how tall is 'tall' and what are the advantages that are conferred at that height?
The world is not composed of tall people and short people – so, please, tell me, how tall is ‘tall’ and what are the advantages that are conferred at that height?
Yeah, cause no not really.... gender and race are the 2 most distinctive things people seem to judge on.
Can you explain how "toxic masculinity" is a bigoted term?
I don't think it means what you think it does.
toxic masculinity
Is that when it hurts to pee
Well I had no idea it was International Men's Day until I opened this thread, which is ironic as it appears to be full of ****s.
gender and race are the 2 most distinctive things people seem to judge on.
Those are the two things that everyone talks about judging on. In reality people are constantly judging on height, symetry of facial features, colour of clothing, you name it. They are not aware of those biases which is worse.
I had a BBQ and a week day (week evening) beer. Did it with my boys and showed the 6-year-old how to use matches for the first time. I thought about how to be a positive male role model to my boys and class.
Yes, white male privilege exists. However, as an educator, I see female privilege in action daily. Financial privilege (I work in an expensive school). Aesthetic privilege.
The notion of toxic masculinity, stale, male and pale etc make me frustrated as does the idea that celebrating or acknowledging or thinking about men's day is for knuckle draggers. Pussification is a real issue. Celebrate your masculinity. Celebrate your femininity. Celebrate your nationality and race and sexuality and dietary 'requirements'. Wheaton's Law will suffice in all situations; Kant's Categorical Imperative if you want to be a little fancier.
For example our political system is full of men who studied PPE at Cambridge 40 years ago.
They studied personal protective equipment?
And what about the men and women who feel neither masculine or feminine? What then? When do they get a look in?
That's the point about toxic masculinity, it's rubbishing the notion that a lack of masculinity in one way or another does not make you less of a man. Like talking about your feelings, wonder how many male suicides we could prevent if we did that more? It's nothing to do with saying traditional masculine traits are bad, only that absolute adherence to them can be.
All joking aside well put squirrelking.
But, squirrelking, absolute adherence to anything is stupid.
There are male traits and female traits. Men are more likely to have more male traits. Women are more likely to have more female traits. There's nothing wrong with celebrating them.
I think we we disagree on the premise. Why toxic masculinity? If I were a beard-wearing, wood-chopping, hunter-gatherer type, why am I toxic? These are masculine traits but there's nothing inherently bad there.
Do you believe in toxic femininity? I'd say that many typically feminine traits are 'toxic'. Would you?
What a strange post!
Is there anything you have done that is actually heroic or is it just standard boys looking up to their dad?
If you have children, then you will know the answer to that question.
Well I don't have children, so obviously I don't know the answer to that question.
Can you please answer it for me?
I'm assuming he does the fun bits and his other half does the not fun bits. OTOH we have Perchy taking one for the team - he's the real hero here!
There are male traits and female traits. Men are more likely to have more male traits. Women are more likely to have more female traits. There’s nothing wrong with celebrating them.
The research on the other thread basically said there is massive overlap between both genders and don't generalise. You also have to take social conditioning into consideration.
"The research on the other thread basically said there is massive overlap between both genders and don’t generalise. "
Generalisations can be useful especially as explanations. It depends on their application. If I look at employment statistics for tens of millions of men and women then I'd expect to see male and female 'jobs'. We see it in Scandinavian countries. They fit 'equality' measures yet there are distinct differences in sex-based outcomes re. employment.
In my classroom (of 13), I treat every child as an individual and encourage them to be their best selves. However, if you tell me in 35 years that my students went on to work in 'gendered' jobs, I wouldn't be surprised or disappointed or feel like I should have done something differently.
You say that we need to consider social conditioning. That's true. [b]But[/b], feminists and others who are hard of thinking buck every application of logic when they try to blame social constructs for sex-based differences. There are so many observable and provable physical differences between the sexes that it seems entirely moronic to suggest that they end above the adam's apple. Especially moronic when we know the brains are physically different before birth.
Given that brains are different for males and females from mid-gestation, why should we expect the same outcome?
Like how you emboldened 'but' so all the knuckle draggers eyes are immediately drawn to you suggesting feminists are hard of thinking.
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It's more than a suggestion. The issue I have is twofold.
1. no one in a role which requires public approval would have the balls* to say they aren't a feminist
2. anyone** who meets the definition of feminism as I see it is hard of thinking.
I asked why you need to be a knuckle dragger to think mens' day is a bad thing. Care to answer?
*irony intended
**people are deserting feminism in their droves. It's become a nasty, man-hating, sub-par branch of neoliberalism. Men and women are deserting this label in their droves. 80% of women distance themselves from the label. 45% think the term is an insult.
Feminism is a range of political movements, ideologies, and social movements that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve political, economic, personal, and social equality of sexes.This includes seeking to establish educational and professional opportunities for women that are equal to those for men.
What could your problem be with that?
80% of women distance themselves from the label. 45% think the term is an insult.
Where did you get this data from?
You sound like an American Redneck discussing "Liberals".
Well that didn't take long. 🙄
Why toxic masculinity? If I were a beard-wearing, wood-chopping, hunter-gatherer type, why am I toxic? These are masculine traits but there’s nothing inherently bad there.
I could be wide of the mark but my belief is there's nothing inherently wrong with you being a bearded lumberjack, but there's a whole gulf when you (or anyone else) start telling people they're wrong/bad/inferior because they're NOT bearded lumberjacks - that's the 'toxic' part and that's where the problems arise.
No single trait is toxic in isolation, the portrayal of a heirarchy based on those traits is the issue.
I asked why you need to be a knuckle dragger to think mens’ day is a good thing. Care to answer?
Fair question. I'm not really one to insist on applying labels to people because they behave in one way or another at some point in time. I don't mix with very many people at all socially so should probably shut up.
Wheaton’s Law will suffice in all situations; Kant’s Categorical Imperative if you want to be a little fancier.
Fancier? Don't you mean more educateder? Wheaton's Law I've always found to be frustratingly simplistic, almost idiotic, lacking. I'm pretty sure I've seen the likes of Hitler being called a dick for example. Ok that's easy then, I won't go and do some genocide today.. But then tomorrow I'll make a harmless crap joke and be called a dick for it. Oh no! I'm as bad as Hitler. What to do? Oh no now I've been pussified. This language is a messy business.