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Best stick to making the tea or whatever it is you do between posting (or is it the other way round?).
usually polishing my bowie knife or reading guns & ammo back issues.
usually polishing my bowie knife or reading guns & ammo back issues.
As I'd thought. 😐
No not really, no.
speeding kills more people than guns in the u.k.
speeding is a selfish pursuit of no benefit.
ban speeding and the ability to speed.
save lives.
speeding kills more people than guns in the u.k.
speeding is a selfish pursuit of no benefit.
ban speeding and the ability to speed.
save lives.
Do yourself a favour and read JY's last post.
MrSmith - MemberWas shooting people an accident? Did he just err?
i wasn't there but i guess he went apeshit?
So where is the equivalence with a car accident?
speeding is a selfish pursuit of no benefit.
yes those bastard ambulances rushing around for no real purpose and those fire engines eh What is that all about selfish deangerous bastards doing nothing for no one
Deary me this thread gets new height of hyperbole even without TJ
Again we all know cars are dangerous but a gun is designed to hurt/kill/maim it has no other purpose..you can point ot other things that can potetnially kill but this wont ever make guns safe
I bet cars have killed more people than nuclear weapons so perhaps we should remove cars from Iran and give them nukes .. can you see yet what a daft argument it is to make re cars and danger
So where is the equivalence with a car accident?
death.
i think the word 'accident' is a bit of a misnomer, it's as if using the word takes the blame from the driver who's not looking/speeding/drunk/using a mobile/daydreaming etc and causes death.
collision is much better and accident should be used for events not caused by the drivers actions like tyre blowouts or mechanical failure.
I bet cars have killed more people than nuclear weapons so perhaps we should remove cars from Iran and give them nukes
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yes those bastard ambulances rushing around for no real purpose and those fire engines eh What is that all about selfish deangerous bastards doing nothing for no one
it's obvious, like the army being allowed to legally kill, the emergency services can speed.
Again we all know cars are dangerous but a gun is designed to hurt/kill/maim it has no other purpose..you can point ot other things that can potetnially kill but this wont ever make guns safe
banning guns will not make people drive safely either.
MrSmith I was referring to:
MrSmith - Member"so here we have another shooting tragedy."
very sad, just like those people who kill their unseen child while parking the car on the drive or the pensioner who recently killed his wife by crushing her against the garage door.
[b]accidents happen, they are all avoidable but to err is human.[/b]
Which is why I asked if you thought the shooting was an accident. And you don't, so what the flying fig are you banging on about?
Keep hold of those straws btw, not many left.
Keep hold of those straws btw, not many left.
you make it sound like Chipps is going to come along and deliver the final verdict and maybe ban firearms.
it's a forum about bikes and shit not the house of lords/commons.
if you really give that much of a toss write to your M.P.
if you really give that much of a toss write to your M.P.
Jack Straw?
I could kill with a potato masher[ might take some time like but I could]
It would be time well spent if correctly targeted 🙄
Again we all know cars a re dangerous but a gun uis designed to hurt/kill/maim [u]legally[/u] it has no other purpose..you can point ot othe rthings that can potetnially kill but this wont ever make guns safe
Designed as a tool of war which is now being misused. I could be wrong on this. Weren't Oppenheimer and Nobel responsible for inventing weapons of mass destruction too. Or were their peace time discoveries/inventions hijacked by people who wanted to kill? Like I said, I could be wrong.
MrSmith - Member"Keep hold of those straws btw, not many left."
you make it sound like Chipps is going to come along and deliver the final verdict and maybe ban firearms.
it's a forum about bikes and shit not the house of lords/commons.
if you really give that much of a toss write to your M.P.
And they're gone!
http://www.bostonstandard.co.uk/news/crime/man_deliberately_plunged_car_into_river_1_3338208
http://www.newstoday.co.uk/3162/2011/10/five-year-old-girls-death-was-avoidable/
http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/feud-woman-drove-car-into-man-twice-1.331096?referrerPath=home/2.3307
http://www.****/news/article-181497/Man-gets-life-police-deaths.html
http://www.harlowstar.co.uk/News/MOTORIST-WHO-DROVE-INTO-CROWD-JAILED-FOR-15-MONTHS.htm
Bitty's still struggling.
I've only just come on this thread, looked boring so wondering how it got to 20 pages. Summary anyone? Why does it appear to be on car crashes now?
Also,
Why does it appear to be on car crashes now?
it is a car crash. thankfully nobody dies
Why does it appear to be on car crashes now?
Because defending guns is too difficult.
It's beyond strawman now:
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Quite an interesting thread (once past the squabbling) for someone who does probably a couple of dozen of FAC and SGC applications/renewals each year. I got one licence revoked recently, and am in the process of doing so for another, for various reasons. It's not an exact science unfortunately. I am inclined to agree that 5 years is too long between renewals.
Why does it appear to be on car crashes now?
Because the violent fantasists couldn't justify their violent fantasies about survivalist weekends spent a huntin' and a trappin' and a shootin' so thought it might be a good idea to compare cars to guns. I hope that they really don't have guns tbh if that's the kind of thought processes they experience. 😐
This thread is a car crash.
And they're gone!
Yes! you won. well done you.
here's a box for the last word
But cars are a tool for getting from A to B, with the occasional side effect of killing people.
Guns are a tool for killing people, with the side effect of sending people from A to the morgue.
I wouldn't mind owning a glock though.
It is because one is an accident and the other is using a device designed to kill - yiou have spotted that accidently killing someoen by error or omission is viewed as worse than going on a gun rampage .do you disagree ?
I personnally think society is blind to road deaths, we make it far too easy to drive badly, intoxicated and otherwise dangerously with little impact on the driver compared to the impact on the victimn. We wouldn't allow it in a workplace environment but because it's a car we go blind to the reality of what happens
the majority of gun deaths (discounting wars) are due to the misshandling of guns. If handling properly is your criteria policemen and the armed forces would be shooting each other in training constantly. The reality is that they train heavily to handle the weapons properly to avoid shooting each other.It is a chalk and cheese comparison a guns sole design purpose is to kill and maim a car can do this [ as can any inappropriately handled implement] where as a gun does it when handled properly
so are most kitchen knives, explain the difference to me please? some knives are even designed to kill people, what should we do about them?No a gun is not potentially dangerous it is only dangerous….
he went on agun rampage to comapre this to accidently killing a loved one in an accident is just stupid.
can we compare it to this then http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/182371
http://menmedia.co.uk/rochdaleobserver/news/s/1328388_jail_for_man_who_went_berserk_in_pub_rampage
mr smith you must be trolling on this page alone there are two examples of you contradicting yourself [ of cours eyou will denyy it I know] or you cannot form a logical argument either way what is the point debating this some more with you - that is rhetorical btw
RM they want to point out that cars are dangerous [ which no one is denying] as they seem to think this maikes guns safe..see if they accet my argument 😀
Good call Zulu cars are lethal and guns and nukes are safe so Iran then we need to give them those harmless nukes and guns as well as they are both less dangerous lets arms people and deprive them of cars...its the only way to save lives
Because the violent fantasists couldn't justify their violent fantasies about survivalist weekends spent a huntin' and a trappin' and a shootin' so thought it might be a good idea to compare cars to guns. I hope that they really don't have guns tbh if that's the kind of thought processes they experience.
I fantasise about a full nights sleep and more time to ride the bike 😉
had thought about target archery as a de-stresser as I've somewhere to practice close by, but I'll probably get accused of Rambo or Robin Hood fantasies 🙄
guns? never wanted one.
Junky, wouldn't it be a reasonable proposition that, if we policed car ownership/licencing on the same basis as firearms, there would be a significant reduction in road deaths?
History of alcohol problems, depression or self harm - we remove your driving licence.
sound reasonable?
RM they want to point out that cars are dangerous [ which no one is denying] as they seem to think this maikes guns safe..see if they accet my argument
And both sides have been arguing this for 15 pages or something?
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I'm out.
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History of alcohol problems, depression or self harm - we remove your driving licence.sound reasonable?
Only if there's a correlation between the two (those problems and car crashes).
sound reasonable?
No.
I'd go so far as to say it sounds completely thick which even by your standards in the latter part of this thread, is pushing things.
Nice links Zulu, did you not notice:
[url] http://www.****/news/article-2017535/Mother-crashed-car-intentionally-kill-daughters-row-husband.html [/url]
According to ABC, the children were brought to a local hospital and treated for [b]minor injuries that included cuts and bruises.[/b]
[url] http://www.bostonstandard.co.uk/news/crime/man_deliberately_plunged_car_into_river_1_3338208 [/url]
Gareth Nolan, of Woad Farm Road, was found by emergency services clinging to a rope in the water in the early hours of Thursday morning
[url] http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/feud-woman-drove-car-into-man-twice-1.331096?referrerPath=home/2.3307 [/url]
Mr Robinson suffered [b]scratches and abrasions to his arms, and swelling to both legs just below the knees[/b], where the bumper had hit him, Mr Nance said.
A MAN [b]tried[/b] to kill his ex-wife by driving his car onto a pavement and hitting her....
But miraculously she escaped with [b]bruising and swelling[/b], Mold crown court heard.
Revellers were ‘knocked down like skittles’ as they fled in terror from Lee Anthony Bradley, 26, as he sped along the pavement in a Saab 93, Bolton Crown Court heard.Seven women and seven men were taken to hospital with injuries following the incident last October outside a strip of bars and clubs in Packer Street, Rochdale.
The court heard that it was a “miracle” [b]no one was killed.[/b]
[url] http://www.harlowstar.co.uk/News/MOTORIST-WHO-DROVE-INTO-CROWD-JAILED-FOR-15-MONTHS.htm [/url]
Collins deliberately drove her Ford Ka into a group of people standing on a green at the junction with St John's Road, [b]injuring several teenag-ers including two young men who sustained broken legs[/b]. She drove away and abandoned the car.
Quite inefficient as weapons, as your links show.
Quite inefficient as weapons, as your links show.
lack of target practice. should have used a bigger weapon.
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lots of stuff are banned like cock fighting, badger baiting, hare coursing and dog fights .....folk liked those as hobbies too -
and lots of people still do it as they refuse to doth there caps to people like you!
Because the violent fantasists couldn't justify their violent fantasies about survivalist weekends spent a huntin' and a trappin' and a shootin' so thought it might be a good idea to compare cars to guns
im a survivalist, and id eat you!! yum yum..
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the majority of gun deaths (discounting wars) are due to the misshandling of guns.
How can you discount wars - you cannot remove the vast majority of gun deaths and then draw a conclusion form what is left over ...well not with any credibility.
Perhaps you are claiming all the hunters are accidently killing the things they are shooting at with the gun?
Look if you want to compare cars to guns then see the Iran example re guns and nukes it is clearly a poor argument though in true STW fashion we could argue it ad infinitium but it is still BS and comparing chalk and cheese for all the previously mentioned reasons.
Thanks for giving me an example of someon misusing a car [ it was actually someone elese car and he stole it from him/overpowered him and took it ]as a comparison to someone using a gun appropriately and killing stuff
oh tyes despite all this he failed to kill anyone imagine if he gone as ape with a gun
One of the men managed to jump out of the way and took cover behind a parked car, but the other man was knocked down.Pinkney drove over him as he lay on the ground before speeding off.
The glass collector suffered nine broken ribs, a broken wrist and a fractured shoulder.
and lots of people still do it as they refuse to doth there caps to people like you!
You seem to think I made the laws or was alive when these laws were pased
You need to get better at trolling tbh its all just to earnest and obvious.
JUMP UP JUMP UP AND GET DOWN!
This truly is very impressive. Now where do you all stand on catapults?
Catapults have utility. They offer cheap flights to maggots that otherwise wouldn't be able to afford to travel widely.
Trebuchets FTW!
Perhaps you are claiming all the hunters are accidently killing the things they are shooting at with the gun?
no I'm claiming that mishandled guns kill more people than people shooting people (outside armed conflict). Gun "accidents" are commonplace where people don't act responsibly
the fact that the armed forces/ police have guns and use them isn't relevant to a debate on private ownership unless you are proposing the complete disarming of the UK
Look if you want to compare cars to guns
I am comparing them only in the aspect that they are both licenced use of equipment, that there are restrictions on ownership and use, and that the health of the licensee is relevant to the ability to hold the licence. A gun properly used won't kill people the same as a car properly used
my view as stated before is that appropriately licenced use for both activities is appropriate, the fact that neither licensing regime is perfect is relevant as you are not applying the same standards in wanting to ban the private use of one but not the other
How can you discount wars - you cannot remove the vast majority of gun deaths and then draw a conclusion form what is left over ...well not with any credibility
The majority of those with a gun in a war (or conflict or security operation) will not have a gun license. I thought this was about private gun ownership?
I tend not to stand on catapults as they have a tendency to fling things quite far at quite some force.
I would enjoy using one to fling my own poo at the funeral cortege of a certain UK PM when it dies.
I have one made of Legos:
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I want a mint catapult
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