On the first page of this thread I posted this:
Went to car fest south this year and sat in a Jaguar F-Pace, I'm 5' 10" (just) and sat behind a 5' 10" driver left me with a very very small amount of leg room.For such a big car the inside is very tight/cramped.
For me IMHO so many of the SUVs you see on the roads are just status symbols, nothing wrong with that if that's your thing but for me most SUVs are way too big externally for the practical space they offer.
I've driven a Williams Clio, M3s (E30, E36) and 911s and if I wanted something flash/fast/fun they'd be my choice again, but if I want something practical then a big SUV doesn't give me enough useable space for my money.
@ghostely yes you are quite correct I was speaking about the demise of the Landy (ie Defender). You can see its the rest of the range esp the Sport models which are providing the sales and profits.
[quote=jambalaya ]@ghostely yes you are quite correct I was speaking about the demise of the Landy (ie Defender).
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You could just admit you're wrong occasionally - I'm completely sure people wouldn't think any less of you for it.
Unfortunately our society is going more narcisssistic and people go beyond their means to get "status symbol" cars on easy finance.
They are spending tomorrows pension pots on impressing the neighbours today.
That fills me with dread, and its why I shudder when I see a status SUV.
The cars them selves are brilliant, comfortable, safe easy to drive all the toys, I'd have one if I wasn't saving for my future, but I'd never buy a new one.
[quote="jambalaya"]You can see its the rest of the range esp the Sport models which are providing the sales and profits.Sales, yes. Profits, No. Defender was a cash cow for landrover for a couple of decades.
I got the impression that Land Rover were selling as many Defenders as they could make in recent years.
I know there's not much love on here for SUVs, but I think I'd prefer one to an estate car for everyday use.
Well, I've just seen a convertible Ranger Rover Evoque in the street. I'm not sure how it'll cope with a couple of sheep and maybe some feedsacks in the back, although it will give the Border Collie a nice view of the countryside.
Like those Merc pick-ups.
The Mercs are pretty much rebadged Nissan Navarro's if you are interested.
The Mercs are pretty much rebadged Nissan Navarro's if you are interested.
With a wider range of engines too.
Like that ^^ 😀
I had a Macan. It's not where I left it when I went out for a meal with friends.
At least the mercs are trying something other thand grey or black 'premium plastics'......
At least the mercs are trying something other thand grey or black 'premium plastics'......
Judging by the state of that it's like saying at least someones trying something other than tinder to find a girlfriend when they go out digging up corpses and bringing them home
@ghostely yes you are quite correct I was speaking about the demise of the Landy (ie Defender). You can see its the rest of the range esp the Sport models which are providing the sales and profits.
Yet no mention of the fact you got the reason for it going out of production wrong. As mentioned above, it couldn't be made to meet current necessary standards. Nothing to do with sales.
They are going to make another.
God awful things anyway, why anyone would want one is beyond me. I'd prefer a T5, and that's saying something.
It would seem, from the patronising and condescending remarks made by some here, that every SUV on the road is some monster, 2-tonne behemoth like a Range Rover Sport, Merc GLC, VW Toureg, Audi Q5/7...
The actual reality is that the great majority are crossover cars like the Qashqai, Mokka, i35, Tucson, etc, all of which are no larger than an average family car, are often shorter but taller. There are plenty of family MPV-type cars, Galaxy, Touran, S-Max, B-Max, C-Max, Zafira, etc, which are physically bigger, being 7-seater rather than five.
The reason people like these cars, and why they're so popular with Motability, is because they're so much easier to get in and out of. I'm finding it increasingly awkward getting out of regular saloon/hatchback cars, especially in tight parking spaces, as I get older; cars which have the seating set several centimetres higher makes it so much easier to slide in and out of.
I'm seriously looking at getting a Mokka, they're nice to drive, well-styled, come as a 4x4, which can be very handy, along with good tyres, around the shitty lanes where I live, but most of all, getting in and out is just so much easier!
Can't believe this has got to 9... well done everybody... well done.
Who needs all of these practical yet sporty vehicles.
I saw a bloke on the M4 today with a quad bike on the back of his 3 series convertible...
Roof down, resting on the roof cover and some 3x2 sitting on the window sills.
Don't worry he had it safely tied down with a bit of twine...
bikebouy - MemberLike that ^^
matt_outandabout - MemberAt least the mercs are trying something other thand grey or black 'premium plastics'......
In a pickup though? GTFO.
The screen on the Merc. does look like they pinched a fake iPad from the market and botched it onto the dash.
And stole the rest of the interior from Liberaci's caravan..
bikebouy - MemberMaserati levante,
You?
I normally like Maseratis. But.....this? Bleurgh. Maybe it looks better in the flesh?
Front end all pointy & aggressive - just the thing for shoe horning the meek cars out of the way in the mornings
Middle bit - nothing really happening, not much to say
Back end - looks like it's from a different car from the front. Did they run out of time/money & give up on it?
Oh, and the wheels look too small.
Nope. Nope. Nope.....
I like the Macan though....
We've got a C3 Picasso, which is more people carrier than SUV. The resident petrol head at work who has to have an opinion on anything car-related took very little time in bemoaning all 'those large people carriers that are pointless & take up so much space & you'd be better off in an estate and.....blah blah'
Until we pointed out it's about a foot shorter than his girlfriend's Focus but is much more practical inside, has seats that fold away completely flat, a much more usable boot, sliding rear seats for practicality, short rear doors so easy to load baby into the back in tight parking spaces as well as a higher seating position in the rear so less stooping to put the baby in........but hey, it's not like we spent a lot of time looking at the options and considering our choices....
bikebouyMaserati levante,
From the middle of the rear door back it's a mess. And completely at odds with the front. The front looks okay, although it would benefit from a better stance, maybe bigger arches, bigger wheels. The back end just looks like a Qashqai - unforgiveable.
Never even heard of a porsche macan till I stumbled into this thread, appear to be 2 a penny in Kensington and driven by an arsehole in Beaconsfield judging by my now broadened horizon
Maserati levante,
****ING gopping
why in the name of all thats holy would anyone pick that over a Quattroporte. (or any nicely made sports saloon for that matter)
why in the name of all thats holy would anyone pick that over a Quattroporte. (or any nicely made sports saloon for that matter)
I think you're forgetting that people who buy SUV's mostly seem to do so because of the perceived image/status thing. I don't thing most of them are particularly worried that it might not be the best car out there!
I think you're forgetting that people who buy SUV's mostly seem to do so because of the perceived image/status thing. I don't thing most of them are particularly worried that it might not be the best car out there!
Well I don't know a single person who bought one for "status" - 4wd, high driving position and visibility for kids, easy to put kids in back seats (less bending) ... as I said before the Macan is easily the best all round car for me in the Porsche range, I'd much rather have one than another A6 Avant Quattro.
Here is its back end, it is qashkai like innit 😆
The new Maserati Qashvente...
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Grand Turismo makes a wonderful sound and very desirable, would I spend double Macan money to buy one - nope
My Mothers got one of those 3008sw things.. it's actually not a bad car, might look blurgh, but is a nice thing to pop to the shops in.
as I said before the [b]Macan[/b] is easily the best all round car for me in the [b]Porsche[/b] range, I'd much rather have one than another [b]A6 Avant Quattro.[/b]
No nothing to do with status.









