Ahead of the local elections in May, this just dropped through the door
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Newsnight the other night were saying that this is being rushed in without sufficient planning and reporting that some councils are requesting a police presence at polling stations in anticipation of people kicking off when being told they can't vote.
Its also been pointed out that this is a 'solution' to a problem that doesn't exist, as voter fraud simply isn't an issue in this country
I can't see this as anything other than a corruption of democracy by the Tory's in an attempt to pervert the electoral process in their favour. For example you can use an Oyster card as ID, but only an over 60's Oyster card. Why would that be then?
Was everyone even aware of this?
"Passport", just current or also expired?
Long overdue. Should cut down on voter fraud in certain areas.
I was aware of it, yeah. To be fair I have seen posters around the place.
Its also been pointed out that this is a ‘solution’ to a problem that doesn’t exist, as voter fraud simply isn’t an issue in this country
I can’t see this as anything other than a corruption of democracy by the Tory’s in an attempt to pervert the electoral process in their favour.
I would agree.
Seems I missed a visit from our prospective Tory councillor this morning, which is a shame...
Passport and driving licence photo card don't have to be valid now iirc, simply has to have a photo that represents how you look today.
I've started the ball rolling for a postal vote.
Long overdue. Should cut down on voter fraud in certain areas.
Care to expand with actual facts? I'll give you a chance to pull them together whilst I put the kettle on, we're out of biscuits though.
Long overdue. Should cut down on voter fraud in certain areas.
It'll cut it by 50% i guess.
From 4 people, down to 2...
Long overdue. Should cut down on voter fraud in certain areas.
These "certain areas", is that where you live and do you want to admit a crime?
FWIW I've voted for 40 years now and not once has anyone used my vote, any of my family or friends (because it'd certainly be a story to tell) or have I ever heard of an issue anywhere I've ever lived.
@daveylad you mean the "widespread" voter fraud that the proponents of this scheme can't show evidence for while the implementation of this scheme will disenfranchise a far greater number of people (evidence for this has been shown).
This isn't about stopping voter fraud, this is about (non-tory) voter suppression.
Completely unnecessary.
It's been well publicised but there will be some who say...news to me.
If FB, twitter and some bloke down the pub are your news sources...
Seen it around the internet for a few months now. We both postal vote though...
Its also been pointed out that this is a ‘solution’ to a problem that doesn’t exist, as voter fraud simply isn’t an issue in this country
I can’t see this as anything other than a corruption of democracy by the Tory’s in an attempt to pervert the electoral process in their favour.
Agreed on the first part. No doubt the second is true too but surely the older generation are the ones less likely to have photo id?
Look at the past posts by daveylad, they clearly like low effort trolls (and are often effective tbf...)
Completely unnecessary.
It's been well publicised but there will be some who say...news to me.
If FB, twitter and some bloke down the pub are your news sources...
chvck - your comment about daveylad is right; piss poor troll - another on the 'ignore' list.
I've got an Over 60 Oyster Card and can assure everyone that I will certainly NOT be voting Tory!
IIRC there's more electoral fraud convictions and cautions for the candidates and their organisations (several thousand people involved) than the electorate (near as dammit 50 million people).
voter fraud is rare because no one monitors it,
it would be interesting to see how many out of 100 voters are legit,
it'd be like watching a police camera action show, when speeding/drunk motorists cannot remember their own name let alone be carrying any ID.
Was everyone even aware of this?
Yes - it's been publicised a fair bit.
Anyway, it's good to see Bury Council haven't been splurging taxpayers money on logo design! 🤣
Swiss 721 Black - solid yellow with black keyline. 👌👌
Since the last general election, we've had more prime ministers than convictions for election fraud* - remind me what the problem was?
*not fact checked, but close enough
Tory gerrymandering. Verging on corruption and vote stealing.
That the demographic least likely to have photo I.D. are also the least likely to vote Tory.
The only positive I can see is that this demographic are more likely to carry it with them, and therefore less likely to turn up to vote without it.
In May, any one else up for trying to use their expired passport as ID?
it must be a conspiracy, obvs
yep.. another barrier for against people to vote.. only for those that can drive or go on holiday can. Suprised they arent also asking for deeds on property as evidence too. That should win them the election.
voter fraud is rare because no one monitors it,
Ever turned up and the poll staff tell you you've already voted? Me neither.
I like @daveylad's posts. They remind me why I no longer use Facebook or Twitter. Unusual that they post their moronic shit here, but I guess we all need a hobby.
For anyone who doesn't believe electoral fraud is taking place in this country don't you remember what was written on the side of that ****ing bus! 🙂
voter fraud is rare because no one monitors it,
Excellent. Let's not monitor it, then.
For anyone who doesn’t believe electoral fraud is taking place in this country don’t you remember what was written on the side of that **** bus!
👏👏👏👏👏👏
Photo ID is so last century, I would expect nothing less than a retina scan in my village hall before being allowed my excercise democratic right to marginally and pointlessly chip away at the massive Tory majority of my local MP's safe seat.
If fraud were happening then you'd get turned away at the station wouldn't you? As your name would have been ticked off the list?
voter fraud is rare because no one monitors it
Except they do, the parties all send representatives to the polling stations and counts. There are also independent checkers. And also all this stuff is stuck in a big data machine by people more clever than me. And none of those three sets of checks have ever come up with any major fraud!
One thing we can do is help people who don't have ID to get it.
I work at a local drop-in centre and we'll be asking everyone who comes in if they have photo ID or need help with getting a voter ID document if they don't - we have one month and people need to be registered to vote to begin with
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/voter/voter-id
If you don't have accepted photo ID, you can apply for a free voter ID document, which is known as a Voter Authority Certificate.
The deadline to apply for a Voter Authority Certificate for the local elections in England on 4 May 2023 is 5pm on Tuesday 25 April 2023.
I'm not much of a facebook or twitter user and maybe tiktok reaches more young people anyway but hopefully this is already getting shared, it's worth sharing widely.
Has anything been said what will happen if turnout is massively down on average? Or will we turn a blind eye to that fraud?
One thing we can do is help people who don’t have ID to get it.
I work at a local drop-in centre and we’ll be asking everyone who comes in if they have photo ID or need help with getting a voter ID document if they don’t – we have one month and people need to be registered to vote to begin with
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/voter/voter-id
If you don’t have accepted photo ID, you can apply for a free voter ID document, which is known as a Voter Authority Certificate.
The deadline to apply for a Voter Authority Certificate for the local elections in England on 4 May 2023 is 5pm on Tuesday 25 April 2023.
I’m not much of a facebook or twitter user and maybe tiktok reaches more young people anyway but hopefully this is already getting shared, it’s worth sharing widely.
This is a good point, I've just stuck it on our local Facebook group
Has anything been said what will happen if turnout is massively down on average? Or will we turn a blind eye to that fraud?
Thats the aim of it so nothing will be done. I doubt we will see a massive drop but it will have a disproportionate effect on young, urban, lower income folk ie labour voters
Its common in many other countries - I don't see it being a problem.
In fact, it might bite the Conservatives in the ass because many older voters don't have in-date passports, photo ID, or even know what time of day it is.
Imagine Mrs B. Racist turning up to the polling station on a cold and rainy day and being turned away. "I'm not bloody getting the bus all the way home to pick up my passport!"
they know it will disproportionately effect labour voters. thats why it has been done. also note the forms of ID.
Imagine Mrs B. Racist turning up to the polling station on a cold and rainy day and being turned away. “I’m not bloody getting the bus all the way home to pick up my passport!”
But this is the problem, passport or not - old Mrs B.Racist will still likely be able to vote with their bus pass. Worse still, younger voters with a similar travel cards can't use them to vote.
many older voters don’t have in-date passports
It doesn't have to be in date, as long as it's still recognisably you.
Has anything been said what will happen if turnout is massively down on average? Or will we turn a blind eye to that fraud
They’ll be popping the champagne corks at Tory central office as it’ll mean mission accomplished. They don’t even bother to try and hide their moves to undermine democracy. Just another part of the toxic legacy of Boris Johnson
Still not sure why it disadvantages left-wing voters. There's got to be just as many tatted-up BNP voters without ID to balance things out!
I can't wait for my next Poll Clerk stint and all the people getting assey about this 🙄😔😔😔😔
But this is the problem, passport or not – old Mrs B.Racist will still likely be able to vote with their bus pass. Worse still, younger voters with a similar travel cards can’t use them to vote.
I had no idea about this one - that has to fail on age discrimination somehow, at least?
