I think it may have improved in some ways. Certainly on the roads, I notice that it is the oldest generations often give me the least consideration whilst riding. The younger folk are more clued up and better connected. Better tuned in with expected good behaviour.
On the other side of the coin we are becoming an increasingly densely populated world, and also disconnected socially in physical ways.
Many people though, I just don't understand. Like those who sit in the pick-up point, or park in disabled bay completely out of their own selfishness. I don't get how anyone can do that and not feel embarrassed. And can only assume that's the way they're wired up and will always exist.
people are a lot nicer than they were even a decade ago
kids are more respectful and people are generally more willing to be congenial
It's summin to do with social media according to some research...
Many people though, I just don't understand. Like those who sit in the pick-up point, or park in disabled bay completely out of their own selfishness. I don't get how anyone can do that and not feel embarrassed. And can only assume that's the way they're wired up and will always exist.
Definitely in some cases, but some people are just amazingly unaware and have never realised that they are causing trouble.
'There's one **** in every room. If you look around and can't see them, then it's probably you'
We discussed this, or similar, yesterday at a ride leaders course I was on for my road club. When I started riding, there was a grizzled old roadie who'd shadow you for the first few rides and 'give you advice' about your riding, gear selection, how to follow wheels, when to eat and drink, all the stuff that riding safely in a group at speed entails. Nowadays we have people on rides who have undoubted levels of fitness but comparatively poor actual skills, to the extent of being dangerous at times; overlapping wheels, unable to hold a line around bends and so on. Yet some (and I'm going to stick my neck out for a broad demographic here - middle aged, affluent, mainly men - although as this is a cycling club that is not an under represented group) just won't accept any advice however nicely given.
I was doored about 20 years ago through inexperience and it wasn't nice; it won't happen again. So when I saw a bloke shaving past parked cars I commented in a nice way that leaving a door's width gap might be safer. And he gave me a mouthful for offering it.
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confirmation bias in full effect
could you have picked a more specific demographic to draw your conclusions from?!
That's like someone asking 'has anyone noticed an unusual number of gorillas in the British countryside lately?'
and you replying 'why yes, I had noticed that.. In fact I've seen a group of gorillas almost every day this year, in my job as a zookeeper'
interesting how split we are over this. My view is that selfish behaviour has got much worse - just from what I have seen over the last 40 odd years
I also find younger folk more aggressive and unpleasant - not so much kids but people in their 20s especially women in cars. Who I have had some of the worst road rage incidents from
accepted, Yunki, but they're also the ones in the disabled spaces at the supermarkets, parking their 4x4's on the pavement to drop the kids off, so it might be a bit of confirmation bias but just because it's in effect here doesn't mean that it's not the group that causes most of these types of issues.
And agree with TJ on rubbish angry close pass drivers......
I suspect there are just as many ****s as there always were as a proportion, but we have more interactions on a daily basis as the population is higher. I also think that every generation begins to think the world is going to the dogs as they get older and harks back to some earlier, mythological golden age.
RE parking like a **** in supermarkets, I worked in Tesco in the 90s and it was just as prevalent then!
Get a spine man!
.Man parked in the 'dropping off' area at the supermarket, it is clearly marked as such and he spent 30 minutes dropping off. Perhaps you wanted to drop someone elderly off or someone in a wheelchair but you couldn't coz this arsehole was parked there smoking a stinking fag.
Block them in as close as you can get.
.Several people parked over the path outside the school so people with a pram (me!) are forced to walk in the road dodging other cars, arseholes!!
Squeeze past while something unfortunately hard and pointy scratches all the way down the side of their car, or as I often do fold in their wing mirror to get through.
.Watching a swimming lesson for my 5yr old and there's a woman with a young child who every week lets him watch **** peppa pig on a tablet with the sound up......
Tablet >>>> swimming pool. Or just ask the parent to be more considerate? Or stop getting so wound up, it's not like it's the quiet carriage on a train.
Bottling things up is not healthy. Either do something about it or adjust your own attitude to live and let live.
Any good and bad tales with intervening with folk being antisocial?
Good.
I saw some kids who where with their mother dropping rubbish just outside my front door. I asked her nicely to get the kids to pick it up and bin it. She was very embarrassed and did so. Hopefully it might make a tiny differnce
Bad ( this was debated at the time and my actions questioned by many)
Sitting at traffic lights on my bike. Car next to me the window opens and half eaten takaway sandwich in its wrappers chucked out splashing my rear wheel. I picked it up and chucked it back thru the window - cue huge rage from them and a chase around the streets with they guy really trying to knock me off my bike which ended with me crashing trying to get away. another car driver did stop and help me up tho.
Or maybe bell ends just stand out more and regular folk just pass on by.
I think that people are getting more selfish and ignorant. There's barely a trip out anywhere where I don't encounter someone exhibiting these behaviors on at least some level. From the pushy drivers overtaking parked cars, forcing you to stop, then not acknowledging you to the twunts who gasp that they've forgotten something when their shopping is being checked out and run back off into the shop to get it. To be honest, trying to tackle these people will just end up in an argument or fight and that would allow them to delay me further.
Sometimes if I have got the time, I have simply stopped my car when someone is overtaking parked cars and not given way. A stand off then ensues where I just cross my arms and stare. It usually does the trick. If pushed I will give a firm shake of the head and mouth the word 'no'. Small victories.
do you dish out that look?
Salivating at the thought of a ginger naan
i once complained on here that some lad had left all his kit in the last free space at Glentress carpark, claiming hed rserved it for his mate who was on his way...
The STW masses told me to stop whining and get over it as i recall
just saying....
That's to you thoughtless ginger nan eating ham sandwiches in all our Snowdon photos, c#nt!!!
there's only one person who sounds like a c*nt in this story, and it isn't the old lady eating sandwiches on a hill.
People are ****s, they have always been ****s. The fact that they are sometimes ****s in front of you has no bearing on whether there are more or less ****s in the world. Of course there are more ****s now than before, there are more people now than before.
What, do you suspect, drives the selfish / inconsiderate behaviour?
It's not just in the car park or highways. Corporate world. Politics. Religions. There are always those who want to get ahead no matter what, where and how.
Human nature?
A hangover of millennia past where survival of the fittest, strongest ensured that you are here today, reading and contributing to this thread. Survival gene, which technically speaking, in an ideal world and society isn't required anymore. But without it, the human species will fail due to its support of the weaker gene's.
Oops.
For me, it's a coalescence of environmental, genetic and experiential factors which really add up to someone being a ****.
I've met some pretty weak people who happen to be ****s as well.
What I'm saying is that some people are born ****s, some have it thrust upon them and some have to work at it.
They're still all ****s though.
I can't confront someone about their selfishness in public. If they haven't worked it out for themselves then they obviously think they are not doing anything wrong, so some random bloke asking them to stop will have no affect other than to piss them off. The children with devices in public with the sound up is a scurge of the modern age, I really detest it, seeing it more and more in public, in pubs when you're trying to have a quiet meal with your family 👿
Currently in lanzorote on holiday ,and the amount of Brits and Germans getting up before it's properly light just to put their towels over 4 sunloungers and not using them for hours is madness and against hotel rules but as usual no one gives a monkeys about the rules !!
jekkyl; I disagree, some people genuinely don't realise; and in any case if you don't confront it in effect you condone it.
and on the subject of being inconsiderate, women, why do you feel the need to be attached by one hand to your supermarket trolley at all times, even if it means a huge both arm stretch to the nearest tat your buying, its not your trolley, you dont own it or even the food inside it till you leave the store.
Agreed. As a sweeping generalisation I find southerners more open minded, then as you move further north the 'small town attitude' creeps in to the point where you feel uncomfortable if you happen to look, act etc bit different.
Aye. I was talking to a ****stani taxi driver in London. When I said I was from Yorkshire, he told me about his relatives in Bradford. I asked him if he'd consider moving up there. He said (and I paraphrase a bit - his English wasn't the best) "no - it's racist up north. On my street in Ealing, everyone from different backgrounds lives side by side, but up North people of different races are segregated into different parts of town."
There's some truth in that.
Currently in lanzorote on holiday ,and the amount of Brits and Germans getting up before it's properly light just to put their towels over 4 sunloungers and not using them for hours is madness and against hotel rules but as usual no one gives a monkeys about the rules !!
In a decent hotel the staff will throw the towels in the pool 😀
Aye. I was talking to a ****stani taxi driver in London. When I said I was from Yorkshire, he told me about his relatives in Bradford. I asked him if he'd consider moving up there. He said (and I paraphrase a bit - his English wasn't the best) "no - it's racist up north. On my street in Ealing, everyone from different backgrounds lives side by side, but up North people of different races are segregated into different parts of town."
There's some truth in that.
There is; it's called Bradford.
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I think that people are getting more selfish and ignorant. There's barely a trip out anywhere where I don't encounter someone exhibiting these behaviors on at least some level. From the pushy drivers overtaking parked cars, forcing you to stop, then not acknowledging you to the twunts who gasp that they've forgotten something when their shopping is being checked out and run back off into the shop to get it. To be honest, trying to tackle these people will just end up in an argument or fight and that would allow them to delay me further.Sometimes if I have got the time, I have simply stopped my car when someone is overtaking parked cars and not given way. A stand off then ensues where I just cross my arms and stare. It usually does the trick. If pushed I will give a firm shake of the head and mouth the word 'no'. Small victories.
'kin 'ell...
Are you from up north too?
Just wondering, as it sounds like most people on here live in a different place to me.
Here in the most crowded part of the country these sort of incidents are rare as hens' teeth. People tend to get on with each other.
Can everyone posting please give their age, sex and location. Wherever you all are it sounds shit.
(53, M, Surrey, Sussex. Hants borders)
55 edinburgh
My experience of "down south" is its a lot worse - but people live in their own little bubbles there so don't notice as much? Not that I've been south for 10 years now.
it shows...
I did live in London for a year. One of the reasons I left
