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I doubt that very much. Very few threads appear with positive messages, but the witch hunt threads seem to get a lot of attention.
Probably should read more into the fact that the complaining stopped, no?
Or the complaining stopped because the complainants got fed up of being ignored?
In any case, iDave has been on here himself, today, on the closed thread. It's unlikely that he wouldn't have mentioned a resolution had there actually been one.
I promise to post as soon as I get the training plan that I agreed to with him a couple of weeks ago.
Ok. We'll leave it for there for now. 🙂
like the thread this morning....
this will not result in a direct answer from any of the parties, this will not recieved comment from STW towers, this will be pulled and deleted.
in order to add "paying for training plans" to the list of topics that are 'banned' from STW, there will eventually have to be an explanation from somewhere.
Or they are waiting for the latest promises -give it sometime?
Maybe, so there was no need for an unconnected member to open a new thread on the subject or for this thread to be resurrected, was there?
It would appear to be being conducted behind closed doors, which is the correct thing in this case, IMVHO.
oddjob - as i said this morning, im looking forward to that thread and hope someone stickies it for a couple of days so i dont miss it.
Maybe, so there was no need for an unconnected member to open a new thread on the subject or for this thread to be resurrected, was there?
I'm not sure how this directly affects you, yet here you are.
Let's hope that iDave makes good on his latest promise.
It would appear to be being conducted behind closed doors, which is the correct thing in this case, IMVHO.
Would appear to be at odds with
I promise to post as soon as I get the training plan that I agreed to with him a couple of weeks ago.
I'm not sure how this directly affects you, yet here you are.
And you good self, what is your interest?
And you good self, what is your interest?
I think the point here is - you seem to crop up on all the idave threads telling everyone it's not their business, yet seem impervious to your own advice.
where's renton when you need him?
I think the point here is - you seem to crop up on all the idave threads telling everyone it's not their business, yet seem impervious to your own advice.
Do I really? TBH, I get hacked off with any witch hunt STW judge and jury thread. People are too quick to jump to uninformed conclusions on many topics and have the attitude of guilty until proven innocent. That's my POV on most of this type of thread, not just the idave threads. I guess you're happier with the witch hunting and stake burning, each to their own.
where's renton when you need him?
Looking for his map to find his way back here. 😆
And you good self, what is your interest?
I don't have an interest. I am interested. People often comment on things they are interested in - it's how forums work. Did someone not tell you?
People are too quick to jump to uninformed conclusions on many topics
This thread is a month old.
My interest is in the greater good of this community, like it or not we are one.
No iDave hasn't scammed me but others have been.
iDave has apologised on here and promised refunds, yet none appear to have materialised.
People owed money by Dave (like oddjob) seem to be as in the dark as the rest of us.
Don, you pop up on here telling people to mind their own business. Isn't that a bit contradictory of you, as I don't believe its anything to do with you either. Either accept it or get off your high horse.
Don, you pop up on here telling people to mind their own business. Isn't that a bit contradictory of you, as I don't believe its anything to do with you either. Either accept it or get off your high horse.
I tell those who are adding fuel to the fire to mind their own business as they are just shit stirring and add nothing positive, much like yourself. As ransos says eveyone is entitled to an opinion and mine is that you are innocent until proven guilty and that if you are simply a shit stirrer, you should stay away.
How is that a high horse? And how is that going against my own advice? Please read before making silly comments.
Is there any doubt of his 'guilt'? I don't think that's ever been contested by him has it? Guilt in the strictest sense; stuff paid for but not supplied.
I tell those who are adding fuel to the fire to mind their own business
It is their business. Both the supplier and the customers have commented in the public domain so it's perfectly reasonable for others to voice an opinion. You've voiced yours, for example.
The "innocent until proven guilty" thing is a red herring - this isn't a criminal court. The customers have laid out the facts as they see it and some considerable time has passed. People are commenting on the balance of probability.
Your actions are also of the poo agitating variety, just towards those who want answers. You seem to think that you are somehow better than those people, but im not sure why, perhaps because you perceive yourself to be, i don't know, some sort of big hitter?
I think Dave's innocence has long been deflowered given the number of failed promises he made on this thread and to those who have given him money for, so far nothing in return. Im all for giving someone plenty of chances to made good / redeem themselves, but I think its fair to say that ship is rapidly leaving port.
The customers have laid out the facts as they see it and some considerable time has passed.
And this is the main problem in cases like this, we have to make a decision based on what both sides want to publicise and we seldom see all the facts or the true story.
Let's see if we can let this slip off the page and into history. 😉
eveyone is entitled to an opinion and mine is that you are innocent until proven guilty
Is that even in question ??
Seems like that particular question has been answered really.
Why are you SO keen for this to drop Don?
Until iDave comes good this thread should remain to serve as a warning to prospective clients.
Why are you SO keen for this to drop Don?
Because you're boring.
Let's see if we can let this slip off the page and into history.
Tell you what, let's not until we're sure it's been resolved to everyone's satisfaction.
And this is the main problem in cases like this, we have to make a decision based on what both sides want to publicise and we seldom see all the facts or the true story.
Not really. iDave hasn't denied that he hasn't supplied the service he was paid for many weeks ago. Had he done, or provided a refund, then he would have said so on the closed thread. There aren't any other pertinent facts.
Let's see if we can let this slip off the page and into history.
You don't get to decide what people wish to discuss...
I must agree. Sadly until everyone is sorted this should be up as warning/just incase.
Let's see if we can let this slip off the page and into history.
Would you say that if you (or one of your mates) had paid for a training plan, and received nothing but excuses ?
I'm guessing not.
You don't get to decide what people wish to discuss...
It's a good job I didn't say that then, isn't it? 🙄
I'm guessing not.
Yes, you are guessing, aren't you?
don simon - MemberWhy are you SO keen for this to drop Don?
Because you're boring.
Very insightful, seeing as we're being childish, when does your school go back Don?
Why are you SO keen for this to drop Don?
Until iDave comes good this thread should remain to serve as a warning to prospective clients.
+1
Plenty of people come on here asking about Dave's diet/training plan etc. If one of them never saw this thread (because it dropped several pages) and went and bought a training plan from him only to receive nothing, then they too would be most displeased. Sure, they should do due diligence (searching etc), but ATEOTD if they're busy and trust Dave because of his 'previous' reputation, then there's every chance they'll just stump up the cash expectantly.
Punters need to be aware of what's happening.
Refunds have been given, some are still due, some have asked for programs rather than refunds which are being worked on, a couple have not responded to emails.
If I recall correctly realman made no apology and offered no refund.
Very insightful, seeing as we're being childish, when does your school go back Don?
😆
What's the point in dragging it out? I think everyone is aware of the situation and the shit stirrers look a bit sad trying to make an issue.
I've said my piece and I'm leaving this debate. If you disagree with my opinion, deal with it.
It's a good job I didn't say that then, isn't it?
The use of "we" suggests that you would like everyone to stop posting on this topic. If that's not what you meant then say so.
The irony is that you're doing more than anyone to keep the topic alive.
In which case, well done for coming on here to update things.
Which reminds me of something that was posted earlier.
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/paying-for-services-then-not-getting-them-what-to-do/page/7#post-4058205 ]http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/paying-for-services-then-not-getting-them-what-to-do/page/7#post-4058205[/url]
😆
If I recall correctly realman made no apology and offered no refund.
Would you without this thread? Guess its lucky someone started it eh, cos now we'll never know. 🙂
iDaveIf I recall correctly realman made no apology and offered no refund.
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Best not set your professional standards by that of an argumentative teenager eh?
Refunds have been given, some are still due, some have asked for programs rather than refunds which are being worked on, a couple have not responded to emails.
good to hear - thanks for the update, hope all is resolved soon.
If I recall correctly realman made no apology and offered no refund.
correct and his name is mud with many regulars, you too have (had) that choice
It's good to hear at least some people have had refunds at long last.
I would think it's a good pointer to all to make sure they don't pay up front for these sort of things in future
I'm curious as to the 'some'. Why not 'all who elected for refund rather than product'?
[i]I would think it's a good pointer to all to make sure they don't pay [s]up front[/s] for these sort of things in future [/i]
I'm a bit unsure as to the value of having someone telephone you and/or e-mail you a couple of times while you follow a presumably pretty standard training routine sent to you.
Can anyone who has actually done it tell me whether it has made a difference?
Well, folks can buy whatever they want as far as I'm concerned - I'm sure we all buy stuff that's of little or no real use from time to time.
As long as the vendor actual delivers what's been ordered in the time frame agreed and doesn't do a runner with the cash.
If I recall correctly realman made no apology and offered no refund.
but he did send the stuff the person bought though. You are comparing your career as a professional coach with a young adult arguing over a description 😯
I am glad you are resolving the issue and I hope it continues to be resolved, all be it slowly and with not much contrition.
What Junky says.....Realman really shouldn't be the benchmark for either how you go about running a business or how you deal with a dispute over payment of goods/service!
(realman made no apology and offered no refund)and now nobody (with a brain) will trust him,is this how you want us to see you 😯
he did send the stuff the person bought though.
Indeed. Caveat emptor applies, but at least in this case the emptor received the goods they had paid for. The issue there was a description one.
Services were offered and paid for, but not delivered at all, as far as I can see. Regardless of the description, there was nothing delivered.
As others have said, don't set yourself a low standard to work by, it hardly helps.
Anyone who received a refund care to post up?
Or is this info only held by idave?