[Closed] Paying for services then not getting them - what to do?

Whoah, whoah, whoah... I have no agenda when I derail any other thread!

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Good, now ask him where the money is.

Good try! Where's the money?

Good, now ask him where the money is.

[i]I think, I'm not 100% sure, that people received the plan, they just didn't get the levels of support they expected.[/i]

Nope, contact and payment in March, no plan ever delivered.

Plenty of sympathy for the problems encountered, which is one of my reasons for not being an arse and sending loads of grief through twitter or whatever, but that runs pretty thin when you can't get any response via email.

I would quite happily still take a training plan rather than cash, but that requires some kind of communication 🙁

Nope, contact and payment in March, no plan ever delivered.

so, you know it was a holiday and you know he didn't send the plans?

In defence of STW, he's not a very good communicator..

He did also have severe and ongoing email issues, more than just a crashed server.

Which has thankfully not affected his ability to tweet even if it have affected his ability to post on STW .. hardly a credible defence tbh ...we all know he had issues and we all know he has hardly bent over backwards to rectify them

I think, I'm not 100% sure, that people received the plan, they just didn't get the levels of support they expected.
Having seen some of the questions on the idiet threads I imagine the expectation level was quite high.

Does that mean that if you're not carrying a pitchfork, you must be a supporter?

Would you be annoyed to be out of pocket for paying for something you did not get?
Surley this is reasonable

IMHO this is worse than RM as he did at least get the bits the only issues was debate about condition, Idave has deliverd far less. Had RM sent one brake and a calliper you may have a point re comparison

He needs to sort it ..it is clear he has unhappy customers, it is clear he has internet access, it is clear he has not sorted it despite promises to do so and it is clear he is free two days per week to sort it

Of course this scam is failsafe, all those who have been stiffed by him will be too fat to chase him even if he does reappear

I think i can guess

Why would you suggest that those who think dave has been unfair to folk and should remedy it are all carrying pitchforks

He needs to sort it

thank you Junkyard, a voice of reason

I think, I'm not 100% sure, that people received the plan, they just didn't get the levels of support they expected.

Lets be clear, I enquired about a plan, I received almost instant response from iDave, we discussed options, we shared information regarding my profile, here's the good bit, he then chased me for payment stating 'your plan is ready to go', he then chased me again.. I contacted him to say his account details were wrong, he contacted me back within minutes offering correct details...
I paid £250
I asked him to confirm receipt, which he did within minutes.

I waited a few days, and scratched my head.
I chased plan. Nothing.

I chased again, to be told ''Im just finalising details, enjoy your last few days of freedom''

'WTF?' I thought, I was told previously, twice, that the plan was ready.

I chased again around a week later, a week or so after that I was told ''I thought id sent it, itll be sorted tomorrow''

I chased again. Nothing.
Repeat x5 etc.

Over the next 3 MONTHS(!!!) I've managed to get 3 responses from him. One was more than a sentance, and said something along the lines of ''you probably hate me, i'll sort this for you pronto''

Nothing.

Last week I was promised a refund again, 8 days later.. guess what..
Nothing.

I'm giving it 24hrs then the Twitter warfare begins, he's has enough time to prove what a great guy he is.

To clarify, great responder until you hand the money over, then, NOTHING.
no plan, no paperwork (heaven forbid he actual mail you a programme in the post!).
NOTHING.

Agreed, but I wouldn't know whether he's in the middle of that process or not, which is why I refrain from commenting either way.

The middle of the process?

In which case, by your reasoning, I can hope to receive a refund in late October?
Sounds fair.

Sounds fair.

Well, Don Simon, tell me do you think that they way iDave has behaved is reasonable?

So,

Agreed, but I wouldn't know whether he's in the middle of that process or not, which is why I refrain from commenting either way.

So, you [i]didn't[/i] actually mean that?

I struggle to see any humour there. Even if I still had £250 in my pocket, I think I would still look at your comments and think ''strange that he's unwilling to accept skull duggery is afoot in this case''
or something

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Well, Don Simon, tell me do you think that they way iDave has behaved is reasonable?

Why don't you want to share that opinion with us?

Why don't you want to share that opinion with us?

sure, but you've shared your opinion on many other things here, and it is a discussion forum after all.

OK, so boxers or Y fronts? Boxers let you breathe a bit more. IMO.

Why would I? It's none of your business.

what a crock of shit, why even comment at all?! get the heck outta this thread if youre going to be such an arse.

FFS, I'd love to see your opinion if he owed YOU hundreds

How long does the [i]Process[/i] take? It's not rocket science to send money by bank transfer/PayPal/cheque.. The classifieds on here would be screwed if the [i]Process[/i] took ages...
If he can twitter he can refund money, unless he's spent it..bike riding in France for example...

get the heck outta this thread if youre going to be such an arse monkey

and it is a discussion forum after all.

OK, so boxers or Y fronts? Boxers let you breathe a bit more. IMO.

Yeah, but ignoring your creditors and getting your flying monkeys to create interference for you gives you even more breathing space

Arse monkey who gets shirty when they don't like the opinions of others is the biggest arse monkey.

How can he not like your opinion? You haven't told anyone what it is.

edit: oh, and no, actually you are the bigger arse monkey

Yeah, but ignoring your creditors and getting your flying monkeys to [s]create interference[/s] get the thread closed for you gives you even more breathing space

You haven't told anyone what it is

Exactly!

You've come on here and defended the undefendable, with personal half arsed 'he's alright Jack' reasoning.
There are many angry people here clearly owed, and clearly being ignored, yet you bandy your self-righteousness as if they are all wrong and you know something they don't.
If you dont have the perfect excuse then, frankly, Do one.

You haven't told anyone what it is

Agreed, but I wouldn't know whether he's in the middle of that process or not, which is why I refrain from commenting either way.

My opinion is that without the full facts to hand no-one, except those directly connected, can really comment difinitively. Someone like you Sam, who just pops up to stir the crap every now and then definitely shouldn't be here either, should you? but I'm glad you feel so passionate about something you're not directly involved in. 😛

Yeah, but ignoring your creditors and getting your flying monkeys to create interference for you gives you even more breathing space

Flying monkeys and arse monkeys...

This thread has become a kind of dystopian David Attenborough nightmare.

My opinion is that without the full facts to hand no-one, except those directly connected, can really comment difinitively.

So you have the full facts and are able to form an opinion?

Someone like you Sam, who just pops up to stir the crap every now and then definitely shouldn't be here either, should you? but I'm glad you feel so passionate about something you're not directly involved in

Yeah, but ignoring your creditors and getting your flying monkeys to create interference for you gives you even more breathing space

Clearly you know nothing.

No, I do. I've had creditors chasing in the past. I looked after me first. I ignored them, it gave me breathing space. Far from knowing nothing, I know rather more about this kind of situation than I would like.

It wouldn't be STW if we didn't all throw in our opinion without really knowing what's going on...

There's only one person who really knows what's going on in this situation, and he appears to have scarpered to France.

Ignore Don Simon guys, he's a wind-up merchant.

Edit: I'm sure I'm not the only one who's read these threads and raised an eyebrow at the excuses offered to these "customers".

Flying monkeys and arse monkeys...

Thanks for your opinion Don.

Here's another opinion,

Unless he's being held at gun point by a psychopath, and for some strange reason is being physically forced [b]not[/b] to communicate with people he owes substantial amounts of money to, then he's very much in the wrong.

My money, is metaphorically on the latter.
My money, literally, is cycling around France/Geneva/not my house.

My opinion is that without the full facts to hand no-one, except those directly connected, can really comment difinitively.

Surely there are people directly connected on this thread. They've sent money, and have no goods. The person who is too busy to refund is posting on twitter saying he's got free time to do training/marketing/whatever but isn't sorting people out. I don't have any axe to grind with iDave but it's hardly looking like he's doing a good job in providing people a reason to believe him.

1) Without reliable email, how do you know who's emailed you and when, and who received the emails you sent out?

2) I don't know the whole details of what went down, so I am not dropping hints and stuff, but if he did not have access to the money you paid it'd be hard to refund, wouldn't it?

3) He is not actually a con artist - I got a couple of plans from him last year. His organisation wasn't particularly good, needed a bit of time and a couple of prods to get it, but just a couple.

He could of course do more to sort it out, you've given me some ideas of ways to help.

i really don't get why he has apologists here.

Defend the indefensible.

If he hasn't got the money, he needs to provide the service. If he can't because his heads fallen off, he needs to tell people.

Hiding under a rock is a cowards trick. Man up.

Have to step out now as I've been warned off, be careful Molly.

Hiding under a rock is a cowards trick. Man up.

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1) Without reliable email, how do you know who's emailed you and when, and who received the emails you sent out?

If he can twitter, he can email. Whatever technological calamity has befallen him I'm afraid this one is patently bobbins.

Just sayin.

I'm struggling to see why anyone is defending his approach, and as molgrips has suggested, even when he's ok, he's piss poor.

Hope he's having a great time though.

molgrips - I see where you are coming from, but we can all sit here and think of possible reasons as to why he can't pay up, no matter how far fetched they are. The trouble is, those same reasonings would no doubt lead to not being able to leave the country/finance a lifestyle.

Communication, or lack of, is the key here. And if his reasons are 100% genuine, then communication may have saved his reputation.

If he can twitter, he can email. Whatever technological calamity has befallen him I'm afraid this one is patently bobbins.

precisely

...and given that even techno numptys like me can set up email accounts with gmail in 10 seconds, I find the 'email insn't working' excuses to be somewhat disingenous.

Also doesn't explain that even when people DID get hold of him and he promised to pay them back (less than 2 weeks ago), he failed to pay up. I'd been considering contacting him for a winter training plan but I'll go somewhere else.