[Closed] patriotism or racism?

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Can sometimes be a thin line, having been brought up in NI, I CBA with patriotism, I don't really get why folk have to go on about their own country (it does seem the English - and Yorkshiremen vis a vis counties -do this more than other in the UK)

nationality is not the same as race...blah....etc.....blah.....zzzzz

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Wanting to buy British is patriotic. Anybody who thinks otherwise is a sad delusional muppet.

All I can think of is Morris Marinas when I think of British built.

You can only be a non-racist nationalist if you're scottish apparently 😕

I hate patriotism but I could sort of see a point in buying a frame made in the uk over one from another country.

Doesn't even have to be considered patriotic. Why do you need to have a reason? And even if you do have a reason, what business is to for anyone else to concern themselves with?

A patriot loves their country, a nationalist hates everyone else's.

Does that help?

Someone (with a better memory than me) once said something like:

"To be a patriot is to love one's country; to be a nationalist is to hate everyone else's"

No different than wanting to buy an italian car or japanese car etc.

People like to badge and label everything these days and too many people like to get on their soap box and point the finger at other people to make them feel better and all powerful.

I use local suppliers at work as I like to keep the business local where I can, that doesn't mean I have anything against people who live outside 'my area'!!

Oh and I have a british designed and made bike, love it!

Bugger!

Yay! 😉

Someone (with a better memory than me) once said something like:

"To be a patriot is to love one's country; to be a nationalist is to hate everyone else's"

EDIT: ****. Too slow!

I'm anglo-irish, raised in zummerzet, with a scandinavian surname.

What makes me most proud of this 'ere island is our utterly mongrel heritage.

We're on a roll here...

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What makes me most proud of this 'ere island is our utterly mongrel heritage.

+1 to that. Always forgotten by the morons.

if they made bikes id buy one
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FWIW I used to ride a (modern) Truimph motorbike. I loved it and was very proud it was made in the UK.

But I also love Italian cars and bikes and would be equally proud to own one.

Personally, I just think certain countries are better at making certain goods than others. Australian wine, British bikes and beer, French cheese, Cuban rum, Italian cars, clothes and food..... 😉

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What makes me most proud of this 'ere island is our utterly mongrel heritage.

Oh yes. Very true. 🙂

What makes me most proud of this 'ere island is our utterly mongrel heritage.

All the hardest people came here and deposited the contents of their trousers.

LOL! 🙂

Patroitism, the unwavering belief that somewhere is superior in every way simply because you were born there!

CaptainFlashheart - Member

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You called?

Its a fine line IM0 - love of your own country is fine, hatred of everyone else's country is not. I see nothing wrong in "buy british" - I always try to do so but thats from the point of view of "food miles" and so on - buying from close to home is "greener"

But then

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel

I am personally proud that we allowed Polish economic migrants in to the country. WE (Europe) owe a lot to the bravery of the SOE and RAF pilots that died in WWII.

The ability fo our nation to rise above selfish ideals exhibited in other parts of Europe, make me proud.

Proud to support British companies to. Food, Bike bits etc

I am personally proud that we allowed Polish economic migrants in to the country. WE (Europe) owe a lot to the bravery of the SOE and RAF pilots that died in WWII.

The ability fo our nation to rise above selfish ideals exhibited in other parts of Europe, make me proud.

Proud to support British companies to. Food, Bike bits etc

My frame is black.

Where does that leave me?

baked beans are great for cleaning metal parts, chains etc.

Hope Brakes, Hubs
Endura clothing
Exposure Max Lights
On One
Orange
Pace

None of these remind me of Austin Allegros or the Princess or the Maxi, not forgetting the Reliant

OK, you win

We owe the Polish nation nothing.

And Poland owes us a debt of gratitude for declaring war on Germany as a [i]direct[/i] result of Germany's attack on Poland.

We are however, indebted to the millions from the Commonwealth Countries who came to our aid. Including the largest volunteer army in history - the 2 million strong Indian army.

Shame that we appear to have forgotten their contributions, and yet we are so keen to welcome with open arms those to whom we owe nothing.

And Poland owes us a debt of gratitude for declaring war on Germany as a direct result of Germany's attack on Poland.

I think letting the russians have them kind of cancelled that particular debt out.

Oh I see, Britain was in a position to dictate where the Red Army went then ?

The difference between a Patriot and A Racist?

Well, the day Orange bring out a 5 inch travel freeride bike called the "The Racist" is the day the borders become blurred....

Ernie

Respect the facts dude. Poland provided a bunch of pilots and SOE operatives that had a massive impact upon the outcome of the war.

In regards to our debt? Churchill knew he condemned the Polish and East Germans to a Communist future out of fear of the Red Army.

There is a good chance the battle Britain would have been lost without the pilots who came to our aid.

Oh I see, Britain was in a position to dictate where the Red Army went then ?

Are you still smacking the keyboard over my remark [url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-to-build-a-steel-hardtail-in-uk/page/2 ]"oh great. a BNP bike"[/url]? 🙂

Britain repatriated 1000s of Polish servicemen at the request of the Russians,who were subsequently murdered in the Katyn woods.That would seem to imply a debt to me.
Ian

Your nationality and race, and to a large part your religion, are all dependent on who your mum and dad were and where they happen to live. All this patriotism/nationalism is accidental at best.

I'm an Australian by birth place, English by parentage and location and it all means absolutely jeff all...

Just to put apposing slant on things buying from british manufacturing companys (which are usually small) could be viewed as being anti-capitalist. 🙂

FFS buy British!!!

The population of no other country would have such self doubt, I hope its just that those with an opposing interest can be bothered to post.

If you lot really dont see any value in a nation and supporting each other you should exit promptly.

Oh well, so if I buy a non orange Orange I'd be accused of being a communist and a racist?

Poland provided a bunch of pilots .......

And ?

We owe the Polish nation nothing.

They'd probably disagree and say they'd like all their young people back.

And in response to the original question, neither for me thanks very much.

You don't need to be patriotic to understand the benefits of buying British though.

They'd probably disagree......

So you think the Poles were only fighting to defend Britain do you ?

And it was just a [i]coincidence[/i] that the Germans had attacked and invaded their country ?

CaptainFlashheart - Member

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LOL! LOL! LOL!

TJ to the rescue!

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p/s: to the OP ... it's your money so do whatever you like with it. Buy British why not.

read your history, then come back and make a weak argument, OK?

Oh, and I'm not disrespecting the involvement of any part of any nation that saw fit to help out during the last WW. My comment was upon our ability to admit our responsibility to Poland, among others and allow them to help rebuild their nation again. That provides me with a sense of pride.

I don't see how you can say we owed them nothing.

Can you explain that?