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If you pay the £45 to Athena within the first 7 days, they send you a poster of the tennis player scratching her arse.
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As for the ‘Dont be a dick scale’ I don’t see it being a dick at all, so long as a) no Lidl customers were prevented from parking by SR’s wife parking there, and b) SR’s family regularly shop at Lidl, contributing to the costs of the carpark. It’s a completely victimless infringement.
I can kind of see b/ but how do you define regularly and does it matter if you go every week but spend relatively little, or rarely but spend a lot? It's just fair to say if you're shopping today you can use the carpark for a reasonable amount of time.
But a/ How do you know if you've been parked there for 2:24 and away watching rugby training / shopping in town or whatever else people do? I don't see it as victimless at all, if you're taking advantage of people who can follow the rules.
What annoys me is that the extra 24 minutes doesn't cost anyone £45, it's an arbitrary fee. Whether you park there or not makes next to no difference to the cost of running the car park, it's just a made-up fee that gets charged because they can.
It’s a fee to deter people parking there when they shouldn’t.
I don't think it is - it's a fee levied purely for profiteering. OP's a customer, why shouldn't the shop want them to park there?
It’s not the for genuine customers.
From my post on the other page:
One of the defences against a Parking Charge Notice used to be that the charge should be in line with the losses sustained by the land owner (which when parking was free and the costs were an automatic letter plus stamp amounted basically to buttons), but in the landmark case that Beavis brought, the judge agreed that the penalty could be high enough to be a disincentive but not so high to be unconscionable. And £45 seems to be quite reasonable in that respect.
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OP’s a customer, why shouldn’t the shop want them to park there?
They aren't stopping them, you can park for 2 hours for free as long as you're using the shop, which is plenty of time.
It’s not the for genuine customers
Car park company doesn't make that differential.
They aren’t stopping them, you can park for 2 hours for free as long as you’re using the shop, which is plenty of time.
My argument is purely emotive, I know, but the OP is a customer, and them overstaying 24 minutes cost the shop nothing. Unless, of course, the OP stops using the shop, in which case it'll cost the shop a lot.
Unless of course his wife being parked in that space for over 2 hours for a packet perky pigs stopped several customers being able to get their big shop so they went to Aldi instead.
How do you know if you’ve been parked there for 2:24 and away watching rugby training / shopping in town or whatever else people do? I don’t see it as victimless at all, if you’re taking advantage of people who can follow the rules.
Okay; I should qualify that by saying I’ve never been to a Lidl that has a more than half full car park. If spaces are at a premium I probably wouldn’t take the liberty, but if there’s plenty of spaces, I can’t see the harm.
Unless of course his wife being parked in that space for over 2 hours for a packet perky pigs stopped several customers being able to get their big shop so they went to Aldi instead.
As soon as they demonstrate that, the charge is justifiable. I don't think I've ever been unable to find a space in a supermarket carpark.
That’s not how it works.
It’s a fairly common occurrence in a lot of supermarkets for them to get full.
Busy, yes - I've never seen one full. Which doesn't mean it doesn't happen, of course, just not when I've been there.
"How it works" is an arbitrary charge is applied that bears no reflection to the cost of someone parking there*.
* For a handful of supermarkets - most are happy to encourage people to go there.
weekend mornings they're queuing out of the carpark and down the road in the one near me.
Errr! It’s fine not the hourly rate.
an arbitrary charge is applied that bears no reflection to the cost of someone parking there
That's not the point of it - the charge is to dissuade people taking the piss, as per the Parking Eye vs Beavis referenced.
I've nothing more to add, I'm out.
Sc-xc, It was a bloke not a girl in the poster. Look at the shoulders.
I can really assure you that was not the case with the original. Although it has been re-shot several times.
I got done before Christmas for parking in a McDonalds, I work with “yoofs” and meet them there to talk about the future etc
One was late and I was 10 mins over. Not responded yet. I’ll probably pop down now. I do have a receipt on the app to prove I was there thankfully. But all I did was buy coffee for 1h40
Although it has been re-shot several times.
Yup - I’ve shot at my copy more than once.
The land owner not the store owner has the power to issue and rescind fees, the store owner or company that pays the lease charges, just lease the store usually.
Strange thing that so many have had good results by contacting the manager of the stores then.
Have they though,may be possible in some stores car parks but others, swings and roundabouts, you take your chance and see.
All those saying "ignore it" is bad advice. The law changed a few years ago.
Car culture wow. Have you ever thought of walking.
Absolutely. Everyone should totally walk the ten miles to their nearest supermarket and walk home with a weekly shop.
What annoys me is that the extra 24 minutes doesn’t cost anyone £45
Unless the car park is full. Which it possibly would be if there were no enforcement / deterrent at all.
Have they though,may be possible in some stores car parks but others, swings and roundabouts, you take your chance and see.
Well yes they have which is why it is worth asking at the wurst they say they can’t help.
Surely you/she know if you were shopping that day or not.
Awful lot of speculation in the original post.
Which car park will you be parking in. For rugby practice from now on?
What annoys me is that the extra 24 minutes doesn’t cost anyone £45
Unless the car park is full. Which it possibly would be if there were no enforcement / deterrent at all.
Who does it cost?
Who does it cost?
Lidl.
The OP states that it's the only parking nearby, so if someone can't get parked, what do they do?. Go to Aldi across town?.
Lost revenue from customers who couldn’t park there, as mentioned yesterday before you left.
Why do people think it's their God given right to litter sorry leave their car where ever they see fit ?
24 minutes or 4 hours it's irrelevant the fee is such that it deters you..... It would be considered a bargain to pay 60 quid to leave your car sat there for 4 weeks....not so for 24 minutes.
Tbh you'd think twice about abandoning your motor on some streets round here.... Seems to be the thing for strange cars to spontaneously combust on some streets locally.
Do you know if the car park was full? How do you quantify that two hours is ok, but two hours 24 minutes is worth 45 quid? If the car park's full, can people park in walking distance? How much of that £45 do Lidl see?
That’s why the word ‘unless’ was used but it doesn’t matter it’s a fine for overstaying in the car park, a genuine customer can appeal chances are on a losser
How do you quantify that two hours is ok, but two hours 24 minutes is worth 45 quid? If the car park’s full, can people park in walking distance?
I didn’t but the courts did and that’s why it now a legal fine.
Who cares.
Not shopping there shouldn't be parked there.
SR knows this he evidently hasn't proof he was shopping hence he's come looking for approval of folk who think there is no harm.in leaving their tin box at their arse. If he had been shopping and had proof he wouldn't be here asking
The space pollution of cars is on par if not worse than their air pollution.
If the car park’s full, can people park in walking distance?
If there's parking available in walking distance how about using that to park in to watch the rugby instead of the car park provided by Lidl for the use of Lidl's customers?
What tr said, stop living up to the entitled motorists stereotype.
It's the rules, it's on the sign, 2 hours. It's no hard.
a genuine customer can appeal chances are on a losser
Mrs SR is a genuine customer, isn't she?
If there’s parking available in walking distance how about using that to park in to watch the rugby instead of the car park provided by Lidl for the use of Lidl’s customers?
Mrs SR shopped in there, didn't she?
What tr said, stop living up to the entitled motorists stereotype.
It’s the rules, it’s on the sign, 2 hours. It’s no hard.
Nack-all to do with entitled motorists, thanks. The rules, why? That 24 minutes, who does it impact, what does the fine pay for? I don't mind rules for everyone's benefit, but I do object to rules that only exist to put money in someone's pocket.
At no point has he said she shopped there on that day, if he did and I missed it, apologies to him.
2 hours is enough for shopping.
Mrs SR is a genuine customer, isn’t she?
As mentioned before you disappeared yesterday the she can approach the manger to appeal.
Mrs SR shopped in there, didn’t she?
By the sounds of it sometimes, but unclear absolutely if she did that day.
"normally parks in the Lidl car park (the only parking for quite some distance around the rugby pitch). We are regular customers of the shop, and indeed, she inevitably does some shopping while little SR is with his team"
And in any case still doesn't then give you permission to stay as long as you like.
Indeed.
Had lunch in a nice place in town yesterday. Got a 3 hour appointment across road from said eaterie tomorrow, so just gonna park in the restaurant car park. I mean, I paid for lunch yesterday?.
Which I'm sure we'd agree would be a dick move.
and for the umpteenth time,
That 24 minutes, who does it impact
Other people trying to use the car park, and therefore in the end the supermarket if they go elsewhere as a result
what does the fine pay for?
Immaterial, it's a disincentive to prevent p-takers and overstayers, as specifically allowed by the Parking Eye vs Beavis precedent.
If there was no charge.....you'd never get parked there to shop because people are dicks and you'd have all the rugby mums and all the people who are just nipping down the other shops or to the swimming pool etc. Apparently it's the only parked for quite some way.
It'd soon impact legitimate users.
By the sounds of it sometimes, but unclear absolutely if she did that day.
He cleared that up later on but he’s going to pay the fine as unlike Pondo can see why.
He cleared that up later on
I did know that, sorry. So the 'crime' in this case is overstaying rather than absolute pisstaking, but I stand by my comments to others that think eg: that having a loyalty card means that the rules don't apply.
( I just thought - we get our groceries delivered so not only do we spend money on Sainsbury we do it without taking up a space someone else could use! Crikey, we should have a roped off area we can use whenever we want and get one of their vans to taxi us into town afterwards!!)
Yup or those that think it’s Ok because well it’s just a shop’s car park.