[Closed] Parents blazing at the school gates - political correctness gone mad again?

Only if you want the child to develop into a waste of space.

LOL!! You clearly weren't exposed to cannabis in utero with such a fantastically developed mind...
Your capability for logic and reasoning is astonishing 😆

Only if you want the child to develop into a waste of space.

Hmmm. Any evidence for that?

Take Dr Dre for example; smokes weed everyday, and is also a very successful musician and business man.

i agree with Hora , why would any one want to normalise to children the taking of an illegal drug which is almost certainly harmful to developing brains.
"Imaging studies in human adolescents show that regular marijuana users display impaired neural connectivity in specific brain regions involved in a broad range of executive functions like memory, learning, and impulse control compared to non-users.25

The latter findings may help explain the results of a large longitudinal study conducted in New Zealand, which found that frequent and persistent marijuana use starting in adolescence was associated with a loss of an average of 8 IQ points measured in mid-adulthood.26 Significantly, in that study, those who used marijuana heavily as teenagers and quit using as adults did not recover the lost IQ points. Users who only began using marijuana heavily in adulthood did not lose IQ points. These results suggest that marijuana has its strongest long-term impact on young users whose brains are still busy building new connections and maturing in other ways. The endocannabinoid system is known to play an important role in the proper formation of synapses (the connections between neurons) during early brain development, and a similar role has been proposed for the refinement of neural connections during adolescence. If confirmed by future research, this may be one avenue by which marijuana use during adolescence produces its long-term effects.27"

25 Batalla A, Bhattacharyya S, Yu?cel M, et al. Structural and functional imaging studies in chronic cannabis users: a systematic review of adolescent and adult findings. PLoS One. 2013;8:e55821.

26 Meier MH, Caspi A, Ambler A, et al. Persistent cannabis users show neuropsychological decline from childhood to midlife. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA. 2012;109:E2657-2664.

27 Rubino T, Zamberletti E, Parolaro D. Adolescent exposure to cannabis as a risk factor for psychiatric disorders. J Psychopharmacol. 2012;26(1):177-188.

yeah that would be marijuana [i]abuse[/i] in adolescence..

it's not big and it's not clever

Do you have any links to studies around in utero exposure or exposure in infancy? (I know it's not relevant to the topic as such.. just interested)

Hmmm. Any evidence for that?

Take Dr Dre for example; smokes weed everyday, and is also a very successful musician and business man.

I was being kind of facetious, but giving an example of a single person who is successful despite smoking weed, isn't really evidence either.

I've also heard that as a parent, getting stoned with your kids can create another, deeper level to your relationship with them.

Of all the possible things I could think of parents doing outside a school (driving on the pavement, speeding nearby, parking in such a manner as to impede the safe crossing of children), this really wouldn't bother me.

And no, I'll not be doing so myself, and nor would I consider it socially acceptable, (illegal or not is really a moot point as it doesn't give any ethical/moral/safety driven backing to an argument) but I wouldn't actually bother asking someone to stop it/report someone for doing it.

As a teacher I've stepped in at my school many a time for this exact reason.

It's outside a Primary School end of! I'm shocked by some who wouldn't say something or at least warn the school.

I wouldn't be keen, not because of the content of roll-up but just because hanging around the school gates smoking anything is a bit grim.

The report refers to persistent regular and frequent use not abuse, abuse is a value term not indicative of frequency or quantity and may only reflect illegality.
By the power of google i can give you http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/745279_2
for in utero exposure. Its a link i make no claims as to its accuracy.

or not try googling.."Lasting Impacts of Prenatal Cannabis Exposure and the Role of Endogenous Cannabinoids in the Developing Brain: Adverse Effect of Prenatal Exposure to Marijuana"

I'd have a major problem with it and I'd almost certainly call the police.

The school gates are not an appropriate place to be taking drugs.

Modern hybrid skunk weeds are not good for you but that's an adults choice to make. I'm all for legalization but smoking weed in front of kids is a dick move.

After smoking lots of it in my 20's I decided to have some fairly recently, I immediately regretted the decision, jesus, how strong, can't be good for teens.

The report refers to persistent regular and frequent use not abuse

I dunno if I would wholeheartedly trust any teenager indulging regularly in an illegal activity to be doing so safely and responsibly..

Are those kids providing a broad enough sample?

I'm not convinced that you could use those studies to prove anything, unless you'd already decided what you [i]wanted[/i] them to prove

I'm not pro or anti BTW

EDIT: OOh that second link [i]is[/i] interesting, thanks 🙂

I live in a state where cannabis is legal.

I'm pretty sure that if you were smoking it outside a school here you would be incarcerated in almost no time.

In some ways legalizing it makes it easier to enforce common sense laws like not smoking it outside a school full of kids.

I'd have a major problem with it and I'd almost certainly call the police.

Me to.

One of my oldest mates got sectioned just before Christmas after mashing his brains on the stuff.

Sorry to hear that Harry..

Psychosis is grim, I had it as a young adult

On the other hand though, my great grandfather used to beat my great grandmother when he'd been drinking whisky, but I'll not be reacting in an alarmist manner to people who choose to enjoy a few drams of single malt now and again..

That said, I'd raise an eyebrow at someone smoking ganja outside the school

[quote=GrahamS ]I don't think it sets a particularly great example to the kids that are old enough to recognise what it is, but I don't think I'd complain to the school about it.
Unless of course they were driving.

I totally agree - I'd definitely report the older kids if I saw them driving.

Surely it is a police matter.

WhoTF goes to school with a spliff?

I think I would say something but it unlikely a person who has made this choice will respect your interjection or alter their behaviour.

why would any one want to normalise to children the taking of an illegal drug which is almost certainly harmful to developing brains.

FWIW its worth noting that its a minority of users of alcohol and cannabis who go on to have serious health issues with its use/addiction/abuse.
FWWI i used to teach drugs education but it is impossible to explain the reason as to why some stuff is legal and some stuff is illegal. Look at the death rates of tobacco smokers and lok at the amount of violent crime where alcohol was involved - ie the person was pissed or had drunk a fair amount.

The school gate and collecting dropping of your kid is not the place for either IMHO.

If it happend at my school I would be straight onvto the police.

Take Dr Dre for example; smokes weed everyday, and is also a very successful musician and business man.

He doesn't smoke weed,

Well, maybe he should have done then...... 😉

is always the second best musician on his albums, and he was mercilessly fleeced for the first fifteen years of his music career - so hardly a shrewd businessman.

so hardly a shrewd businessman.

He manages to sell thousands of well over priced headphones, so he must be doing something right.

WhoTF goes to school with a spliff?

Maybe the same ones that go to school in the pyjamas? It seems primary schools gates are hot areas of news.

well over priced headphones, so he must be doing something right.

Beats by Dre is owned by Apple. Jimmy Iovine told him to inject his brand into the old company and did the "hard" work.

Not keen on drinking in the street or smoking weed in the street - let alone outside a school. Suggesting it's normal or acceptable is just dumb. Next door but one has lit up on the street a couple of times and I've happily told him and his mate to pack it in.

Jimmy Iovine told him to inject his brand into the old company and did the "hard" work.

Seems pretty shrewd to me. 🙂

I'll not be reacting in an alarmist manner to people who choose to enjoy a few drams of single malt now and again..

Fair enough, but you wouldn't want to see someone chugging away at the school gates.

Surely it's not just about setting examples to school children but also the question as to whether you can look after a child adequately whilst stoned?

If you think smoking weed at the school gates during school times is acceptable you are a dick.

I'm not against adults doing adult things at appropriate times when it doesn't adversely affect others, and I'd take issue with it too.. It's completely inappropriate and there's no excuse for it whatsoever.. You wouldn't sit at the school gates swigging on a bottle of merlot in your pyjamas.. Or maybe some would.. Who knows...

But I'd certainly complain about it to the school.

If adults choose to do something in a safe environment that doesn't harm or affect others.. Fine, but the school gates is about the most inappropriate place to conduct such activities..

Sometimes on my way into work there are people in the corner shop wearing pyjamas buying scratch cards, I kid you not.

This must be a wind up. If someone smokes a spliff at the school gates th n what the fucj is going on behind closed doors. Police definitely.
As someone who grew up during the rave era, surrounded by all sorts, I would never expose the kids to it, let alone let them think it was normal.

Same people that used to take their kids to squat raves maybe? Or more likely those kids have got kids now.

Shouldn't all smoking be banned in the vicinity of school gates anyway?

Fair enough, but you wouldn't want to see someone chugging away at the school gates.

That sentence is all kinds of wrong. We evidently had a different definition for 'chugging' when I was at school...

Nearly made a fool of myself by not reading the OP. Still, from the BBC article...

Deborah Binns, deputy head teacher

Binners?

He's called Susan, not Deborah.

We evidently had a different definition for 'chugging'

I thought "blazing away at the school gates" was some sort of Columbine type thing. Making up new words for naughty behaviour is what kids do.

I've not read the whole thread but yes I'd complain if I had encountered this.

Surely if there is one place we want drug free it would be the school gate?

Where would a school stand if it took no action to prevent drug use around its entrances. I'm fairly sure that would be a failure under its child protection obligations

Deborah Binns, deputy head teacher

Binners?

Was he the first girl at school to get breasts?

Was he the first girl at school to get breasts?

You had to work to try and get him undressed?

It's never suited me

Saxon Rider wants to meet you next week.
When you've fully grown.

.....might be a bit strange though.