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it looks to me to be a "not yet".
I should have put a full stop before this, I meant, a 'not yet' in terms of value for money, not quality of results, though the shutter lag might still be a killer.
Just interested as I would like to try and make a bikey video at some point, and I was wondering how well it would work with the 20mm lens as the autofocus seems to be a bit jumpy in video mode.
Grum - make sure you keep checking for firmware updates. The most recent one improved the autofucsing during video mode.
As for the debate about the GF1 being a DSLR replacement, I don't think that's where Panasonic have been pitching it, leaving that instead to the G1. It's been more that reviewers and users have found it has often replaced a DSLR for photo duties, me included.
Regarding value for money, then yes the GF1 is expensive, but then it is using new technology, which often results in a premium as the developers look to get back their investment. I don't think it's overpriced though.
Whilst I like my D90, what stops me buying a more expensive DSLR is the frustration that the more you spend, the bigger & heavier they become.
heihei - spot on.
It's marketed as DSLR quality. How people then interpret that in use is up to them.
but then it is using new technology
which bits ? It seems to me more like inspired niche exploitation 🙂
what stops me buying a more expensive DSLR is the frustration that the more you spend, the bigger & heavier they become.
[b]YEAH![/b] My Olympus OM2 is only slightly bigger than the GF1 (though more than twice the weight), but has a proper viewfinder and mirror, as well as a film transport. At first I thought the DSLRs were made heavy to make people think they were getting their money's worth, but now I'm convinced the manufacturers are constrained by the demands of the hardware, and would make them smaller if they could. I did try a D60 which was a little gem to hold, but its performance was far too sluggish 🙁
Leica M9.........mmmmmmm
Leica M9.........mmmmmmm
"The suggested retail price of the Leica M9, which shall become available in the next couple of days, is £4,850. "
you could buy 4 [b]proper[/b] cameras for that much 🙂
oooh, temptation:
[url= http://www.dpreview.com/news/1002/10021202pinkgf1.asp ]Panasonic announces Lumix DMC-GF1 in pink[/url]
For anyone interested, it seems that the GF-1 comes now with £50 cashback from Panasonic. so 570 with 20mm from mathers of lancashire.....
update: I've been into the camera shop to play with one, and I want one 🙂 Brilliant! However I shall have to wait for a 2nd hand one as I won't pay more than £300...
What's the benefit of the gf1 over the g1 then? Obviously it's smaller, it doesn't have a viewfinder?
it doesn't have a viewfinder?
it's mainly super cute 🙂 You can buy an EVF for a swingeing £189 which clips on top, but the rear screen is big and very bright and looks gorgeous!
What else is different then, can you change the lenses on both of them
What else is different then, can you change the lenses on both of them
well, I don't know enough about the G1 to comment. Yes you can change the lenses. [url= http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/PanasonicGF1/ ]Read about it here[/url]
sfb - you're no longer a Nikon whore? 😯
sfb - you're no longer a Nikon whore?
I'd like to believe my selection is entirely pragmatic - I happened on Nikon because they were the first with a credible entry level DSLR - however, the Lumix is an unashamed small object of desire 🙂
Well, it's only taken 144 posts - there is hope.
Oddly the new Olympus E-PL1 the cheaper PEN is retailing at more than the PEN over the web. I suspect once price settles the EPL1 should be in kit form for just over the £400 mark. Although, I think I'd want it with a pancake lens.
Incidently sfb - what is your preference - pancake or std zoom?
I caught a glimpse of a review in one of this month's magazines pitching the PEN against the GF1. The PEN came out better.
Incidently sfb - what is your preference - pancake or std zoom?
I'm not sure I could bear the restriction of a prime lens
simonfbarnes - Memberupdate: I've been into the camera shop to play with one, and I want one Brilliant! However I shall have to wait for a 2nd hand one as I won't pay more than £300...
And another one turns to the "New Darkside" 😈
And another one turns to the "New Darkside"
hardly, I haven't changed my opinion about it being overpriced, but it seems I'm far more prone to cute cameras than bikey bling 🙂
Using a prime lens is restrictive, but in some ways that can be a positive, making you think more about composition etc.
The continuation of this thread is .... USELESS WITHOUT PICTURES ....
I was enjoying all the sample GF1 shots 🙂
but in some ways that can be a positive, making you think more about composition etc.
I never think about those things 🙂
USELESS WITHOUT PICTURES ....
only a very naive person would think the photos would tell you anything about the camera
The continuation of this thread is .... USELESS WITHOUT PICTURES ....I was enjoying all the sample GF1 shots
Here's my 365 - Photo a day
http://www.flickr.com/photos/shoei/sets/72157623113006796/
all taken with the GF1
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I have the Lumix DMC-LX3 and it is quite brilliant. The large aperture f2.0 and wide angle lens is a joy in low light conditions.
That said DSLRs offer much more flexibility and a big zoom will help. But I hardly used my film SLR in the end because I tired of carrying its bulk around. I may not be able to get the minority of long distance shots I want with the LX3, but its always in my jacket pocket.
Didn't realise this was still going. 🙂
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SFB - it may not tell me about the camera (to be honest I'm unlikely to replace my 450D as my wife bought it as a wedding present for me and would rather see another breadknife shaped wedding present plunged into my chest than the camera being sold) I just liked some of the pictures that were appearing on the thread 🙂
Cheers by the way guys!
and would rather see another breadknife shaped wedding present plunged into my chest than the camera being sold
my interest is just a sparkly toy camera for carrying around day to day 🙂 Though in fairness I'd probably still lug around the D300 as backup 🙂
my interest is just a sparkly toy camera for carrying around day to day Though in fairness I'd probably still lug around the D300 as backup
🙂 If I could justify that as a replacement for my point and click Ixus it'd be done already - why I'm not the child of a rich property developer I'll never know! I appreciate that you said you'd keep an eye out for a secondhand one too 🙂
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what is it with Lancastrian GF1 owners posting pics ?
Trying to tempt you Simon that's all, secret conspiracy that is all.
Trying to tempt you Simon that's all, secret conspiracy that is all.
well, and you may imagine it's hard for me to say it, but I was more tempted by the thing itself than anything shot with it 🙂
well, it's the photographer and not the camera anyway. and having the camera at hand is half the battle these days.
well, and you may imagine it's hard for me to say it, but I was more tempted by the thing itself than anything shot with it
My brain is twisted like that too really. I wanted to buy it since I saw it without having seen any pictures from it and despite my logic saying "NO NO NO NO" 🙂
well, it's the photographer and not the camera anyway
I understand that that's true to an extent, but my pictures instantly got a lot better when I bought the GF1.
Ok, forgive my ingorance but can you explain why the gf1 is preferable over this
http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/LUMIX+Digital+Cameras/Overview/LUMIX+TZ7+-+Some+things+are+unexpected/2379650/index.html#anker_2379652
simonfbarnes - Memberwhat is it with Lancastrian GF1 owners posting pics ?
Cos we can plus its such a lovely part of the country we want to share it with every one.
Wish now i'd taken a pic of the photo shoot that was going on at the same time in front of the Midland Hotel. Poor lass must have been freezing stood on the beach in a bikini pretending it was the summer.
M6TTF - MemberOk, forgive my ingorance but can you explain why the gf1 is preferable over this
http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/LUMIX+Digital+Cameras/Overview/LUMIX+TZ7+-+Some+things+are+unexpected/2379650/index.html#anker_2379652
Apart from the Image stabilisation, the GF1 does everything the TZ7 will do and you can change lenses, so your not stuck with a fixed zoom.
Isn't the main advantage of the GF1 that it has a much bigger sensor than compacts?
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taken with the gf1 20mm pancake
[url= http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200439185203 ]Panasonic LUMIX GF1 Kit & DMW-LVF1 Live Vew Finder[/url] going soon, already up to £535...
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#2 is stunning 🙂
Isn't the main advantage of the GF1 that it has a much bigger sensor than compacts?
if you read up on the 4thirds system - it's much more than just sensor size.