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Can you not understand? You keep posting as if scooters and mopeds are synonyms. PP clearly referred to a scooter not a moped and you told him he was wrong because you think scooter = moped
I actually give up with you TJ, you are beyond thick.
Hasn't 'moped'just become a generic term for any small scooter/motorbike now? a word like hoover?
for clarification here is a real moped (pedals and a motor!)
Moped surely is a specific classification with regards power/weight ratio and top speed?
Indeed a moped is a classification.
supertramp - MemberHasn't 'moped'just become a generic term for any small scooter/motorbike now?
No = a moped is a distinct classification. some scooters are mopeds, some are not.
Under 50 cc and under 30 mph for a moped
Hasn't 'moped'just become a generic term for any small scooter/motorbike now? a word like hoover?
Exactly
Which is why I said
Do your CBT and a 125 bike instead of a 50cc moped/scooter whtever the **** you want to call it.
They accelerates quicker, stops quicker, have bigger wheels so are a lot more stable, they can go faster so you are not always being overtaken - which is dangerous.
just to stir things up, if we take the original meaning 'pedals and a motor' and think about early scooters (vespa and Lambretta) none of them had pedals (?)
Hasn't 'moped'just become a generic term for any small scooter/motorbike now?
I don't think so. I know the difference between a moped and a scooter and I'm not even slightly into motorbikes.
I knew it was possible for menstrual cycles to syncronise with women sharing a house, but didn't know it was possible over a forum.
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Before I have to.
Cheers.
I don't think so. I know the difference between a moped and a scooter and I'm not even slightly into motorbikes.
A 50cc scooter is a moped, are you TJ's love child?
contradictiuoing yourself now flow? after all you put the definition up
Remember PP and myself actually have the experience of riding, you think your car is faster than a bike FFS.
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A moped is a specific vehicle class of under 50 cc and under 30 mph. a scooter is a type of motorcycle that is a stepthru design. some have big wheels, some small, some are mopeds, some are not
Remember PP and myself actually have the experience of riding
And what the **** is that about, I have had a bike licence for 7 years, 5 of them I was riding a bike everyday because I didn't have a car.
Stop talking shit
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I love it when you talk dirty
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flow - MemberA 50cc scooter is a moped,
No. A 50cc scooter limited to 50kmh/h is a moped.
flow - Member
A 50cc scooter is a moped,No. A 50cc scooter is a moped.
Thanks for clarifying that Northwind.
scooters and mopeds do seem to bring out the worst in some people 🙄
maybe you should get a car 😉
Flow - you clearly know less than eff all about bikes having claimed that your car was faster than a 600 touring bike when it wasn't. You now claim scooters are mopeds when thy are not and also claim all scooters have little wheels - when they do not
You also talk a load of pish about the capabilities of scooters that anyone who actually has any experience knows what you say is wrong.
A small scooter is the best commuter - I'd go for an 80 / 100 myself
fourbanger
always fancied one of them but it does lack the practicality of most scooters
This is what the debate was the first place, not what is or isn't a moped.
I said
Do a CBT for £90 and get a 125cc bike, much safer than a small wheeled moped.
Because the OP is talking about a 50cc
To which PP said
That's mid information at best, poor advice would be a better description.Please tell me
A) how many miles you've done on scooters (I've done a good 20000-30000 at the very least, and probably 150000 on motorbikes)
B) why a 125 bike is any safer based on your knowledgeI get sick of anti scooter bias by people that don't know a thing about them.
My reply
Because generally they accelerates quicker, stops quicker, have bigger wheels so are a lot more stable, they can go faster so you are not always being overtaken - which is dangerous.
TJ - You keep talking mate, no one is listening.
Oh look - a large wheeled scooter that is not a moped 🙂
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edit = yes - and your reply is wrong as has been pointed out
You keep using scooter and moped as synonyms - they are nbot
You are so thick its comical.
My reply would be wrong if the thread wasn't about a 50cc scooter, but it is, dont you get it.
Would anyone care to explain why being able to accelerate faster is safer?
Accelerating out of trouble is virtually impossible in my experience unless you have an extremely powerful car. Braking is much much safer.
Flow - just chill the fk out. If you disagree, state your case nicely. Otherwise f off. Simply dishing out abuse over a small technical point is not nice.
The term moped describes any low-powered motor driven cycle with an engine capacity not greater than 50 cc (3.1 cu in) and a maximum design speed of no more than 50 km/h (31 mph). Machines registered prior to 1 September 1977 as mopeds had to have pedals, but engine power was unrestricted, and many could top 50 mph (80 km/h) (most famously the Yamaha FS1-E or "Fizzy").
A provisional license, full motorcycle or car license is needed to operate a moped. An additional Compulsory Basic Training (CBT) certificate is also required to ride a moped on public roads, except for anyone who obtained their full car driving license before 1 February 2001. A provisional moped license may be obtained at the age of 16, whereas standard car and motorcycles licenses are only available at the age of 17. Provisional licenses require learner plates and expire after two years if the license holder has not passed a test, however it can be extended another two years by retaking the CBT.
From Wiki so it must be true.......
The last small scooters I rode were Vespas and Lambrettas in the period but from the tests in the scooter mags that I have read the 50s only seem to get about 45 mpg (no doubt due to being flat out everywhere with automatic transmission). I've an old C70 Honda and it gets 120 mpg which drops to about 90 on long periods on the open road at what I have been told by followers is 60 mph (don't ask). I would heartily recommend an old Honda stepthrough but the prices seem to be in collectors' item territory now.
hilldodger, you are wasting your breath mate
Flow - just chill the fk out. If you disagree, state your case nicely. Otherwise f off. Simply dishing out abuse over a small technical point is not nice.
Then don't come on here telling me in wrong with your nose between TJ's bum cheeks.
Absolutely correct hilldodger. That is the definition of a moped
flow - oh look - a moped - note the big wheels and its not a scooter - it is however a moped
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Look just admit it - mopeds and scooters are not the same thing, NOt all scooters have small wheels, not all mopeds are scooters, not all scooters are mopeds.
TJ - I'm going to tell you one last time.
Read this again and tell me where you have gone wrong, I have even highlighted it for you.
Do a CBT for £90 and get a 125cc bike, much safer than a [b]small wheeled moped.[/b]
[b]Because the OP is talking about a 50cc scooter[/b]
To which PP said
That's mid information at best, poor advice would be a better description.
Please tell me
A) how many miles you've done on scooters (I've done a good 20000-30000 at the very least, and probably 150000 on motorbikes)
B) why a 125 bike is any safer based on your knowledgeI get sick of anti scooter bias by people that don't know a thing about them.
My reply
Because generally they accelerates quicker, stops quicker, have bigger wheels so are a lot more stable, they can go faster so you are not always being overtaken - which is dangerous.
YOu can rant and shout and stamp your little feet all you want - you are still wrong.
Scooters are not the same as mopeds although ignorant people do use the two words as synonyms.
Not all scooters have small wheels, not all scooters are mopeds, not all mopeds are scooters and what you said about riding scooters is wrong they are not unsafe and unstable nor do they have poor brakes
You're both tee-wats
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My good lady is looking for a...hmm? chooses words carefuly...a bike with an engine. And reading (some) of the information on here it would seem that she should have something with a bit more than 50cc as she does need to go uphills to get to her place of work.
more googling to be done ❓
Bloody hell that was a slanging match!
To the op, do the CBT, it's worthwhile knowing what your doing and may well save you from a few painfull/expensive trips down the road/to the hospital/under a buss.
I'd get a 125 anything, MPG is still 100+, more power, etc etc etc. Scooters make better commuters as even in torrential rain your legs stay dry and out of the wind. Bikes handle better, so if your commute involves B-roads that might be a consideration.
Once again, I'd do a CBT, it's always the ones who 'don't need to be there' who fail/fall off/etc.
white101
Do cbt, get 125cc scoot.
If test not passed in 2 years, redo cbt.
white - small scooter would be ideal for a commuter - insurance can be expensive and so is getting the skills and the kit to be safe
The CBT is a (slightly odd) christmas pressie for her and maybe look at the wheels next year once she has done the test.
TJ the cost of insurance and clothing can be easily offset by the savings I will make in fuel not being a taxi!
Cool - its just don't forget them. Decent set of armoured waterproofs, decent FF helmet, gloves and boots can be several hundred. HeinGerike are good value and have womens stuff
Isn't a moped anything restricted to 30 mph?
It's only 8 miles, swat bicycles are for!
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNewDrivers/RidingMotorcyclesAndMopeds/DG_10016249
Flow was right 🙂 TJ are you being an augmentative thistle ass again?
How was flow right?
Would anyone care to explain why being able to accelerate faster is safer?Accelerating out of trouble is virtually impossible in my experience unless you have an extremely powerful car. Braking is much much safer.
If you agree that it's possible to accelerate out of trouble in an extremely powerful car, you appreciate the benefits of accelerating out of trouble.
Even modest, mid range commuter motorcycles provide supercar levels of acceleration, which can be used to put trouble long behind you rather than leaving you stuck in the middle of it.
The really low powered mopeds cannot manage this, therefore one of the unique abilities of the motorcycle is lost. You are more at the mercy of the traffic around you.
Even modest, mid range commuter motorcycles provide supercar levels of acceleration
This is a thread abotu 125cc vs 50cc scooters!
Anyway, it might be possible to accelerate out of trouble with sufficient power, but I doubt it's advisable. After this supreme burst of speed you might be doing 100mph without necessarily having been able to assess the road ahead... If you don't have the ability to accelerate 'out of danger' then you learn to brake out of it instead, surely?
I'm deeply sceptical that there's any safety advantage of extreme power; I think it's just people trying to justify it.
nmdbases - flow was not right. - go back and read it. Yes I was being argumentative but flow claimed that scooters and mopeds are the same thing, he also said all scooters have samll wheels which is wrong - they are not and made a load of claims about he handling and braking abilities of scooters which are wrong
Molgrips
You obviously have no experience of riding a motorcycle, please shut up and just accept that on a motorcycle there are usually three ways of getting of of trouble:
1 brake
2 swerve (the hardest, as they want to go straight on), and
3 accelerate
And this even applies to mopeds (and also bicycles).
[i]I'm deeply sceptical that there's any safety advantage of extreme power; I think it's just people trying to justify it.[/i]
Who said anything about 'extreme' power? Bikes weigh very little so need little power to accelerate.