Whether remain or leave win, how are you going to build bridges?
Edit: and in the wrong forum too
Well, I had a good spirited discussion with my windowcleaner today, he's minded to vote Leave. We parted with a handshake.
Why should you have to mend bridges? It's a democratic country. People have different opinions to you. Discuss them, you might learn something, or you might impart some new information to the other party, or you might both agree to disagree. Whatever it is what it is, you are both people and equals. Get on with it.
Think that's what I meant by building bridges
The people will speak. If anyone doesn't like what they say; tough titty.
you get to say 'I told you so' and 'don't blame me'
which will make up for it, sort of.
you get to say 'I told you so' and 'don't blame me'
I'm already doing that after the Scottish referendum, I'll have to get it permanently printed on a t-shirt or something to save time.
You can talk/ work/ mix with people with different political beliefs you know. I have to interact with tory scum every day but get on just fine with them.
'half the UK will be unhappy'.
You mean of those voting.
Turnout - what 42%?
So maybe 20% of the population will be on the losing side. Of those, I'd say 60+% of them dont really care. 20% will be slightly miffed, 10% will be annoyed that their views are not what the majority are, and the remaining 10% will be noisy and tell everyone that it is a big mistake and we're all going to die, either from an influx of imports and immigrants, or, the economy will collapse overnight, and we'll be appealing to Somalia for food relief within 6 months.
So maybe around 4% of the population will care.
And the rest of us will carry on as normal.
I'm off to France to ride my bike, please have it all sorted out by the time I get back.
So maybe around 4% of the population will care.
And that, there, is why we're in big trouble.
half the UK will be unhappy'.
You mean of those voting
Some of the loudest moaners will not have bothered voting.
Still at least it's Friday and you can go for a swift 500ml or 4 down the pub
"So maybe around 4% of the population will care."
And that, there, is why we're in big trouble.
I'm not bothered either way with the vote. Both sides are useless in explaining their arguments, but I especially dislike the 'Stay' campaign, as they have not given us good reasons to stay, they have just said "we're going to be destitute if we leave", or at least thats their only argument I've heard.
I cant see us 'being in trouble' however the vote goes, so I'm in the 90+% of the population who thinks whatever happens, nothing much will change.
How do you know it will be "just under half?"
How will the Tory party look?
Surely the split can't heal?
It may well be an excellent opportunity for lots of people to learn the importance of taking their democratic responsibilities seriously.
How will the Tory party look?
Surely the split can't heal?
They go dormant for a while then slowly rebuild their strength. Like Sauron, or Voldemort.
How will the Tory party look?
Surely the split can't heal?
Fingers crossed 😆
Maybe like the SNP after losing their 'Leave' vote?
The loss doesnt seem to have hurt them at all, even though it was their Ace card. The Tories will be the same, however it goes, it'll carry on as normal, if we leave, Cameron will be out, new Leader will come in, and there will be a new impetus to their campaign, so they'll be in Govm, at the next general election.
If Stay wins, the big mouths like Johnson will be kicked to the sidelines, and treated like lepers, they'll still mouth off, but they'll be irrelevant.
It will be just under half because the polls seem to be swinging just either side of 50% each day.
I'm expecting the turnout to be reasonably high on this - more so than a general election.
If we leave will Farage go away or will Johnson give him a job?
It's all been a rather pleasant bonding experience so far
They go dormant for a while then slowly rebuild their strength. Like Sauron, or Voldemort.
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We just need to remember to be excellent to each other.
I'm not bothered either way with the vote. Both sides are useless in explaining their arguments, but I especially dislike the 'Stay' campaign, as they have not given us good reasons to stay, they have just said "we're going to be destitute if we leave", or at least thats their only argument I've heard.
But (and I'm not talking about the arguments here,more about how they can be framed/presented) isn't that almost inevitable, given that we're currently in the EU? So the remain side can't make crazy promises about spending any extra money (which I don't think we'll have) to give everyone a unicorn because we're already in the situation that they want us to stay in. All they can do is point out the losses that they think would be caused by leaving.
It's like if you were a member of sports and social club. They've got football pitches, tennis courts, a cricket pitch and a club bar. You could save your membership fee by no longer being a member. But if someone said "well Dave, you've saved £20 a month, but now you can't go in the bar and you have to pay each time you want to use the sports facilities" you probably wouldn't accuse them of only focusing on the negatives, or use the fact that they've pointed out why you shouldn't leave as a reason [i]to[/i] leave. You've already got the benefits and you're giving them up, all they can say is what you stand to lose.
The people who want you to stay can't make stuff up to get you stay. You won't listen if they say "if you stay as a member then you get to use the club helicopter. Also, the playboy bunnies do naked oil wrestling every Wednesday and Friday night" because you know that the club doesn't have a helicopter and you've been there every Friday night for the last year and haven't seen any playboy bunnies!
But if you're on the side pushing for a 'new' situaion then you can make all kinds of promises. "Join our [b]new [/b]sports club, it's only £10 a month, and it's got oil wrestling three nights a week, with an extra session on a Saturday lunchtime. And the food is Michelin starred. And we'll have a chauffeur to drive you home if you've been drinking. And we'll have a masseuse. And a cinema with free viewings of the latest films. And there's a mountain with an uplift service for trails, you just can't see it yet, but it's there."
YOu are free to ignore the opinion of all the experts* who arevall saying the short to medium term implications of leaving will be poor. Not one international nor independent body supports your view.I cant see us 'being in trouble' however the vote goes, so I'm in the 90+% of the population who thinks whatever happens, nothing much will change.
I dont think it only 10% of a the population who can understand an argument but you might be right.
I 100% guarantee that if we vore leave that when this happens they will blame Europe for the next 5-10 years for all of this.
How many threads do we need on the EU?
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It wouldn't be bad if there were more really. It's rather a big decision to be bundled up into one large rather rambling threadHow many threads do we need on the EU?
How many threads do we need on the EU?
<Geeky EU joke>
We should have two, but move back and forth between them every month.
</geeky EU joke>
Balls, you forgot the "Whites Only" sign on the door of the sports club.
<Geeky EU joke>We should have two, but move back and forth between them every month.
</geeky EU joke>
Good one 🙂
I'm back in-country Friday
I'm assuming the borders won't be closed immediately if it's out.
if we stay in boris will look a failure and loose any chance of being a leader.
if we loose and stay in cameroooon will have to go.
and whatever vote wins a majority of people will be witness to the self destruction of the conservative party
bencooper
bencooper - Member
you get to say 'I told you so' and 'don't blame me'
I'm already doing that after the Scottish referendum, I'll have to get it permanently printed on a t-shirt or something to save time.
Definitely get that t-shirt. If this one goes the wrong way, we will be back to the other one in a couple of years. A mobius loop of referendums. I reckon then for the first time ever I will be in spoiling my vote territory.
STW by Saturday?
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I cant see us 'being in trouble' however the vote goes, so I'm in the 90+% of the population who thinks whatever happens, nothing much will change.
In which case you vote in - why take an unnecessary risk?
<Geeky EU joke>We should have two, but move back and forth between them every month.
</geeky EU joke>
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28 each putting their own point of view
Yup agreed, I could see a Remain vote leaving me with a lot of thinking to do. Campaign on and/or look to a future outside the UK as I forsee a bleak future pre/post Greekmdefault and eurozone implosion
For me the choice is between two very poor options . I will vote but neither side will make me happy or unhappy.
I'm not bothered either way with the vote. Both sides are useless in explaining their arguments, but I especially dislike the 'Stay' campaign, as they have not given us good reasons to stay, they have just said "we're going to be destitute if we leave", or at least thats their only argument I've heard.
It's depressing to see this as nothing more than a popularity contest with a phone vote on the quality and paper feel of the leaflets.
For those of you who think the stay campaign haven't made a good case, watch this: https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/06/16/watch-dishonesty-industrial-scale-eu-law-expert-analyses-referendum-debate/
I'm sure someone who supports the leave campaign will be able to post up a similar video (or perhaps a picture of British Bulldog).
AD thats been posted twice and discussed on the EU thread, also the "rukes" of this thread is leave/remain only or Drac will close it again
Mods - no issues if you delete my post. Only added it as a response to the comments that people hadn't seen any good arguments to stay (or leave for that matter)
I don't live in Scotland at the moment but many family members do and most voted to stay part of the UK. They have all commented that even though the majority (just) voted the same way as them they felt ostracised and 'bullied' during and immediately after the referendum. I'm not convinced Scotland has got over it yet.
I don't think the EU debate will be quite so divisive though mainly because the history of the EU is not as long as that of the UK and the subtle nuances and the change it will make are barely understood by most. Most of us are basing our decision on the opinion of 'experts' we trust at the more educated end of the decision making making process and a 'I don't like foreigners' vs 'package holidays in Spain are ace' thought process and the guttural end of the spectrum. In the Scottish referendum I think most held pretty heart felt beliefs one way or the other.
I am looking forward to watching the conservatives implode with the fallout whichever way it goes though 😈
Whatever the result look after yourself.
Be happy and prepare for the future coz there is nothing much you can do either way.
Rome or no Rome that is the nature of things.
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Do you think that whoever loses will all start walking around wearing badges saying "I am one of the 45%" and demanding another referendum in 12-18 months time?
