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Thread kind of proves that there isn't a killer reason to use one or other any more, its a case of preference. However it isn't a case of deciding using your one main application, you need to look at all of them. If you need to drop into windows for just one side application that might swing you even if it isn't the main one. We have one mac user who can't get one data source as it isn't available on mac and its a real pita for everyone else
Fwiw this thread has sort of convinced me I should get a mac as a secondary machine to look at if I can find one cheap enough. Not changing main machine though as I spend a lot of time with my Ms office apps linked by vba
Yeah because there isn't a weird sort of cult surrounding Windows stuff.
There certainly is... oh, wait, "cult," my mistake.
The argument is boring tbh. Try dragging and dropping media across different platforms or playing Battlefield1 on a mac.. not such a good OS now, is it?
OSX users have no need for your primitive dragging and dropping.
In a desire to add nothing other than anecdote to this thread, I find that my relatively inexpensive 2013ish Dell work laptop on Windows 10 boots from cold [i]minutes[/i] quicker than my 2011(?) iMac running Sierra. My 2015 MacBook boots considerably quicker than the iMac from cold. The summary is don't let anyone tell you Macs don't slow down as they get older. I see more spinning beach balls on my iMac than a Californian beach at sprint break.
Dell XPS, MS Surface Pro etc. better spec and lower priced to name a few.
The Dell XPS 15" in Canada is currently $1000 less than the top end MBP 15". The MBP has the same processor, twice the storage capacity, is smaller, lighter and has an additional (on paper) 4 hours of battery life. To get the same size of SSD it's an extra $300. There's definitely a price difference, but it's not as clear cut as 'better spec and lower price'.
(I'll not look up the Surface Pro as it'll be a similar case, but I remember being blown away with how much the Surface Pros cost, though still not as much as a MBP, the gap is a lot smaller than you think)
Where as like for like here
Same SSD, same Graphics Memory, same RAM, similar chips though can't find the exact apple specs
http://www.apple.com/au/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?afid=p238%257Cs71wG9rXf-dc_mtid_18707vxu38484_pcrid_55471953526_&cid=aos-au-kwgo-pla-mac-product-MLH32&product=MLH42X/A&step=config# about $4200 Australian
http://www.dell.com/au/business/p/xps-15-9550-laptop/pd?oc=z520895au&model_id=xps-15-9550-laptop $3099
Dell is over $1000 less for the same spec, even if you add in 4 years Pro support is about 800 less
Weight of the non touch Dell is 1.78 for 15" 1.83 for the Mac and the Touch Dell with bigger battery is 2.0kg (do you get all your dongles and adaptors for under 170g?)
Surface Pro with i7,16gb RAM, 1TB SSD and full touch/pen is $4200RRP smaller 12.7" screen but weighs 786g and runs for 9hrs apparently.
Does seem a bit more clear cut, there is also a newer higher spec XPS landing shortly that will probably slot in around the same price point. The Mac also tops out at 16gb RAM whereas the Dell can go up to 32gb
[b]Apple[/b]
Spent 15 minutes in the MAC store in Exeter at the weekend, trying to get more information. I was served by 2 people, both of whom put me in a queue to speak to someone else and then stood around doing nothing.
I had to walk away in the end as my family were getting impatient.
[b]Dell[/b]
Tried to find out how to get the Dell with 32gb RAM
Most frustrating phone call ever to Dell, where I was told by a robot to look on the website and hung up on 3 times. When I finally got to speak to someone, he couldn't answer my questions and told me to go to online chat.
The guy on online chat said I had to buy the 16gb machine, then get in touch with technical support who would then sell me the extra 16gb and guide me through how to install it. I couldn't buy both together and he couldn't give me a price for the extra 16gb!
I should point out that the purchase of the machine needs to be simple and made all at once [complicated boring explanation]
[b]Conclusion[/b]
Nobody wants to sell me a high spec machine 😥
I guess I would have got served eventually by Apple, but I have a bugbear about poor customer service. However, I also have a complete lack of trust that Dell can support me and fulfil my requirements from a call centre halfway around the world.
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Just my tuppence worth...
We had a company discount with HP just before Christmas.
I had 400 Francs discount on one of these:
http://store.hp.com/SwitzerlandStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=X9Y12EA&opt=UUZ&sel=NTB
Only been using it a few weeks, but pretty good. Seems nice and quick, boots up in seconds, I'd done some video editing with hitfilm, super quick. Nice speakers too.
Bit pricey I know, but pretty good. Plus nice to be able to flip the screen when just surfing tut internet...although I had to use a stylus....hate finger prints on the screen.
Is this still dragging on? Just order a ****ing Mac! Do it to upset Molls! 😆
The question will be if there is 1 RAM chip in place then it's ordering this one
http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/category.aspx?category_id=8136&c=uk&l=en&s=bsd&cs=ukbsdt1&mfgpid=6109399
£153
Installation will take a couple of mins. Support for a year is collection from the door service an better with the business support packages
I just replaced a 1 year old zbook laptop (quite a powerful cad workstation quadro graphics core i7) with a surface book 4 core i5 , it runs my cad exactly the same as the laptop did , I was torn between the new Mac book pro as you can also uni graphics natively on a Mac now and do cad cam , this was previously money you had to spend on a pc
I still have no idea why 8 go of ram costs 400 quid between two models of surface book or why a bolt on keyboard is 129 quid ,
8 go of ram costs 400 quid between two models of surface book
Blimey they are out Apple-ing Apple 😯
OP what info do you want from Apple ? Sadly a decent portion of Apple store employees (students with a big smile and part time jobs) are just able to help with phones/ipad basics.
I haven't re-read the whole thread but 32gb ram is massive (video editing?) and ram is easy to add to middle/top of the range iMacs.
not the macbook pro as it appears to be limited to 16gb in this iteration
The dell was listing it as an upgrade on the US site
Most frustrating phone call ever to Dell
Good thing about PCs is that there are lots of other manufacturers so if you don't like Dell you can shop elsewhere.
why a bolt on keyboard is 129 quid ,
Top tip - £90 on Amazon, but I agree too expensive. Surfaces aren't cheap. But as I said - if you don't like it, you can buy something else - choice is the big benefit of PC, and also its down-side depending on your viewpoint.
Spent 15 minutes in the MAC store in Exeter at the weekend, trying to get more information.
I imagine you being in a cosmetics store might have been the issue.
Had a bit of a TL:DR with the thread but my 2pen-th is I'm a fanboi. Wanted to replace my aged MacAir 11inch. Cannot justify a new MacAir with the rubbish specs and no way am I am paying 2k+ for a MacBook Pro. This from a man who also has a nice iMac sat on the desk and an iPhone.
Ended up buying two new windows devices for the business (there are only 2 of us) - one XPS 13 and one Inspiron with a few upgrades for less than one MBP pro.
It does mean I won't be able to drink coffee in my favourite shoreditch cafe tho. They have Windows detectors on the door 😉
They have Windows detectors on the door
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Sorry binners - just pushed the button on the top XPS 15, as it is upgrade-able and I will use all the connections/card reader etc.
Let's hope I don't regret it...
Thanks all and sorry to drag this up again!
not the macbook pro as it appears to be limited to 16gb in this iteration
Yup, there's no low power RAM available in 32GB configuration. For mostly people 16GB will be plenty.
[i]Written from a 2016 15" tbMBP [/i] 😆
you would have to hope so, or if it's not avoid a mac 🙂 Simple really, company reduces spec and options and ends up with customers going elsewhere.
Simple really, company reduces spec and options and ends up with customers going elsewhere.
Did they? Pretty standard for macs. There's never been that many options. Probably part of the appeal to some people.