[Closed] obesity, discuss.

[i]I think a lot of people mistake dehydration for hunger too[/i]

Yeap, I'll go with that as another facet from the issue of eating too much.

I find i get really really thirsty after my fifth packet of crisps. Do i need to drink more Irn Bru?

No, you need to drink more beer and smoke more fags, dummy...

[i]I find i get really really thirsty after my fifth packet of crisps. Do i need to drink more Irn Bru?
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Definately. Any iDisciples will be waiting for you at the top of the hill.

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Thank god for that. I've been getting it right all along. Thanks for clearing that up Hels 😀

Surely eliminating, or reducing a food group, will have the inadvertent effect of reducing your overall calorie consumption? Which will then lead to weight loss.

Yeah quite possibly, but the funny thing for me is that eating less carbs (and so probably less food overall) makes me less hungry. There is a test in the book I was basing the diet on and I rated pretty high for what it called 'carb addiction', my gf didn't.

but the funny thing for me is that eating less carbs (and so probably less food overall) makes me less hungry.

have you increased the amount of protein you are eating? it's probably fair to assume you have.

this is most likely responsible for the reduced hunger as protein is better at keeping hunger at bay for longer than carbs.

t is the cornerstone to understanding - you can only get fat if you have an excess of calories in compared to calories out. basic simple fact

Have you got me in your kill file again TJ?

Calories out is a big variable. Many many factors determine calories out, NOT just your exercise level. Didn't you try to lecture me about insulin and blood sugar when we argued about energy drinks?

this is most likely responsible for the reduced hunger

Based on what? Your own guess?

Have you actually done this iDave thing? If you had you might learn a bit about your own body's response to these things.

Have you actually done this iDave thing? If you had you might learn a bit about your own body's response to these things.

Have you actually lost weight though Molgrips?

...or at least any more than conventional dieting?

Molgrips - completely irrelevant how the calories go out - its a basic fact - you can only get fat if you have a calorie surplus. Did i mention exercise - no.

Same amount but MUCH more quickly and easily and with less and faster riding.

Your body responds differently to different foods - this absolutely beyond question.

After all, we already know that some people's bodies just don't store fat even if they eat more calories than they burn up during exercise. Why is this? Why would it be so impossible to manipulate your own body to become more like theirs?

Molgrips - completely irrelevant how the calories go out

Ah okay, well it's still not a very helpful statement then is it? People don't need to know that 'simple' fact, they need to know how to increase calories out, don't they?

Why would it be so impossible to manipulate your own body to become more like theirs?

Heh.

You need to understand the basics before anything else. Much of what you say and claim on this is distinctly unproven theory with no factual backing or decent evidence.

TJ.

Perhaps at this point I should ask you to reconsider your trollesque responses...
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I might correctly expect that you could have anticipated the response you might get when you just rocked up with your contribution of :

[i]" Eat less, do more "[/i]

There is more to this than that, and all you appear to be demonstrating is your lack of open mindedness, to be replaced with a bit of baiting....
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[i]You need to understand the basics before anything else[/i]

Yes, and I'll take my lectures from iDave, until you have proved yourself to be his better in this field.

solo - I am not trolling here. There is a lot of nonsense being talked on here - theory as fact.

It is not just a pointless oversimplification - [b]it is the cornerstone to understanding [/b]- you can only get fat if you have an excess of calories in compared to calories out. basic simple fact.

[b]There are many theories [/b]about what foods encourage weight gain - see http://giveupsugar.com/ for one that seems fairly convincing to me but other reputable sources would focus on fats or carbs.

However regardless of what you eat you can only get fat with a calorie surplus. You can live on pure sugar for a long time but[b] you will not gain weight without a calorie surplus[/b]

The actions of the food industry should be under scrutiny as well - but a lot of that is consumer led. Take two breakfast cereal manufacturers - one adds sugar to their product and sales go up - the other has to follow suit.

There are a lot of [b]hidden calories in what we eat and drink[/b] as well - soft drinks and fruit juice are two of the worst for this. There is no doubt that [b]we have a higher calorie intake than our parents and grandparents[/b]. Reasons for this are complex but far too often people look for complexity where none exists in order to make excuses.

Me - I am maybe 10 kg overweight. I know the answer. Stop drinking real ale and cut out the sweets and fatty snacks. Yes it is that simple.

There is a lot of misunderstanding and confusion on this thread - and a lot of surety were in fact only doubt and theory exists.

[b]Look at the NHS advice on weight loss and healthy eating[/b] - that is the medical consensus as exists now. [b]Look at reputable nutritional theories such as iDaves or the website above and decide how much you think applies.[/b]

TJ.

Sneek calories into the body, underneath the fat production radar, and they will be passed through the body and will not end up as fat.

This is what you are not allowing for.

[i]solo - I am not trolling here[/i]

With statements like :

[i]You need to understand the basics before anything else[/i]

You're certainly not lowering the temperature of the debate, are you.

you can only get fat if you have an excess of calories in compared to calories out

So.... if i do bigger poo's can i eat more pies?

Sneek calories into the body, underneath the fat production radar, and they will be passed through the body and will not end up as fat.

Erm. Whut?

Solo - Member

TJ.

Sneek calories into the body, underneath the fat production radar, and they will be passed through the body and will not end up as fat.

What? What on earth do you mean by that and can you provide any evidence to back it up.

There is no such problem in the fatherland of N.Korean with Dear Leader's vision. 🙄 Except Dear Leader III as he is getting a bit chubby being spoiled.

People in the fatherland is energy efficient because they consume less with their petite body size. Very environmental friendly.

Much of what you say and claim on this is distinctly unproven theory with no factual backing or decent evidence

Who, me?

Is the role of insulin that much of a mystery?

Based on what? Your own guess?

No molgrips, based on the fact that gram for gram protein is better at keeping hunger away for longer.

Have you actually done this iDave thing? If you had you might learn a bit about your own body's response to these things

Was that aimed at me?

today i have eaten,
3 rashes of lean grilled bacon with 2 scrambled eggs.

1 banana, 1 apple

2 slices of granary bread with 1 small can of mackeral

2 malted milk biscuits

and i am obese.

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Solo - Member

TJ.

Sneek calories into the body, underneath the fat production radar, and they will be passed through the body and will not end up as fat.

[b]What? What on earth do you mean by that and can you provide any evidence to back it up. [/b]
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I rest my Case. You have just demonstrated your lack on [i]knowing[/i]

Molgrips has it right, its about insulin response. Something you haven't bothered to look into, have you TJ.
Tut, tut.

Eat stuff that doesn't elicit an insulin response, and see what happens. You could try [b]LOW GI food[/b]
IF, you were open minded that is.

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[i]today i have eaten,
3 rashes of lean grilled bacon with 2 scrambled eggs.

1 banana, 1 apple

2 slices of granary bread with 1 small can of mackeral

2 malted milk biscuits

and i am obese.
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Well done. Have another biscuit.

Was that aimed at me?

Yes but it wasn't meant to be a dig. It's a very interesting experiment if you pay attention to your body and your cravings or otherwise. It's really gobsmacking how much you can continue to eat (and fatty things too like sausages and nuts) and the weight just dissolves. Speaking as someone who had been trying to manage calories for years (with varying degrees of success), including weighing food and keeping diaries.

today i have eaten,
3 rashes of lean grilled bacon with 2 scrambled eggs.

1 banana, 1 apple

2 slices of granary bread with 1 small can of mackeral

2 malted milk biscuits

and i am obese

Lose the fruit, bread and biscuits. Join us...

Solo - how on earth can calories pass thru your body? Where do you think they go? Out in urine sweat or feaces?

Actually I do understand a bit about this - enough to know that there is a lot of rubbish on here and a lot of theory considered as fact. Now please can you post anything to back up the assertion that "Sneek calories into the body, underneath the fat production radar, and they will be passed through the body and will not end up as fat" cos this is something totally new to me that you can excrete calories.

Yes but it wasn't meant to be a dig

Ok, no I haven't tried it specifically as a plan to lose weight. I use parts of it to manage my weight.

For the record I don't dispute the theory behind it, I find it a very interesting subject. Personally though I couldn't cut some-things (like pasta) out of my diet without either suffering from lack of calories or constantly be eating.

molgrips..............i would rather enjoy my food and be obese. 😉

I'm right aren't I? Its all about bigger poo's?! I knew it!!!

And to think that a whole 'diet' industry has conspired to keep this information from us. It's a scandal!!!

its about it binners - a load of big poo's

binners, me and you should have a poo off.
cos i can produce some right old logs............ 😀

We could make it an Olympic event. We could have an earlier pie-eating competition, followed by the log-a-thon

. It's really gobsmacking how much you can continue to eat (and fatty things too like sausages and nuts) and the weight just dissolves.

Work out the calorific amount of what you are eating. You may be pleasantly surprised.

....oh, and the weight can not be 'dissolving' enough for us to ever get an after photo eh? 😉

It's really gobsmacking how much you can continue to eat (and fatty things too like sausages and nuts) and the weight just dissolves

Is the iDave diet similiar to atkins? or totally different?

Is the iDave diet similiar to atkins? or totally different?

It's low gi as opposed to low carb.

OK, interested to know why molgrips says 'lose the bread and fruit' then, as both can be low GI.

Work out the calorific amount of what you are eating. You may be pleasantly surprised.

What make you think I haven't?

TJ.

I have to just laugh at that last post.

It was an analogous statement, refering to insulin response.

If you don't elicit the correct response, then the fat production system of the body will not kick-in.
If you alter what you give your body, then it will use the fat it has stored.

Furthermore, I contributed to this thread with my thoughts on the reward response as activated in the brain and unlike you I am open to suggestions that there is more to excessive weight gain than simply counting calories. Born of both experience and reading.

I'm still waiting for you explain the Ale, sweets, fatty snack and your 10Kg surplus.

If it is as simply as calorie counting along with do more, eat less, then you should be sorted by now and not carrying your surplus 10Kg.

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I'm right aren't I? Its all about bigger poo's?! I knew it!!!

And to think that a whole 'diet' industry has conspired to keep this information from us. It's a scandal!!!

Very funny reading people accounts of using it. It stops fat being absorbed. Sounds fine... but what happens when fat isn't absorbed? Not big poos. It turns into oil. Your ring piece might be a good poop seal but it won't stop oil leaks! 😯

Brown bread is pretty high GI really, and fruit has lots of fructose.

The diet isn't just low GI, it's low insulinaemic. Insulin promotes the storage of fat (unless your muscles are in a depleted energy state, post-ride), and it stops your body burning fat. So reduce insulin production and you'll not only burn more fat but also not be hungry.

It works dramatically.

OK, interested to know why molgrips says 'lose the bread and fruit' then, as both can be low GI.

I could be wrong though. The goalposts seem to get moved from time to time.

stuff like rye bread is quite low GI IIRC

what foods are low insulin then?

binners, no glass pyrex dishes involved tho.......... 😀

[i]fair enough, what foods are low insulin then?
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Stuff that has a low GI.