3:45am - if he looked like a smack head I wouldn’t go near, not worth the risk.
Heard too many horrible stories of how smack heads have come around in A&E to attack the staff. Once upon a time they may have been nice people, but at that point when they need a fix they are nasty horrible people.
OP clearly kept an eye on him from a distance until paramedics arrived.
Few years back I was out the back of my house a gentleman nipped over the fence in to my garden screaming the “f@##ers are going to catch me and kill me”, I suggested he sit down have a cup of tea and a scone, but he declined, (the old chap was a bit rude). Mrs FD came out at that point and just screamed at him get out. He was already by that point trying to scale the wall on the the other side of the house. He left without even saying goodbye. In fairness he looked proper scared (fear in his eyes)
We phoned the Police who just asked were we safe and had he left. When I suggested this guy was in genuine fear for his life, they just said don’t worry it will just be unpaid debt.
Mrs FD said I was confusing fear for his life with fear of not getting his next hit, and the policeman who lived over the road pretty much said the same
I wouldn’t go near someone in the OP’s situation.
Yes there is a real person underneath every situation but the drugs alter state of mind so much that they are not a rational human at that point.
I am amused by this idea that junkies are violent homicidal maniacs. The truth is far from that. I think some folk may be confusing them with folk high on cocaine and alcohol - now they can be violent and nasty and often are but smackheads - it just does not work like that.
squirrelking, that's a lot of what if's.
I count two, so you've got a lot of balls saying that 😁.
Never read the daily mail tjagain.
My points are valid. People I know who've been in jail aren't victims just arseholes and scrotes, my neighbour and his mates just a few I knew and a couple of my cousins, not drug addicts or abused just thieving and violent pricks.
Everytime theres a break in near me and they get caught it's been people from the neighbouring council estates, I think that the same nationwide.
People have different views and opinions, pointless getting nasty with people on forums just because they think differently.
Thinking 'you should all be like me and do what I say' is a bit Kim Jung un.
Everytime theres a break in near me and they get caught it’s been people from the neighbouring council estates
Well it's not going to be nice well off people from the suburbs, is it...
People I know who’ve been in jail aren’t victims just arseholes and scrotes
Arseholes and scrotes can be victims too.
You're right though, some people are just animals, despite being given every opportunity to be something better. They are not the majority of people in the criminal justice system, though.
I worked with very vulnerable kids and kids in the care system for 15 years. The damage that had been done to these kids and the failures inherent in the system made prison almost inevitable for many.
It's easy for us outside of their lives to judge people for what we see as choices, because we have choices. For a lot of these kids, there are no good choices. The problem is, to the average punter, these kids are just arseholes or scrotes.
it just does not work like that.
The fact that people seemingly don't know 'how it works' would rather justify exercising a degree of caution, would it not?
"Sorry for waking you dear, but it's 3:45am and someone appears to be attempting to kick the front door in. Would you pop down and ask him what he's off his tits on, so that I can google stereotypical behavioural characteristics in order to ascertain whether he's likely to murder us to death?"
the very fact that he is passed out on the floor on a cold night would say that! thats the key thing. How can anyone leave someone lying unconscious on the floor outside on a cold night.
am amused by this idea that junkies are violent homicidal maniacs. The truth is far from that
I can assure you Mrs FD has plenty of first hand experience. When a junkie needs a hit they are nasty pieces of work.
the very fact that he is passed out on the floor on a cold night would say that!
Conversely, I'm severely allergic to being stabbed.
Honestly, in this situation I don't know what I'd do. I'd draw the line at wishing him dead but there's too many variables here. What were his intentions when (hypothetically) hammering on my door, was he looking for a nice cup of tea and a sit down or was his goal to get a bit rapey at knifepoint before making off in my car? Is he "passed out," asleep, or faking it in the hope I'll investigate? Maybe I'd have chucked a blanket over him, but I wouldn't be getting anywhere in range of a surprise needle from a suddenly-startled scrote.
So as I said I think on page 2, I'd have followed whatever advice the emergency services had given me. If they took an hour to get a bus to him, they must not have thought he was in immediate danger.
Is he “passed out,” asleep, or faking it in the hope I’ll investigate?
So after ten minutes you thought he was still faking it.
After twenty minutes..
After thirty minutes...
After forty minutes...
Even if it was mid-summer that’s a hellishly patient mugger.
I get that a tiny never of people have had bad experiences, but the notion that someoe passed out is likely to assault you is a nonsense.
And most of them chose the path they took,
Well done, you have won this weeks super tory ****er award.
endomick
And most of them chose the path they took, I’ve no sympathy for someone who says I wonder what heroin is like.
How many "junkies" have you actually had a proper conversations with about why they took heroin in the first place. I've dealt with a lot, and the answer is usually something to the effect of "my life is so shit in the first place I don't care if I die, and if this might take me away from reality for a period it might seem better". Its a spiral from then on. There must be people who just take it for a laugh, or because they believe they are different and won't get hooked or something - but I've never come across one - perhaps they are the lucky ones who move on and so never end up "in the system". You can rationalise it all you want that not everyone who's life is "comparably bad" goes on to become a heroin user but thats a bit like saying not everyone who has depression needs medical treatment, or not everyone who went to Eton goes on to be in the Cabinet. Look at it the other-way round - how bad would your life have to be, or what would have had to happen to you that taking heroin seemed like it would make things better? I've had that conversation with a few people who still insist that they are stronger than that - most of them go home after a shit day/week at work and declare that they really need a pint.
Heard too many horrible stories of how smack heads have come around in A&E to attack the staff. Once upon a time they may have been nice people, but at that point when they need a fix they are nasty horrible people.
In many such cases the unconscious user has been given Naloxone wiping out the benefit of the high - they aren't aggressive because of the drugs - they are aggressive because now they are going to have to go and steal more shit to fund more drugs. Of course, other drugs may have different effects. Politicians have the ability to solve most of this shit if they are just brave enough.
squirrelking, that’s a lot of what if’s.
I count two, so you’ve got a lot of balls saying that 😁
Hmm, so not only are you an unpleasant * but you're also a thick unpleasant *.
Let's count shall we?
What if that door gave way,
One
what if it was your gran,
Two
someone with a weak heart
Three
, a single mum with a baby.
Four
Does your bleeding heart still have sympathy for him and his addiction after he kills
Five
or rapes someone
Six
maybe the drugs aren’t to blame, some people are just twisted individuals anyway. Council estates have plenty people who will terrorise and ruin other people’s lives,
Seven
beat up and rob the vulnerable for fun
Eight
See, easy, and you could do it all with both hands.
I know of a few people who started taking heroin recreationally moving on from cocaine and weed. They had jobs and seemed to function quite normally.its just you don't hear about these people.lots of them smoke it though although some of them didn't.not sure if they've gone downhill since but my guess is that they have just carried on.
Squirrelking, I was perfectly civil with you and technically it was only two what if's, but also a joke, hence the smiley face.
For someone with supposedly high mortality you do a lot of name calling / insult slinging and seem to have control issues as well as no sense of humour. I cant help but wonder if you'd be this bolshy face to face or just big n brave when hiding behind your keyboard.
You are such a contradiction and a phoney,
I'm neither a thick or unpleasant *, I think you fit the bill on that one cos I'm not picking a fight and being aggressive.
Kerley, you forgot to call me a troll as well,
typical judgemental wet blanket response from you though. But I vote labour, beeatch.
See, even my retort is politer and after being called a * as well. Practice what you preach and judge yourself as much as you judge others.
Everybody assuming they know what drugs this guy was on, maybe he was just a violent drunk or insane, the OP's description doesnt sound like he passed out, more like he decided to lie down for a bit, intoxicated people do some mental sh!t. And he did turn out to be fine after all. I doubt the paramedics lost any sleep over him.
I've only had one addict tell me why she started, it was just what her group of friends were doing at the time so she joined in. She caught AIDS sharing syringes and died when her body stopped coping with the tri-therapy.
I shared a front door with the local drug advice and rehab centre for 10 years. My business was on the second floor and they were on the first floor. The door was never kicked in. I was usually the one to open up in the morning and their clients were often there early for their methodone. No problems, even when they were in a state they remained quiet and polite. One came up to nosy around our place one day (we never felt the need to lock the door in the day) and tried to run off with the cash, but Madame was faster than him.
When I found a drunk/drugged bod crashed out on the pavement I checked he was in a safe position and breathing and left him. I checked on him a couple of times and the third time he'd gone. If he had still been there I'd have called the emergency services as it was freezing.
How can anyone leave someone lying unconscious on the floor outside on a cold night.
OP didn't do that though did they. They called the emergency services, which was an absolutely reasonable thing to do in the circumstances.
did he go and check on him - no - therefore he left an unconscious man lying in the cold!
Squirrelking, I was perfectly civil with you and technically it was only two what if’s, but also a joke, hence the smiley face.
For someone with supposedly high mortality you do a lot of name calling / insult slinging and seem to have control issues as well as no sense of humour. I cant help but wonder if you’d be this bolshy face to face or just big n brave when hiding behind your keyboard.
You are such a contradiction and a phoney,
I’m neither a thick or unpleasant ****, I think you fit the bill on that one cos I’m not picking a fight and being aggressive.
You pick an odd place to crack a joke. FWIW telling someone they have a lot of balls for saying something isn't usually something that gets reacted to positively. Wink or not. I have a perfectly fine sense of humour but there is a time and a place and this isn't it.
As for face to face I guess you'll probably never know. Unless you want to organise a double header with Kryten and his nemesis. You are talking utter mince though, it's telling that those who actually have experience of dealing with these folk are the ones contradicting you. Your junkies sound like they leapt straight out A Clockwork Orange/ The Purge.
TL,DR - is the crazy guy still there, unconscious on the lawn?
When I first moved into my current place, had some hoody kicking our front door repeatedly, looked totally dead in the eyes and face. I shit myself and stood behind locked door shouting **** off repeatedly alternated with threats to call the police until he left. He never said a word. Got back in bed after calming down a bit.
I think the discussion falls in to 3 camps, those who deal with addicts who are searching for help, who see very needy vulnerable people, and those who deal with addicts who are nasty aggressive people who will do anything to get their next hit, and then those that think people doing abnormal things is well abnormal, like trying to gain access to you house in the middle of the night.
This bloke wasn’t should “help me” as he banged on the door.
Sex, Drugs & Murder, Life in the Red Light Zone: 13. And The Beat Goes On: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p05hln4n via @bbciplayer
That is a very good series to watch. Has mixtures of all the behaviours in it talked about in this thread.
Squirrel, let me break down the joke for you, you described 2 what if's as "A LOT", you hopefully have 2 balls, hence the joke you have "A LOT" of balls.
The fact that I have to explain a joke to you is embarrassing considering you called me thick.
Theres no need for abuse just because of a difference of opinion, change my mind instead of just calling me a ****,
Anyway, nobody died and nobody knows what was in the guys system, he could just of been a p!sshead. It's not exactly the darkest subject matter out there, lighten up.
Can't say I'd have done anything different to the OP if I were in the same situation. The lack of police response is understandable if there's no on-going threat (and there were no officers in the area readily available), they should have done a drive by at some point to check on the situation though.
Someone high on heroin might be pretty calm/relaxed but there's plenty of other drugs out there or general mental health issues that could cause a violent reaction. Spice for one comes to mind, it's not as though the OP drug-tested the guy. And no I'm not talking from Daily Mail reading 'experience', I've been around a lot of drug users over the years.
I agree the chances of a violent reaction from someone are likely very small and I applaud those who would act and try to help the person but I also wouldn't criticise those who would choose not to.
Well I got the joke endo.
To be fair, wanting to give some nobhead a good hiding for trying to cave your door in in the middle of the night seems pretty normal (for a non coward) to me, if anything just to stop him having a go at another house, I'd feel pretty bad if I did nothing and he went and kicked in old Mrs Kelly's weaker door further down the street.
I shudder to think what greens family would have had to deal with if the door gave out.
It's easy to judge already knowing the outcome with the fella being on the floor and all, but greeny didn't know this when he went after him, and expecting him to check his vitals and get close enough to check he's still breathing, come off it, should he give him mouth to mouth as well, at least he called for an ambulance, probably thinking they'd be 10 or 15 mins.
There's a vid on youtube from Charlie Veitch about crackheads attacking a preacher at Manchester piccadily Gardens and the reluctance of passers-by to give a toss, a truer reflection on society I think. I see hundreds of people just walk past the spice zombies there.
