Forum search & shortcuts

Now and Then - Beat...
 

Now and Then - Beatles

Posts: 7373
Free Member
Topic starter
 
[#13027294]

Listened to this a few times now and I think it's a good full stop to the story. All four Beatles playing, Lennon and McCartney harmonies sounding great, rhythm section solid, and some nice guitar and strings floating around it.

I love it.


 
Posted : 02/11/2023 9:42 pm
jamj1974 and jamj1974 reacted
Posts: 6581
Free Member
 

They've done a decent job but I'd rather listen to their original releases.


 
Posted : 02/11/2023 10:24 pm
Posts: 44916
Full Member
 

I found it unlistenable.  Gave up 1/3 of the way thru


 
Posted : 02/11/2023 10:35 pm
Posts: 7751
Free Member
 

Not for me.


 
Posted : 02/11/2023 10:36 pm
Posts: 8418
Full Member
 

It seems like yesterday I went to Abbey Road to see the exhibition they had on to mark the 20th anniversary of the recording of Love Me Do. Back then that 20 years seemed like forever, it was longer than I'd been alive. That day was in fact my 18th birthday. And now in no time we are 40 years from then and 60 from that recording. I've not really listened to them much for many years but they were a band I listened to a huge amount for a period of my life and I've ordered a copy of it. The first physical music I've bought in years and quite likely the last I'll ever buy. It feels like a nice way to end their story and for me a way to look back and say thanks for everything you brought into my life. ( I don't actually care whether it's any good or not, I may never even play it, it doesn't matter, it's just symbolic for me)
There's a little short on iPlayer about it that's well worth watching for anyone interested.


 
Posted : 02/11/2023 10:39 pm
crossed, kelvin, kelvin and 1 people reacted
Posts: 6176
Full Member
 

Not a patch on the new Stones single with Lady Gaga.


 
Posted : 02/11/2023 10:43 pm
Posts: 12089
Full Member
 

Dull. I've listened to it a couple of times now, and I can't remember the tune. Not a good sign.


 
Posted : 02/11/2023 10:44 pm
Posts: 2335
Free Member
 

Just had a listen and quite liked it.


 
Posted : 02/11/2023 10:45 pm
Posts: 34041
Full Member
 

They’ve done a decent job but I’d rather listen to their original releases.

I’ve got some amazing news! They’re all still available! You don’t have to listen to it, you know, but the fact that an original rough demo of a song by Lennon, that Yoko handed over to the other three members in the hope that they could do something with, and thanks to some extraordinary new technology they’ve been able to isolate Lennon’s vocals so clearly that his vocals can finally be released as a finished song is a truly remarkable achievement.
The Beatles were, predominantly a studio band, along with George Martin, they were heavily involved with any new technology they could get their hands on, and Sgt Pepper is arguably one of the first progressive albums. What Giles Martin, Peter Jackson and the remaining members of the band have managed to do is really just a progression from the 1960’s.
I’ve listened to it several times through high quality IEM’s, and it’s a great track, not their best, but better than many.
It’s worth pointing out that the AI technology used for isolating individual instruments is being used on more Beatles albums, for playback in Dolby Atmos. The ‘Blue Album’ collection is being re-released as a remastered version in a week’s time, with the ‘Red Album’ to follow.


 
Posted : 02/11/2023 10:48 pm
hightensionline, AD, avdave2 and 5 people reacted
Posts: 519
Free Member
 

Every radio station banging on about it for days now. They are tiresome. It's a good use of tec to separate Lennon's voice from the original tape, and a nice way for The Beatles to sign off, posthumously and otherwise. To be honest  they were always a bit 🙄 for me, mainly because I had younger sisters who were daft about them.


 
Posted : 02/11/2023 10:50 pm
Posts: 519
Free Member
 

@tj. Bay City Rollers then??😂


 
Posted : 02/11/2023 10:53 pm
leffeboy and leffeboy reacted
 Drac
Posts: 50663
 

Is it bland and overrated like the rest of their stuff?


 
Posted : 02/11/2023 11:17 pm
tjagain, funkmasterp, benpinnick and 13 people reacted
Posts: 4748
Free Member
 

Just listened to it, I like it. I think it'll be a grower. Strangely I'm struggling to hear Paul in the mix, can obviously hear John's lead vocals, George's slide guitar and Ringo's distinctive thudding drums. The title is the cleverest bit IMO. 


 
Posted : 02/11/2023 11:34 pm
Posts: 4748
Free Member
 

I think people who say the Beatles are overrated will still probably know a dozen of their songs. The only other band I think have as many distinctive songs is Abba. Maybe not a good comparison 😄


 
Posted : 02/11/2023 11:36 pm
 Drac
Posts: 50663
 

I think people who say the Beatles are overrated will still probably know a dozen of their songs

You’d be wrong. 

If you want a comparison then it Oasis. 


 
Posted : 02/11/2023 11:39 pm
Posts: 7723
Full Member
 

Listened to this a few times now and I think it’s a good full stop to the story.

You mean better than the last one ... and the next one?

but the fact that an original rough demo of a song by Lennon, that Yoko handed over to the other three members in the hope that they could do something with, and thanks to some extraordinary new technology they’ve been able to isolate Lennon’s vocals so clearly that his vocals can finally be released as a finished song is a truly remarkable achievement.

Is it really though? I think it's just a good story aimed at making money from nostalgic old people.

And, yes I do like the Beatles. I remember as a teenager making mix tapes from all my parents original LPs - including a virtually untouched Sgt Peppers with intact cutouts in the sleeve.


 
Posted : 02/11/2023 11:44 pm
Posts: 1795
Free Member
 

Like Drac never understood what the fuss was about....


 
Posted : 02/11/2023 11:53 pm
Posts: 31283
Full Member
 

Lovely song, and the strings and guitar solo are as full of loss and longing as the song requires.

But I struggle with the vocal, it does sound recovered, a bit weak, and artificial. Not a great tribute to the man really. I suppose the alternatives were either bin the song, or not use his voice… both worse options.


 
Posted : 02/11/2023 11:57 pm
Posts: 2877
Free Member
 

Is it bland and overrated like the rest of their stuff?

History has already proved you wrong.


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 12:52 am
Posts: 3657
Full Member
 

Is it bland and overrated like the rest of their stuff?

Bit harsh innit? I'm no fan, I defo find it bland but it's art and that's subjective so for others their music is powerful.


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 12:58 am
Posts: 6352
Full Member
 

Is it a bit like the hype around the release of Harper Lee's 'Go set a watchman'. Loads of expectations and then just a bit mehh?


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 1:00 am
thols2 and thols2 reacted
Posts: 3141
Full Member
 

Heard it on the radio and thought this is crap. Didn't know who it was til the presenter said after it had played. I'm no Beatles fan admittedly. Cleverly done I guess but very dull.


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 7:55 am
thols2, GRAEMEJONES, james-rennie and 5 people reacted
Posts: 13554
Free Member
 

They had some fantastic songs and George Harrison’s (the best members) solo output was pretty good. This isn’t one of the fantastic songs, more like a forgotten B side. Interesting use of tech though.


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 8:05 am
thols2 and thols2 reacted
Posts: 12405
Full Member
 

This isn’t one of the fantastic songs, more like a forgotten B side. 

That's a good way to articulate it for me. 

Is it bland and overrated like the rest of their stuff?

I don't agree with this. The variety of their output from the early 4 piece skiffle to the massively produced later stuff like Sgt Pepper can't be described as bland. That's like my sister in law once pronouncing she doesn't like French wine. Too much choice!


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 8:18 am
hightensionline, thols2, fazzini and 7 people reacted
Posts: 35300
Full Member
 

Yeah heard it yesterday, fan of the Beatles generally, but if a song didn't make its way onto an album, there's prob.s a reason for that*. It's OK, but nothing mind blowing - a bit like Free As A Bird, and Real Love. 

* Probably in fact, Harrison calling it "****ing rubbish" at the time...hey ho. 


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 8:27 am
thols2 and thols2 reacted
Posts: 2656
Free Member
 

Beatles had quite a few grey b sides day tripper - we can work it out but then other bands back then had good b sides

The Kinks Sunny Afternoon-I'm not like every body else

The Rolling Stones had a few too

But I've moved on and as much as I like most of the Beatles stuff , do I listen to any of Paul McCartney stuff from the last 45 years I will give it a miss

David Bowie up until his death was writing good stuff 


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 8:39 am
Posts: 12428
Full Member
 

tjagain
Full Member
I found it unlistenable. Gave up 1/3 of the way thru

As much as it pains me to agree with TJ, I couldn't listen to it.

The Beatles had some fantastic songs when you listen to them in the original context, I still remember hearing Hard Day's Night for the first time and being amazed by the energy. Then, much later, songs like Elenor Rigby or Day in the Life, which were amazing in completely different ways. Whether they were overrated or not is irrelevant, they really did turn out a lot of great songs. This isn't one of them.

Also, Oasis had some catchy songs but that's all they were, catchy pop songs, not groundbreaking in the way the Beatles were at their peak.


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 9:05 am
 Drac
Posts: 50663
 

Bit harsh innit? I’m no fan, I defo find it bland but it’s art and that’s subjective so for others their music is powerful<br /><br />

It is powerful for some, yes. But for others and myself they’re massively overrated and bland. <br /><br />

Have they done some good music? Yes, they have. <br /><br /><br />

History has already proved you wrong<br /><br />

History has proven they’re still overrated. 


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 9:16 am
Posts: 44916
Full Member
 

the beatles produced some good songs and a load of tosh.  this is more "maxwells silver hammer" than "a day in the life"

Unfortunately most of the beatles output has not aged well


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 9:25 am
Posts: 6176
Full Member
 

David Bowie up until his death was writing good stuff

People talked up Blackstar a lot but how many people are still listening to it now or even 6 months after its release and his passing.


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 9:34 am
Posts: 8396
Full Member
 

It's fine, but not worth the love , or hate.  Beatles by numbers really, nobody would notice it as side 2 track 3 on an album.  Should have left it on the tape and said done is done. How many other "fragments" will be found after this? Even with bands putting out previously unpublished stuff later, it's fairly obvious why it was unpublished at the time. The bane of Spotify sometimes is listening to a remastered version of an album with bonus tracks shoved in which never should have seen the light of day.


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 9:36 am
thols2 and thols2 reacted
Posts: 12428
Full Member
 

the beatles produced some good songs and a load of tosh.

Same goes for any superstar artist. Bob Dylan had a handful of great songs, quite a few good ones, and hundreds of very average ones. Bruce Springsteen too, his best songs were fantastic but he wrote dozens upon dozen that were quite forgettable. Any successful artist will be the same, we celebrate their peaks, not their troughs.


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 9:49 am
Posts: 35300
Full Member
 

Unfortunately most of the beatles output has not aged well

Is that criticism even relevant? Name a band who're more influential, who's output over such a short time frame has remained more relevant after more than 50 years? - Here we all are discussing a single release of a band that fell apart more than 45 years ago after all. It's a fact that's there's some Beatles tracks on albums that are filler, there are few (if any) writing partnerships that come close to the output of Lennon/McCartney for their impact on pop culture. 


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 9:55 am
thols2, winston, ChrisL and 3 people reacted
Posts: 13349
Free Member
 

It’s worth pointing out that the AI technology used for isolating individual instruments is being used on more Beatles albums, for playback in Dolby Atmos. The ‘Blue Album’ collection is being re-released as a remastered version in a week’s time, with the ‘Red Album’ to follow.

At the risk of being a bit @DezB it's all a bit old and flogging a dead horse. Having just heard it, it's no "Follow the Sun".


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 10:05 am
Posts: 1087
Free Member
 

I was never a Beatles fan...  never disliked them but was never over enthusiastic.....  other than Sargent Peppers which I did rate...  perhaps the right album for that time of my life.

This track.... just very average, a bit meh.


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 10:11 am
Posts: 14917
Full Member
 

Instantly forgettable for me

Sounds like something Macca would churn out now if he was to make a new song. Is he down to his last £100mill and that's why this has been released?

I don't know why 6 music are banging on about it so much. Yeah, history etc, but it's not in line with what they'd normally/ever play and I could be wrong, but do you ever hear any other Beatles stuff on their playlist?


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 10:25 am
Posts: 44916
Full Member
 

Nickc - Bob Marley?  Brought a whole new genre to a worldwide audience, created some classics, highly political  Slightly longer career.  His music does not sound dated now

there are few (if any) writing partnerships that come close to the output of Lennon/McCartney for their impact on pop culture.

Very anglo centric viewpoint.  Fela Kuti and Tony Allen?  Created a whole new genre that was an inspiration for such folk as Talking Heads and revolutionised music across Africa.  Very political as well.

Its all opinion at the end of the day


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 10:28 am
Posts: 338
Free Member
 

The Beatles were overrated!  😂. Sure they were.  They were only together for 7 years and defined an entire genre of music and shaped a generation. There music has aged pretty well for stuff that's 60 odd years old and is pop music.  


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 10:43 am
Posts: 35300
Full Member
 

Its all opinion at the end of the day

Couldn't agree more. There's such a wide variety of music and taste to match, you may as well try to define the best star in the visible universe, and you'd have as much success.


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 10:48 am
tjagain and tjagain reacted
Posts: 9665
Full Member
 

It brought me to tears and I like it, maybe it'll be a grower for others.
What you 'young uns' who think the Beatles are overrated don't understand is: that in the 1960's they were completely and utterly groundbreaking. The music beforehand was often dull and predictable (apart from Elvis). This group came out of the blue and changed everything. Their lyrics, their attitudes, their playing, their vocals, all unbelievably different from anything before. It was a 'wham bam thank you mam' into a different genre of music.

So many musicians are here today because of the Beatles.


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 10:49 am
fazzini, jamj1974, fasthaggis and 5 people reacted
Posts: 7098
Free Member
 

"Thou shalt not put musicians and recording artists on ridiculous pedestals no matter how great they are or were.

The Beatles: Were just a band."


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 10:51 am
funkmasterp, colournoise, nickc and 3 people reacted
Posts: 4201
Free Member
 

Yep, totally agree with Bunnyhop and peter1979.  I was never a big Beatles fan until I started learning the guitar - it was only then I realised how incredible were their songwriting and musical talents and how it revolutionised pop music.


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 10:55 am
jamj1974 and jamj1974 reacted
Posts: 876
Free Member
 

A song can be both good and not to your personal taste.


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 10:56 am
hightensionline, burntembers, fazzini and 9 people reacted
Posts: 44916
Full Member
 

, you may as well try to define the best star in the visible universe

Well thats obviously Vega 🙂

Bunnyhop - I am hardly a "young un"  Again its a very anglo centric view.  The created a synthesis of all the best stuff they had heard.


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 10:56 am
nickc and nickc reacted
Posts: 35300
Full Member
 

Very anglo centric viewpoint.

You could make a very convincing argument that pop-culture's roots is anglo-centric*, despite recent phenomena like K-pop, Manga, Bollywood etc etc. I think now, when we can hear anything from anywhere it's broadly no longer true that it's so dominantly influential though

*as in English-speaking


 
Posted : 03/11/2023 10:59 am
Page 1 / 4