[Closed] Not sure I get this - fining people too poor to have somewhere to sleep

Good luck fining someone with no income or fixed abode

Where will they send the bailiffs and what will they take?
Poor sods, and I mean the one's with willies so small they have to pick on the week and vulnerable to make themselves feel good.

Yeah, thats about as stupid as stupid gets.

[I]Good luck fining someone with no income or fixed abode [/I]

It's not the initial fine that is the problem, but not paying the fine is then a criminal offence.

Same approach has been used for years to 'criminalise' folk, TV licences anyone?

You guys don't get it ...

The Rushcliffe Borough Council has followed the rules as dictated by their computer system.

Computer says ... issue fines.

Then once that is expired the computer will say "eviction".

Finally "arrest" if previous actions do not improve the matter.

If someone is sleeping rough something has gone wrong in their life already, but if they are lucky they may find a path back, that is now being made much less likely by some ****ing prick in authority criminalising their already sad life.

Yeah, but it makes me feel like the sheriff in Rambo.

My wife does a lot of work collecting for charity. She went to a local church last week in quite a well-to-do village. One of the parishioners stated that she doesn't want to help the homeless as "they are usually better off than I am".
The system that rewards that woman with a million pound house and a Porsche whilst punishing those at the very bottom disgusts me.

People disgust me.

If someone is sleeping rough something has gone wrong in their life already, but if they are lucky they may find a path back, that is now being made much less likely by some **** prick in authority criminalising their already sad life.

I volunteer with a homeless charity and was disappointed but not surprised by Rushcliffe council.
Brain dead policy; issue fine - can't pay - increase fine upto £1k max - still can't pay - go to court - then what?
They should look at integrating with the city and county council homeless policies and services instead of acting unilaterally and victimising those who are already holding the shitty end of the stick.
Local councillors influenced by 'wealthy' residents - two groups of incompetents and each with a sense of 'entitlement'.
I wonder if Ken Clarke, the local mp, will be attending the homelessness debate in the commons next thursday?
If anyone reading this is a constituent of his, why not email his office and ask the question.

britain becoming more like NAZI germany each day.......

hmm, so a criminal record and the bailiffs after you if you ever get to the stage of being able to turn your life around,

I can't see the problems here .....

Rushcliffe Borough Council is using powers introduced in 2014, called Public Spaces Protection Orders (PSPOs).
The powers mean councils can ban certain activities if they have had "a detrimental effect on the quality of life of those in the locality".

So could the same bans and fines be levied on odious residents?

But they are so untidy 😉 What business owner wants to be turfing tramps out of their doorways of a morning? What we need is more expensive housing and a poorer hand-to-mouth desperate workforce to exploit, it's the fewchure.

Disclaimer: I in no way endorse the vile repugnant behaviour of your average two faced British ****bag who believes for every problem there is a punishment.

What a great world we live. It seems everyone in society who needs help, now gets a kicking instead.

This together with the guy who wanted to make it treason to not support brexit shows how usless local councils are. The fact that this got past some nut jobs proposal and was passed. Unbelievable levels of idiocity.

What a great world we live. It seems everyone in society who needs help, now gets a kicking instead.

You're forgetting, there's no such thing as society....

britain becoming more like NAZI germany each day.......

You should have paid more attention at school.

britain becoming more like NAZI germany each day.......

In so much as the trains are getting more punctual

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[edit] that was Mussolini. Wrong fascist. Damn.

No one is going to be enforcing these fines, it's just to legitimise harassment that persuades them to leave the nice areas and go somewhere else.

Makes no sense, considering they haven't got any money to start with!

They should fine them with "community service" time instead; Rushcliffe ends up cleaner and tidier and the homeless get given a sense of worth/purpose. Everyone benefits.

Growing up in Nottingham I never heard "bread and lard island". It is a bit like the story says though. If you carry on south to Edwalton, you get to streets where houses were built with gardens much bigger at the front than the back.

Shame, Nottingham used to have an amazing homelessness charity that achieved a very low number of rough sleepers at one point. I think it was 2011 they were handed a 50% funding cut, and probably more since.

They should fine them with "community service" time instead; Rushcliffe ends up cleaner and tidier and the homeless get given a sense of worth/purpose. Everyone benefits.

Csb.."its just to legitimise harassment." Nail head interface!

Brain dead policy; issue fine - can't pay - increase fine upto £1k max - still can't pay - go to court - then what?

Paupers prison I presume. That has to be a cost effective way to get them off the streets.

Well you could get a load of fines and then go to prison as you can't pay - you'll have a room over your head.

Paupers prison I presume. That has to be a cost effective way to get them off the streets.

Idiot on the East Midlands Today FB page: "We should send them back where they came from".

St Anns? the Meadows? Radford?

I did some work with a Christian group many moons ago giving soup and fags to the homeless. The ones we met were all locals with either drink or drug problems, or in one case an old lady who had run away from her violent husband.

The world is turning into a nasty bigoted place. 🙁

So let me get this straight. We spend public money issuing someone who has nothing with a £100 fine that would see them fed for a month (possibly more) and then when they don't pay it we spend more public money to increase it to £1000 and give them a criminal record so their chances of getting back on their feet become even worse and maybe just maybe we issue an arrest warrant (using public money again) and lock them up for a few days to teach them a lesson when they don't pay the fine.

End result we spend a whole heap of cash to give them a night or two in a bed with a couple of hot meals.

If that's the end position why not give them £100 to stay in a low cost B and B and have a meal or two at the local pizza place? Same net effect but only costs us £100.

I am of course being flippant but really how is criminalising people in this situation of any humanitarian, societal or financial benefit.

Better to look for solutions to the problems that put and keep them there.

Words fail me. Some cockwombleness of the highest order going on. Basic version seems to be person sleeps rough because of various reasons, person two (who probably lives with their partner in a four bedroom house) complains. Answer is to fine person with no income or assets. Farcical.

If that's the end position why not give them £100 to stay in a low cost B and B and have a meal or two at the local pizza place? Same net effect but only costs us £100.

That sounds like the "cashback scheme" that they're going to try in Toxteth.....

Lily Allen should sort it out.

"We should send them back where they came from".
St Anns? the Meadows? Radford?

Bloody hell, man, do you not think these people have suffered enough?

I work in central Nottingham, and use the canal towpath to ride in if I commute by bike. Always been an issue of homeless and alcoholics around the towpath, but this last few months there has regularly been people living in tents between the marina and the retail park. It's definitely getting worse as an issue.

As plenty have said, these people need help, not criminalising.

The system that rewards that woman with a million pound house and a Porsche whilst punishing those at the very bottom disgusts me.

Agreed and the people who defend that system have blood on their hands - plain and simple.

Watched this earlier:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0803b8x

Very sad and how on earth did this country get away with treating people in such a demeaning manner. 🙁

Ken Loach's new film "I, Daniel Blake" has already won an award at Cannes. No doubt it will be as hard-hitting as "Cathy Come Home". Will definitely watch.

heh... there's a few on here that orgasm over the situation

Undoubtedly yunki.

...and you know fine well some people on this forum are reading this and going "bloody lefties"

Why are these people not in a hostal ? I assume the council has a few at its disposal

jambalaya - worth watching to find out what the local Council were doing. Some were dependent on the church to give them a roof over their head and a hot meal, however the church was running short of funds and were facing closure. It really is madness.

Why are these people not in a hostal ? I assume the council has a few at its disposal

Hostels were one of the first things to go, cos, you know, we all have to tighten our belts, even those of us whose belts are in fact string.

If the government pursues policies which exacerbate homelessness whilst at the same time cutting services for the homeless, what did you think would be the outcome?

Also, I think the homeless should be encouraged to sleep rough in the more "aspirational" parts of town, so all the Tory voters can see the consequences of their vote.

Also, I think the homeless should be encouraged to sleep rough in the more "aspirational" parts of town, so all the Tory voters can see the consequences of their vote.

+1

@jambalaya; 'living' conditions in some hostel are worse than being on the street; some rough sleepers have severe behavioural problems which would not be tolerated in hostels; hostel provision by councils is extremely limited - charitable organisations are much more active but number of places still woefully short
My forecast - this situation will continue to worsen.
My experience? Long standing volunteer with homeless charity with many contacts in the 'third sector'.
UK is claimed to be 4th/5th richest country by GDP but homelessness/rough sleeping continues to grow; someone please explain that to me.