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So are you saying that this is a tiny little spill that would only be hit if you took an imaginative line?
No. I am saying that not every car would necessarily spin on a spill as not every car would necessarily HIT the spill. Again, without being furnished with facts, the spill could have covered the entire carriageway, conversely it could have been a small spot.
We just don't know, yet you seem intent on accusing someone of something you do not have all the facts for.
As usual.
I know enough.
You think you do, I'll give you that much.
goan they did say another car spun, just read the thread properly for a change. And when you say you have driven a car 1million miles, my driving instructor always sat in the passenger seat and let me do the drving. If you drive the miles, i'm not sure how crap your students are going to be
as i posted in another post we went back to look at the island and there was another car in the bushes backwards and a load of sandy stuff spread around the island indicating a spill.
my father in law also felt his car slide but caught it.
the combination of different tires and diesel caught my wife out!
Shesh all this bickering, I've told you boys a million times to stop argueing. Where's coffeeking when we need him.
The thing that's annoying me most in this whole sorry episode is renton's spelling of 'tyres'.
You lot are forgetting the golden rule
[b][i]Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience every time.[/i][/b]
ianpinder - a car spun, but ended up in a different place. therefore slid from a different place. did it at a diffeent time too. so they cant be linked. most of my work is teaching people to become driving instructors - to do this i play the role of a learner.
Face up to your responsibilities people. Stop trying to shift the blame onto something else.
therefore slid from a different place.
Therefore hit a different part of the same spill?....
Or its exit angle was different?...
Or it was performing a different manoeuvre?...
Or it was accellerating/decelerating/braking differently?...
Or the vehicle was loaded differently?...
Agreed, but public roads are not the place to 'experiment' that's for car parks and industrial estates at night!
Just please, not the one over the back fence from my house. At gone midnight, the sound of fast revving engines, screeching tyres and 'mates laughing hysterically' (to paraphrase another poster) is becoming very tiresome. My daughter's bedroom window backs onto the car park and she's been woken several times (or alternatively we have to keep all the windows closed to partly muffle the sound)
I asked advice on it a few weeks back on here and consensus was that I should call the police. Which i have done, twice now, but as it isn't an emergency they turn up only to find everyone gone again. Presumably they can all hone their skills well enough in the 15 minutes or so and then move back onto the roads to refine them further?
Or maybe they aren't really honing their skills at all, they're just ****ting about in car parks in the dead of night while convincing themselves it's a safety conscious thing to do?
Goan so it looks like you're still a cock then.
So is it a huge spill that covers the whole of the roundabout now? As in one that would make all the other cars spin off too? Oh it cant be - they managed to stay on the road.
Make your mind up.
"to do this i play the role of a learner."
i bet you are a natural.
and a cock.
Hows about giving us a picture of the roundabout from google earth?
Speshpaul - you're a proper charmer you are.
goan , car was in the bushes in the same place my wife spun!
sand and stuff on road in the place my wife spun.
i fail to see how they cant be linked??
you really are a cock aren't you !!
A 'different part' of a spill does not then necessarily make it a 'huge spill' though now does it?
not got google earth on my computer?
Renton - why are you not even prepared to entertain the idea that your wife could be at fault here? And calling someone a cock just because they dont agree with you is pretty damn childish - grow up.
Thanks, a charmer thats quite nice really.
But you still sound like a cock to me.
Renton - how about you tell me where the junction is and i'll look it up and post a picture.
Speshpaul - are you the world belming champion?
why are you not even prepared to entertain the idea that your wife could be at fault here?
Conversely why can you not accept that you may be in the wrong and it may not have been driver error? Or accept you are attempting to give expert opinion on an accident when you are not in full receipt of the details and all the contributory factors?
Because my expert knowledge tells m that accidents dont just happen and cars dont just spin. Driver error rules when it comes to crashes and incidents on the roads. It wasn't mechanical failure therefore it must have been driver failure.
Or accept that he is a cock.
"Because my expert knowledge tells m that accidents dont just happen and cars dont just spin. Driver error rules when it comes to crashes and incidents on the roads. It wasn't mechanical failure therefore it must have been driver failure"
Me Lord, the prosecution rests its case. An Expert by his own admission!
It wasn't mechanical failure therefore it must have been driver failure.
Except it was some kind of vehicular failure in that there was diesel on the road. Am I correct in assuming that you believe the driver is at fault for not anticipating a diesel spill?
Last thread not appearing - BUMP!
got bored reading the bickering but I would like to say that I really hope the petrolheads do their tyre testing well away from me and the ones I love. I'm sure you are nice enough people and think you are safe, but you sound like accidents waiting to happen to me.
Can I say cock too?
Cock!
I once broke a pair of 2 week old SIDs wiping out on a diesel slick..
Leant into the apex, thought "that smells like di..." and then hit the deck.
Bent the steerer, and wounds with diesel in take a long time to scab up.
Goan: Diesel on the road is a mechanical failure. It's a failure of the interface between the tyre and the road.
Can I say cock too?
Cock!
I once broke a pair of 2 week old SIDs wiping out on a diesel slick..
Leant into the apex, thought "that smells like di..." and then hit the deck.
Bent the steerer, and wounds with diesel in take a long time to scab up.
Goan: Diesel on the road is a mechanical failure. It's a failure of the interface between the tyre and the road.
oops. I said that twice.
Jesus H Christ goan, I bet you're a great instructor, people must be so keen to pass their test and get the **** out of your car so they never see you again! I'd put the passenger side of the car into a lamp post to try and shut you up. Get off your high horse, preferably head first onto a hard surface. Ta!
To be fair to Goan, I bet he is actually a really nice guy in the flesh.
It certainly doesn't come across in any of his posts though.
bikewhisperer - Member
Goan: Diesel on the road is a mechanical failure. It's a failure of the interface between the tyre and the road.
But maybe in goan world its not called mechanical grip and he has never had an accident where it has been one of those things or maybe he is just a fan of the good old US and has to blame some one even if they are trying to help a fallen child back up.
njee20 - Member
Jesus H Christ goan, I bet you're a great instructor, people must be so keen to pass their test and get the **** out of your car so they never see you again! I'd put the passenger side of the car into a lamp post to try and shut you up. Get off your high horse, preferably head first onto a hard surface. Ta!
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has to blame some one even if they are trying to help a fallen child back up.
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Renton.......I'm not sure how tyres that feel flexy on the back will feel any better on the front. Am not sure, but the chances are that the weight distribution on a C-Max will be more towards the front, and you will then be asking the tyres to carry more load and also deal with the power from the engine & doing steering duties as well.
Shesh all this bickering, I've told you boys a million times to stop argueing. Where's coffeeking when we need him.
I'm here, though I'm not sure what help I'd be 😆 ! It seems the sensible points have been blown out of proportion and into tiny pieces for arguments sake. At the end of the day we know:
There was D on the road.
The tyres were new, the user new to the feel of them - they didnt feel right.
Other people succumbed to the D, so it's not in their imagination.
D can cause people to spin without excessive ooomph being used.
D can fall in small or large patches, not everyone passing can or will hit smaller patches. Certainly smaller spills can be only 6" wide and in the same line as the tyre motion, meaning if you're not in the 6" lateral window you may not even come into contact with it, but if you are, you could spin out of control.
So ultimately the point is:
It probably had nothing to do with the tyres.
It probably did have something to do with the D.
There's no way of knowing if his wife was driving like an idiot as the diesel spill may or may not have been hit and may or may not have been sufficient to cause a spin, so judgement on this cannot be made.
On a humorous side note, does anyone else think there's an extra S in this campaign that shouldnt be there?
[url= http://www.northants.police.uk/default.aspx?id=7890&db=old&datewant=yes ]Spills kills[/url]
njee20 - i thought about saying that I hope you die a slow and horrible death. But then I remembered I'm not that kind of person.
As for the rest of you muppets come back when you can back up your "i'm a brilliant driver and nothing is ever my fault attitude", until then stay the **** away from here because I quite like being able to return home at night without having been wiped out by someone who was testing the limits of their tyres.
Anyone ever thought that the limits of their tyres may be way beyond the limits of their ability? No - thought not.
As for the rest of you muppets come back when you can back up your "i'm a brilliant driver and nothing is ever my fault attitude
No one's saying that you ignorant moron, people are just suggesting that you don't know all the facts and that there are other things at play.
How do you post all day when you're driving a million miles anyway?!
I never said I hoped you died a slow, painful death. Just wish that you'd be less of a dickhead!
Edit: as for your last point, yes, I said that public roads are no place to be 'testing' your tyres. Whilst I can see the merit of doing such things somewhere secluded I've never felt the need personally.
[i]On a humorous side note, does anyone else think there's an extra S in this campaign that shouldnt be there?[/i]
Spill kills? nah that doesn't make any sense.
On no, now smee will be annoyed he hasn't got the last word.
just been out and checked the load rating on the new tyres....
originals were 91v new ones are 94v
would that make much difference??
car is a 2.0focus cmax tdci
notably higher load rating = stiffer sidewalls. Might make the car feel more responsive with a slightly higher tendency to break away in a snap rather than progressively scrub, but the difference will be small. Small enough for me to suggest it was more than likely to be the D and a lack of awareness of the break-away starting, rather than the tyres just not gripping.
njee20 - have i done something to upset you personally? If I haven't - whats with the abuse?
renton - you still haven't told us where it happened.
coffeeking that goes against me saying they feel flexy then??